Immigrant caravan

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As some of you may be aware, I live in San Ysidro, CA. Right on the Mexican/U.S. border and I see and hear things that others may not know about..

There has been a large, 1,000 plus, caravan of Central Americans, traveling north through Mexico on their way to the U.S.
Most of them have now arrived in Tijuana. Their main goal is to convince the American authorities that they are "in danger" in their home countries, and thus seek refugee status.

Homeland security/I.C.E./border patrol is on high alert. small groups (8-12) have been picked up on the U.S. side of the border. Those who are 1st time detainees are charged with a misdemeanor and quickly deported back to Mexico. Those who have been previously arrested for illegally entering the U.S. are charged with a felony and held until trial.

There are several interesting aspects to this, and other such groups. First is that the Mexican government makes no attempt to hinder their northward movement and often distributes maps etc. The Mexican government is fully aware that these people are in Mexico illegally. You might say the Mexican government wants to shove them along in order to avoid dealing with them. And to also pass on their problems to the U.S.

Secondly, there are numerous Hispanic pro-immigrant groups who assist those who want to enter America. Hispanic lawyers from the U.S., shuttle back and forth across the border and give lectures on how to cheat our system. Those lawyers, even as I write this, are teaching the immigrants what to say to the U.S. authorities. They teach them that is will do no good to claim poverty, but instead teach them how to claim that they are "in danger" and thus claim asylum. Asylum, in case you do not know it, gives immediate legal entry into the U.S.

There is literally no limit on how many people want to live in America where they will be given welfare assistance, such as food stamps and housing allowances. We are NOT talking about a few hundred people. We are talking about tens of millions of people actively, legally and illegally, trying to get into the U.S.
 

The present day U.S. is a nation of "immigrants". I'm sure the Native American Indians never realized what the future held for them when they welcomed the ships arriving from Europe in the 15th and 16th centuries, but a similar "transition" is beginning today...especially in our SouthWestern States. Already, in California, Hispanics are the largest ethnic group, and that number is growing. Anyone who is concerned about this change in demographics in our SW states should do some research on the Latino movements called "La Raza", "MEChA", and the area they call "Aztlan"....that plan appears to be moving forward nicely.

There have been some suggestions that California (increasingly known as Mexifornia) should become a separate nation....and that movement way well come to pass, along with Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html
 
The present day U.S. is a nation of "immigrants". I'm sure the Native American Indians never realized what the future held for them when they welcomed the ships arriving from Europe in the 15th and 16th centuries, but a similar "transition" is beginning today...especially in our SouthWestern States. Already, in California, Hispanics are the largest ethnic group, and that number is growing. Anyone who is concerned about this change in demographics in our SW states should do some research on the Latino movements called "La Raza", "MEChA", and the area they call "Aztlan"....that plan appears to be moving forward nicely.

There have been some suggestions that California (increasingly known as Mexifornia) should become a separate nation....and that movement way well come to pass, along with Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html


Interesting article. They sound like the lunatic fringe to me. That article gives credibility what I have been saying all along. Many Hispanics haven't the slightest intention of becoming Americans. The article would also explain why, during demonstrations, the Mexican flag is carried by so many.

It does not surprise me one bit that Hispanics, communists, socialists (and fellow travelers) and other America haters are in bed together. Proof of that is demonstrated in the many so-called sanctuary cities in California.

If those folks think that they can take any portion of the U.S., then they are going to have a real shock.

As to any discussion of being a nation of immigrants, that is certainly true. However, all of those people from around the world who came to America wanted to be American citizens because they realized that America offered an opportunity to: live free, get excellent schooling, be gainfully employed, and own a decent home, among many other advantages. America welcomed those people and most of them are now part and parcel of America.

As one example of hundreds, the Irish had a rough go of it for a few years BUT in the end, an Irish American, J.F.K., became President Of The United States.

Any group that does not play buy the rule of law, will be severely dealt with.
 

Any group that does not play buy the rule of law, will be severely dealt with.
Are you sure about that? Our laws in this country are a mess. Case in point is what you said in your opening post:

Traveler said:
Hispanic lawyers from the U.S., shuttle back and forth across the border and give lectures on how to cheat our system. Those lawyers are teaching the immigrants what to say...that it will do no good to claim poverty, but instead teach them how to claim that they are "in danger" and thus claim asylum. Asylum, in case you do not know, gives immediate legal entry into the U.S...they will be given welfare assistance, such as food stamps and housing allowances. We are NOT talking about a few hundred people. We are talking about tens of millions of people actively, legally and illegally, trying to get into the U.S.

Also, California's politicians in northern CA are not playing by the rule of law. Sanctuary cities for one. Protecting immigrants from ICE (immigration customs enforcement) as they ignore their warnings and threats to withhold government funds for another.
 
It's nigh unto impossible to stem the tide of those seeking freedom

History has proven that

Coloring it another way is nothing but fallacy, conjecture

'tens of millions'......nada
 
The last few phone calls that my wife has had with a girlfriend who lives in Anaheim, California, the girlfriend has complained about all the Mexicans that have moved into her area. She told her that, if she doesn't get home early enough from somewhere, it's extremely hard for her to find a parking space.

When wife and I lived in Southern California, we knew there were many Mexican's living and working there, but it didn't bother us. Heck, I learned the Spanish I know from working around these Mexican's at manufacturing companies.

Actually, years ago, it wasn't the Mexican immigration that was the problem, it was the Vietnamese immigration that was. I worked for one company where the Vice President put out a memo telling people (not actually designating Vietnamese) to stop using his microwave by his office. All of the employee's knew that he was talking about the Vietnamese, because the area smelled heavily of their fish and rice lunches. A few would use his microwave, outside of his office, because the microwaves in the Break Room were all being used. I also heard more than one American employee complain about the Vietnamese speaking their language at work.

If, by chance, one of these caravan Mexican's does do a crime, like murder, just what will the U.S. do? I mean, U.S. Authorities let that person into the U.S..
 
United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 01 - "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."

Article 14 - "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

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United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 01 - "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."

Article 14 - "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

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Yes indeed! :torch:

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United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 01 - "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."

Article 14 - "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations."

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

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Well, like some on here, don’t totally agree.

How does your reply go along with an illegal committing murder in the U.S.? Or, is that something that all American’s should just ignore?

Many feel that to many things, like crime, has happened here to go along completely with those Rights and Freedoms.

They want to escape the criminal element of their country, like the MS13 gangs, well, hate to break the news to them, but we have MS13 gangs here in the U.S. and other crime just like in their countries!
 
Can’t you close the blinds or curtains? :shrug:

I was never very good at sticking my head in the sand and ignoring reality.

It's nigh unto impossible to stem the tide of those seeking freedom

History has proven that

Coloring it another way is nothing but fallacy, conjecture

'tens of millions'......nada

There are ALREADY an estimated 10,000,000 illegals in the U.S. ! Fallacy ? Conjecture ? No ! Reality !
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United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 01 - "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."

Article 14 - "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

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Nice sounding words, Aunt Bea. Are you actually suggesting that the U.S. accept EVERYONE ? Tear down the wall and post signs, Come One, Come All ?




Well, like some on here, don’t totally agree.

How does your reply go along with an illegal committing murder in the U.S.? Or, is that something that all American’s should just ignore?

Many feel that to many things, like crime, has happened here to go along completely with those Rights and Freedoms.

They want to escape the criminal element of their country, like the MS13 gangs, well, hate to break the news to them, but we have MS13 gangs here in the U.S. and other crime just like in their countries!


Exactly correct !
Home invasions, by groups of young Hispanic males, are happening more and more frequently, to say nothing about the flood of meth, heroin, and cocaine. The United States has never had to face to kind of danger like what is coming from the south. The organized criminal gangs of the 1920's was kiddie stuff compared to what is happening today.
 
I was never very good at sticking my head in the sand and ignoring reality.



There are ALREADY an estimated 10,000,000 illegals in the U.S. ! Fallacy ? Conjecture ? No ! Reality !
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United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 01 - "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."

Article 14 - "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

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Nice sounding words, Aunt Bea. Are you actually suggesting that the U.S. accept EVERYONE ? Tear down the wall and post signs, Come One, Come All ?







Exactly correct !
Home invasions, by groups of young Hispanic males, are happening more and more frequently, to say nothing about the flood of meth, heroin, and cocaine. The United States has never had to face to kind of danger like what is coming from the south. The organized criminal gangs of the 1920's was kiddie stuff compared to what is happening today.

Have to admit, members, Traveler is completely right. If you disagree, then you won't hear Robusta belting you in the mouth and calling you a Racist.
 
Thomas Jefferson "The first consideration in immigration is the welfare of the receiving nation...the influx of a large number of new immigrants unaccustomed to the gov't of a free society could be detrimental to that society. Immigration therefore must be approached carefully and cautiously."

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Racism is a broad-brush accusation & position. There is not one thing wrong in preferring ones own people.

There are laws in place regarding immigration , I suggest we uphold them, and others be required to obey them. No matter their , race, creed, color, religion, or country of origin.
 
Too many issues here but I recently heard someone mention during a debate on this that people do things like lock doors and put passwords on computers for a reason. Wouldn't a country enforcing immigration law/procedure and putting barriers on it's borders be doing the same thing?
 
Racism is a broad-brush accusation & position. There is not one thing wrong in preferring ones own people.

There are laws in place regarding immigration , I suggest we uphold them, and others be required to obey them. No matter their , race, creed, color, religion, or country of origin.

This, in red above, is why there are blacks that only want to live in a black-only community. There are Vietnamese that feel the same way. There are those from India that will ask on Relocation forums if there is a large Indian population and/or restaurants in the area they are thinking about moving to. Same goes for other races, including some whites. I say "some" because there are those whites who will not live in an area that is not diverse in demographics.
 
I think we can all agree that immigrants are welcome in our country if they come with a clean history, come responsibly, and with a heart to become fully American, learning the language, flying only the American flag, etc.

The only way we can make sure of that is to take our time vetting each one. Not blindly herding them in masses and then waiting until a crime has already been committed before jailing them or sending them back.
 
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