Immigrants are flooding into the U.S.

ArnoldC said:
There is no solution. The people that care have no power. The people in power don't care.
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What would you suggest the people in power do about the migrant crisis?
 

hollydolly said:
this is what we're told so that we'll except these people into our country.. ''they do the work Brits won't do''... not true. The fact is most come here already very aware of how to work the system.. arrive with kids knowing they will get social security and public housing because they have children with them ... and join up with many from their homeland who are very wise on how to milk the system, and in the meantime our crime rate goes sky high ....

Not to say all immigrants do this.. I know many who have a job and live in private rented accomodation, those have come to improve their lives ..those are the ones we need.. but they are in the minority... that's fact!!
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I suspect one of the big motivators for immigration to the UK is similar to here in Canada - Free Health Care! Well, Health Care paid for by tax payers. In Canada, new immigrants can receive healthcare after being in the country 90 days. I'm guessing they haven't paid much in taxes within those 90 days so that would suggest those of us citizens who have worked and paid taxes for 40 years + are the people financing their health care. Then after becoming 'landed immigrants' (that can happen within 92 days of arrival) they can start sponsoring applications for relatives to immigrate to Canada and that's a multi-generational thing so there's always lots of them! The issues balloon very quickly :cautious:
 
I hope they get the help they need from our government social services. I would rather they do it the right way instead of turning to a life of crime. Our services were created for those in need and they don't give you enough to take advantage. They have very strict rules and regulations and check up on them often to make sure no wrong is being done. Many are desperately in need of help and our government doesn't turn many away unless you have enough money in the first place.
 

I actually worked for a guy who immigrated legally. Oh he was not happy about people "Cutting in line" he'd talk about how he'd come with his family, Dad and mom working.

He finished high school, started trucking, became a trainer for company drivers. Retired, now had his own milling shop. And he was training his 2nd in command to speak Hispanic.
 
I watch the newer news channels on tv...GBnews and Talktv. The issue of immigration has been discussed but there is something which I have never heard anyone say......The UK has been extremely generous in welcoming those from other countries, but we have done our fair share. It is time to shut the door. We should start saying, 'Sorry, we're full up'. The only newcomers we should be considering are the few who have skills we need....people who will contribute in a positive way to our society. The others should be told to go elsewhere.
 
I get it, I do understand when people fuss about immigrants. There needs to be a better, quicker process for those who want to come to America. Many are hard working, honest, good people that just want a better life for their family. lf we take a step back and look at the big picture they are many here, born here, Americans, that decide to take advantage of the system. They do not want to work, to build a life, to make sure there children get a good education.

We should look at both sides, some come here to work hard to have a better life, some here are Americans by birth but take advantage of the system. I would pick the people that come here to work hard and build a life. Who would you pick?
 
I would have faith that the system is not easy to take advantage of. There are many who cannot work and our system makes them verify that over and over and over.

So many think people make alll kinds of money off the government social system but in reality they don't. They don't even give disabled enough to pay their rent let alone all other things they need to survive. Not enough for a month worth of food either with this inflation.

I wish people would stop picking on the poorest and look at the billionaires not paying their share of taxes making the rest of us do without.
 
Ruthanne said:
I would have faith that the system is not easy to take advantage of. There are many who cannot work and our system makes them verify that over and over and over.

So many think people make alll kinds of money off the government social system but in reality they don't. They don't even give disabled enough to pay their rent let alone all other things they need to survive. Not enough for a month worth of food either with this inflation.

I wish people would stop picking on the poorest and look at the billionaires not paying their share of taxes making the rest of us do without.
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I agree, there are many out there struggling to pay their rent, to get food and medical care. I am not talking about those people. I am talking the folks that keep having children just to get extra money, the money is not used to make sure the kids are well fed, have clothing, get to school etc.

I am aggravated that the old or disabled are not taken care of. The money often goes to those that are healthy, could work, could get by if they put in
the effort. They take away money from those that really do need help.

I am older now but I was always and still am frugal. My husband and I were lucky enough to have good jobs. We always had health insurance, I was in charge of finances and made sure we took advantage of IRA;s. No we did not have all the fancy things, we did not travel like some of the family and friends. I was never embarrassed to say out right that we can't afford something. The truth is the truth. My husband has died but the house is mortgage free, the son went to a top notch college without any debt

I will continue to be frugal as that is part of me. I never had to go without anything, I rest easy knowing the money is there should I need it. Many would waste it on stupid things but I just don't feel the need to impress anyone. Roof over my head, plenty of food, able to take care of my pets, those are the the things important to me.
 
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MrPants said:
I suspect one of the big motivators for immigration to the UK is similar to here in Canada - Free Health Care! Well, Health Care paid for by tax payers. In Canada, new immigrants can receive healthcare after being in the country 90 days. I'm guessing they haven't paid much in taxes within those 90 days so that would suggest those of us citizens who have worked and paid taxes for 40 years + are the people financing their health care. Then after becoming 'landed immigrants' (that can happen within 92 days of arrival) they can start sponsoring applications for relatives to immigrate to Canada and that's a multi-generational thing so there's always lots of them! The issues balloon very quickly :cautious:
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we have a double whammy here..not only Free Health Care but Public housing is free ... and is paid for by social security ( Dole)..for those who choose not to work.. and even those who do work get given a free council house ( again public housing)..if they have children and pay minimal rent .. very often ahead of the million and a half people who have been on the waiting list for subsidised housing for well over 5 years...

So free housing, free money... free health care... there's no another country in the world who does this..

https://www.housing.org.uk/news-and...ng-list-is-500000-more-than-official-figures/
 
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When I worked in the Pentagon, it was pretty well known that the only freebies illegals were given at that time were medical care and women with children were given EBT (food stamps). Todays illegals, do receive some temporary housing. This is as much as I know for certain.
 
Been There said:
When I worked in the Pentagon, it was pretty well known that the only freebies illegals were given at that time were medical care and women with children were given EBT (food stamps). Todays illegals, do receive some temporary housing. This is as much as I know for certain.
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It depends on the state. In California, for example, illegal immigrants are entitled to free public schooling (as well as the breakfasts and lunches that come with the schooling.) They qualify for in-state tuition for college. They can get drivers' licenses. They are covered by Medicaid. And they are eligible for WIC (children's nutritional programs.

I'm not saying any of this is right or wrong. No one (I hope) wants to deny children schooling or nutrition. But everything added together does create an incentive to come here.
 
Packerjohn said:
I read something over twice since I could not believe what I read. A Ukrainian family arrived in a town in my province with 10 children. I am not lying: 10 children. They came from a village in the Ukraine.

Furthermore, another family is coming with another 10 children. Can you imagine the plane fare? In Canada most families have less than 2 children. Many have none at all. I can't believe it 10 children. They certainly haven't heard about birth control or maybe they aren't interested?

When I saw this photo, I was sure it was about 3 families standing together. Man! Was I wrong! It is just mama and papa and 10 kids.
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Is it possible that some parents are handing their children over to a couple that agree to get them out of the Ukraine by passing them off as their own children? And then plan to reunite as soon as they (the parents) can get out themselves? It may sound far-fetched but maybe if they were desperate enough they might do it.
 
caroln said:
Is it possible that some parents are handing their children over to a couple that agree to get them out of the Ukraine by passing them off as their own children? And then plan to reunite as soon as they (the parents) can get out themselves? It may sound far-fetched but maybe if they were desperate enough they might do it.
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That very well could be true. I have no idea if the immigration checks closely. Anyway, let's face the facts. There is a war going on. People are fleeing the country. Do they really have the time to apply for government records that show the date of birth and the names of the parents? I don't think so and in the big picture, it probably does not matter to our immigration people if they want to sponsor war refugees. As as the Ukrainians, in times of war, you do what you have to do.
 
As with our northern border, there are sensors along it to dissuade illegal entry. But, I have friends in northern Vermont who live across the street from their Canadian neighbors in Quebec.

This doesn't seem to be the case along our southern border at all. Further, more entry check points would help alleviate that problem, I'd think.

With the Rio Grande dividing wild areas of Mexico and Texas, it is very problematic along that stretch.

Make certain our quotas are in place and do not expand beyond those numbers.

There is no quick fix, but, in order to remain apolitical here, I'll say no more.
 
Many of the immigrants are fleeing gun violence, and most of the guns used by gangs south of our border are being supplied by American gun manufacturers. So one way to slow the flow of refugees would be to crack down on gun exports.

Many of these refugees are WALKING 1000s of miles from Central America to reach the U.S. For families to be that motivated, their places of origin must be pretty horrendous. So if we helped those countries improve the quality of life for their people, fewer people would flee. Obviously, each country is unique, but if our leaders had the will, they would find a way.

Cutting down on gun exports is a good place to start.
 
The Governor from Tennessee was on the radio yesterday talking about the letter he had received from DHS notifying him that Tennessee will be soon getting 'x' amount of men from the border as the government tries to move people around. I think the number was 2000, but it could have been higher. Just as he said the number a huge truck went by my car and I couldn't make out the number exactly.
 
CarolfromTX said:
Well, here’s a start. Finish the wall. Enforce the laws that are on the books now. Quit putting out the welcome mat. Threaten Mexico with sanctions if they don’t help.
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I suggest just doing what Canada does. That is, to deny anyone here without proper documentation any and all rights of citizenship -- benefit programs, working, driving, school, medical programs. No wall needed!
 
If a very rich person or organization were to buy the gun manufacturers and shops and raise prices so high that the immigrants cannot afford them. Or the price of bullets. Only a thought. It won't happen and will have unexpected consequences
 
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