I'm an American. A question.

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It's a bold statement these days. I'm not on one side or the other because this is where the trouble began as I remember and I no longer relate to either side. I am afraid for America because we are so divided against ourselves it's pitiful. I wonder if there could/will be a civil war in my country? It's possible because the hatred here is so extreme and no one sees hatred as the problem; they just want to continue to blame the other side until the hatred destroys a nation.

If you're from a different country is anything similar going on there? How do you feel about it?
 

hollydolly said:
As an outsider viewing America...we can see the great possibility for civil war or something akin to that....long overdue... ...and as a Brit looking into my own country, and it's rapidly declining standards, and Increased crime... I see something has got to give.. and before too long
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Yes. I believe you're right about both of our countries and we can't even help each other through this one as England and the U.S. have often done for decades. :(
 

Bold statement. Was more bold travelling through Europe during Vietnam, especially to East Germany, which I did frequently.

Don't get me wrong....it appears we Americans hate each other more now than then but not by too much. It is the willful erosion of facts; alternative ways to view truth that is too popular these days, for which I blame the web which gives anyone equal opportunity to be an "expert." that everyone has the ability to research which of course we do not, being hampered by a low education of many new "researchers."
 
I don't think a civil war will happen because there's no line in the sand dividing us. Sure there's a political divide, but we're all mixed up together, how would you know who to fight? Riots and such I can see happening, but a full out civil war I don't see.
 
When I was in 4th grade Portage Lakes Grade School Ms. Hobbs informed the class that the next American war was will not be fought with bullets but consumed like a caterpillar hosting wasp eggs.
I see small changes in the wind and as the wind is always blowing, the trouble makers will be gone, but not soon enough.
 
Don M. said:
Between Climate Change and Overpopulation, the entire world is headed for a major upheaval....and not too far from now....likely toward the end of this century. Politics will be a secondary concern as the Have's and the Have Not's go against each other.
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I think , that things are moving very fast for the worse.. far faster than in living memory... and whatever happens.. and I feel sure something will happen.. it's gonna be long before the end of the century...
 
It could happen if we were divided along geographical lines. Fortunately, we are not. (Well, we are, sort of, but there's kind of a big space between the east and the west coasts.)

Of course, this is not 1860 any more, and a war would probably not be fought by foot soldiers on the ground. So maybe it is possible. But what would we do? Bomb each other until there are no Americans left?
 
No, I do not see a civil war at all. But, I do see a government insurrection. The corruption within those so-called hallowed walls is revolting. Also, the war against big business has already begun, with the snatch and grab of major commercial businesses in the cities is quite apparent. The CEOs do not seem to grasp the meaning of this occurrence on a daily basis. Lower the prices, make investments easier to obtain, and raise the interest rates on all types of savings. Also, lower the tuition costs for all institutions of learning.

In addition, get rid of this no bail silliness and do make felons pay the full penalty when they are convicted and sent to prison. There is so much more, but I almost think the billionaires want to see this nation, as it stands now, to collapse. Then they can rebuild it their way. Not good.
 
I fear my fellow Americans less than my leaders, and I don't see anything surprising in that. Think about transfers of power in dictatorships and banana republics. It happens at the leadership level. Citizens do get involved, because the leadership stirs them up, makes promises, offers favors, and lies. In real democracy, the power lies with citizens. In republics, less so, but the power hungry float to the top. America is not about to end, but democracy is in serious trouble.
 
When we were in grade school, we were taught that communism was the enemy to be feared. We were taught that the way that the communists will take control in a country or to overturn it is to use the lower classes, those who felt most disenfranchised from society, to destabilize the society through lawlessness.

It was a Catholic school and we were told that the first thing communism will do is destroy religion and make it illegal.

When I saw the rioting and toppling of statues I said well, that day has come.

It has become commonplace to make jokes about the institutions that this country was founded on. It's commonplace to belittle our leaders and our government and our religions for being imperfect. All things are imperfect.

But as long as the US is divided against itself, it is no longer the threat to communist countries that it once was.

That's the goal and you're seeing it played out.
 
Pepper said:
If you're speaking of statues of treasonous southern slave holders from the civil war era that were erected as threats to freed black people I can't agree with you.
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Agree with me about what? That the thinking that leads to civil war has been firmly indoctrinated in our citizens?

I think you've just proven that point.
 
OldFeller said:
Agree with me about what? That the thinking that leads to civil war has been firmly indoctrinated in our citizens?

I think you've just proven that point.
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Now I don't know what you're talking about. Is that a YES? Those are the statues to which you are referring? Or NO, other statues?
 
Pepper said:
Now I don't know what you're talking about. Is that a YES? Those are the statues to which you are referring? Or NO, other statues?
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I was pointing out that outward civil unrest is a signal that the plan taught to us in the 1960s is becoming a reality. Many statues throughout the country were toppled. Symbolically it's telling our young people that everything that came before is not in your best interest.

It's divisive. All that matters is that America become a country divided against itself with no other recourse but to embrace a philosophy of "nothing we do is good enough".

We're disorganized now and any ideas that worked before to hold society together have been demonized for being imperfect in some way.
 
There may be a civil war but not like in the old days. It will be more sinister. While I was trying to think of another word to use with sinister, I looked up sneaky and stealth. Though not the word I was trying to think of, this is the example the thesaurus gave for stealth:
What they could not accomplish by violence and chicanery, they would have to accomplish by stealth.

I believe certain factions in this country, such as White Supremacists, are seeking to wage war against Blacks, Jews, gays and anybody else they have issues with. Some attacks have been brazen, however and these attacks are on the rise. The internet has increased their ability to recruit like minded people.
 
OldFeller said:
Symbolically it's telling our young people that everything that came before is not in your best interest.
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There were some things that came before which were not in our best interest. Slavery and those who held them in such high esteem they incurred a traitorous war to "keep" them. I could think of a few other things, not many though...

But then Catholic schools aren't heralded for critical thinking, are they?
 

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