In the USA about 12 percent of Police officers are women. In Canada it's 23 percent.

jimintoronto said:
Would you agree that the PSP and the Ontario Provincial Police are similar in their mandate to provide services in a large area? The OPP has about 34 percent of their total officers, who are women. The percentage of OPP officers in front line public service ranks is 23 percent. Both SPS and OPP run a 28 week training college course that is co-ed and recruits live at the OPP college during the course.
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The PSP has jurisdiction over the whole state. If we are pursuing a felon and nearing a state line, we can request that the state we are entering continue the pursuit. With having helicopters and cameras and hundreds of intersections, we can easily read a plate and make the arrest in a safer environment.

Training never stops. The PSP sends Troopers to the FBI Academy continuously for advanced training. Felons are always learning new methods for the crimes they commit and it’s up to the police to stay on top of criminal behavior.
 
Nathan said:
The local Sheriff's Dept. I worked for, for 26 years has a lot of female deputies, and I can say from 1st hand observation that they can handle themselves and kick butt.
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The Sheriff’s office in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania operates totally different than in states. Because PA is a Commonwealth and not a state, our Sheriffs and Deputies work for the courts. They pick up felons from jails and prisons and deliver them to courts fir their appearances. They have very limited, almost zero, investigative powers. They can make arrest with motor vehicle violations. They also spend time in jails and prisons aiding the corrections officers. It’s a completely different setup from that of a “state” compared to that of a “Commonwealth,” which still acts as they did back in the Colonial days.

I know I’m not explaining it very well, but hopefully, you get the idea. Here us a better explanation from AI:

Pennsylvania sheriffs operate differently, primarily focusing on court security and civil processes rather than proactive policing, due to state laws and Pennsylvania Supreme Court rulings.
Unlike other states where sheriffs are major law enforcement agencies, PA sheriffs have restricted investigative powers, with the Pennsylvania State Police and local departments serving as the primary law enforcement, a structure designed to keep them as an extension of the court.
 
jimintoronto said:
Your post supports my contention, that in many nations, outside of the USA, women are much more likely to be hired as Police officers. So, back to my original question, why is the USA so far behind other first world countries, in hiring women officers ?
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Maybe it's because the USA has a very strong economy compared to Canada's. The Canadian unemployment rate is much higher than ours. So being a police officer may look like a pretty good deal there. The EU unemployment rate is 5.9 percent versus 4.3 percent here.
Aunt Bea said:
I’m wondering if the difference is in the traditional approach to law enforcement between Canada and The United States.

I have no data but my perception is that Canadian law enforcement may tend to focus on community based peace keeping initiatives while The United States tends to focus on law enforcement in ways that tend to require a higher use of force to fight crime rather than focusing on deescalation and prevention. 🤔
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We have a lot of violent crime, that's for sure. It's kind of a chicken and egg thing. Does the use of force to fight crime lead to more violent crime? There are some interesting experiments going on in Baltimore and elsewhere with the kind of peacekeeping initiatives you mentioned.
 
hollydolly said:
I tell you what I've noticed... about female officers...

I watch a lot of real time Cop Videos on youtub, particualry American because that's the most that's available on YT. In the course of that I've prbably watched more than a thousand over the years

Overall.. altho of course there are exceptions.....Male officers seem to be even tempered .. until they're pushed to their limits... but as soon as female officer appaear.. and that's here in the UK as well.. things immdiately escalate..caused almosts every time by the female office who comes in with an attitude toward the suspect..., and within seconds, a calm and manageable situation turns into a battle...
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It seems that very often when police are making an arrest someone has a camera recording what’s happening during the arrest and that’s fine as long as the person with the camera doesn’t interfere or impede the officer’s or trooper’s job.

I remember a printing business was on fire. After the fire, the fire Marshall ruled it as arson. A few days later, a man came into the barracks and said he made a video of the fire before the fire trucks arrived and would we like to have a look at the video. We said sure. We will review it and call him when he can pick it up.

When we reviewed the video, it showed his friend torching the building by using gasoline. He used the same photo card to video the fire as he did to video his friend starting the fire. They were both arrested and pleaded guilty.

I really never noticed women being more
 
Aunt Bea said:
I’m wondering if the difference is in the traditional approach to law enforcement between Canada and The United States.

I have no data but my perception is that Canadian law enforcement may tend to focus on community based peace keeping initiatives while The United States tends to focus on law enforcement in ways that tend to require a higher use of force to fight crime rather than focusing on deescalation and prevention. 🤔
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One of the most basic legal differences between the USA and Canada , is this. Canada has one Criminal Code that covers the entire country, so Police training is standardized in all parts of our country. The USA has 50 states all of which have different laws and procedures.

Police in Canada are not allowed to investigate them selves. Each of the ten Provinces and three Territories have independent public investigation groups that investigate cases where a person is killed by Police, or suffers serious injuries while in Police custody. Their reports go directly to the Attorney General of the Province, and are public records. Those investigations are usually completed within 60 days.

Canadian Police are subject to two levels of judgement. First under the Police Act, and secondly in the courts if charged with a criminal offense.

One major difference between the USA and Canada is this. In the USA many Police departments require their new hires to buy their own uniforms, boots, and personal equipment. In New York city there are at least 6 "Police supply stores " where NYPD officers go to buy their uniforms. In Canada, even the smallest rural Native Police service provides everything that an officer wears, or uses. That covers every thing except their underwear.

Wages. In Canada, Police officers are very well paid, and they have comprehensive benefit packages. In some small towns in the USA newly employed officers may be paid minimum wages. One Ohio township pays their sworn officers $12 an hour.

Canadian Police services tend to hire adults who are in their mid 20's, who have life experiences such as renting a place to live, saving up to buy furniture, a car, and establishing themselves in society. Military service is not a factor in hiring Police officers in Canada. Being multi lingual is worth extra points on the interview process, and so is having a 4 year University degree in a field that directly relates to Police services. Being promotable is important here. JIMB>
 
IrishEyes said:
Is this a US vs. CN competition? It does leave you with that impression doesn't it? Why should it be? We live in many different countries and I believe we
each love our own, we each and all should respect that.
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This is a very familiar theme with Jim. Many of his threads and posts pit the US against Canada, with Canada always being portrayed as the shining example and the US as the pathetic also-ran.

Most Americans love our neighbors to the north, me included. I'm not sure why Jim is so insecure about his country but repeatedly seeing us in competition is tiresome.
 
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hollydolly said:
yes and I have to tell you, that's part of the reason our Police force.. is no longer a 'force''.... woke.. weak... lily livered....
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I was taught at a very early age to have complete for all law enforcement. It truly is a vocation that requires a form of selfless drive and character deserving of respect. In the discussion of gender diversity I see it as an academic platitude that repeatedly proves itself false. Time will weed out the fallacy of its application to law enforcement the same as all other areas. It is not the answer to gender discrimination, that actually involves common sense.
 
You know the mere fact that such a statistic is even calculated becomes a form of discrimination. Just my opinion and I'm quite content with that.
 
How a culture composes its police force probably reflects what they think they'll be needed for. For a culture that thinks those who break laws are 'evil-doers' who must be forcibly constrained and punished, you look for burly men. For a culture with a more nuanced understanding of human nature and what leads some to break the norms, choosing women might add a less coercive more civilizing tone.
 
jimintoronto said:
Facts. Comparing 2 countries that are next door to each other. Note that the percentage of female Police officers in the United Kingdom is even higher, than in Canada, OR the USA. JIMB>
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That could be true. I know people in the UK, and it would be something for me to ask them.

I'm not interested in, though, trying to knock our countries in any insulting way, but comparing things is different, I am interested in how things are elsewhere.

One of my interests of many is crime. I've followed some Canadian crimes and I've seen Canadian follow crimes here in the US. I think it might be changing but I think one reason is that more information is given or can be obtained with our cases. Not all, depends on the state, status of the case, etc.

However, I've also followed some Canadian crimes and this is not meant to be an insult, but am not impressed as to how they are handled. Not that we don't have such here that people would say the same about, however, I feel like it's almost all there. Of course though we have the same but we are bigger by far as to population and states, and LE departments, etc. I mean we are talking rounding about 350 million versus 40 million people. [And who knows about illegals.]

It's not easy to compare all things when a lot of things differ. Imo.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I’m wondering if the difference is in the traditional approach to law enforcement between Canada and The United States.

I have no data but my perception is that Canadian law enforcement may tend to focus on community based peace keeping initiatives while The United States tends to focus on law enforcement in ways that tend to require a higher use of force to fight crime rather than focusing on deescalation and prevention. 🤔
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I think that depends on what kind of crime as well. We certainly don't use force in many of the crimes I have followed. It's far more about the investigation. I also have followed many in CN.

Canada is about peacekeeping and we use force? I really can't agree with that. Some departments are not as good as others but mostly the reaction is to fit the situation.
 
I'm not a big stats person because one never knows what the criteria was, has to look at the sampling taken and from where, etc., etc. Even so, here is what a quick search gave me...

Women make up approximately 12% to 14% of full-time sworn law enforcement officers in the United States, representing a slow, steady increase from lower percentages in previous decades. While over 60% of civilian law enforcement staff are women, they remain heavily underrepresented in sworn, operational roles.

I didn't look up CN. Or the UK. But I can as anyone can.

Anyhow, I don't think it's overly surprising they aren't in the senior roles as males would have still had more time in the force as women rise in the numbers. Anyhow, I don't think I heard the 60 percent part? And do they check or do polls on what is by choice? I doubt it. I mean I never wanted a job in LE. Being older, I would be even more resistant to it with the problems in the world today, not feel I'd be more inclined at all. NOPE.

Like there still isn't a portion of the population either where the woman is the homemaker, the caregiver and so on and the man the breadwinner. Is it the most attractive job to some? Would have never been to me. Now being an atty at one point would have appealed to me, but not law enforcement.

Speaking of females, not a single female in my family had any such desire either, and we have many.

Anyhow, I guess my point is, how does it say anything? Prove anything?

And those who think that crime is worse in the US, well then why wonder why even men don't want the position sometimes?

Just my off the top of my head thoughts...
 
911 said:
The Sheriff’s office in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania operates totally different than in states. Because PA is a Commonwealth and not a state, our Sheriffs and Deputies work for the courts. They pick up felons from jails and prisons and deliver them to courts fir their appearances. They have very limited, almost zero, investigative powers. They can make arrest with motor vehicle violations. They also spend time in jails and prisons aiding the corrections officers. It’s a completely different setup from that of a “state” compared to that of a “Commonwealth,” which still acts as they did back in the Colonial days.

I know I’m not explaining it very well, but hopefully, you get the idea. Here us a better explanation from AI:

Pennsylvania sheriffs operate differently, primarily focusing on court security and civil processes rather than proactive policing, due to state laws and Pennsylvania Supreme Court rulings.
Unlike other states where sheriffs are major law enforcement agencies, PA sheriffs have restricted investigative powers, with the Pennsylvania State Police and local departments serving as the primary law enforcement, a structure designed to keep them as an extension of the court.
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I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with that. I'm finding AI interesting also, I kind of like it sometimes but I've asked it the same question basicall two times in a row and received different answers if I just turned two world around even, but the same question...

Our states are different and each have their own rules and laws of course. Unless a federal law is in force, then our states are to follow that. Whether a commonwealth or not no?
Grand juries for instance are something I never see in the states near me nor my own. But they are very common in other states.
We elect our sheriff's and DA's and that's what we call them.

Anyhow, our sheriff's departments have investigative powers and have homicide detectives even if a small department usually. Throughout the US though, there are small departments and bigger ones, and then aside from sheriff's departments if a big city they are police deparments, however, if a crime happened outside of the city, then it's the sheriff's department right? Then in our state anyhow, and I think all, we can request our state agency to help, and of course the FBI.

I have no idea how PA is. I also have no idea how Canada is but I seriously doubt it's anything like here.

I can also say there are a number of female agents in the FBI, and even higher when it comes to analysts, etc. So I have to wonder about any stat about US law enforcement as a whole. And how one can even compare CN to it.

Women currently make up approximately 24% of FBI special agents and about 22% of FBI police officers, with these numbers steadily increasing. While women comprise over 40% of the total FBI workforce—including professional staff and intelligence analysts—they remain in the minority within agent roles. The Bureau is actively recruiting to raise these numbers, with women now constituting about 37% of new agent trainees. [1, 2, 3, 4]

From AI, bolding by me.
 
911 said:
"Females are not held to the same standards as the males."
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How is that fair?

If I call the police, I want someone physically fit and strong enough to take down the bad guys!

If I call the fire department, I want someone physically fit and strong enough to save me.

Equality is fine, IF a female can do anything a male can do - good 👍. But they should not make concessions, that put other people in danger.
 
CaliS said:
How is that fair?

If I call the police, I want someone physically fit and strong enough to take down the bad guys!

If I call the fire department, I want someone physically fit and strong enough to save me.

Equality is fine, IF a female can do anything a male can do - good 👍. But they should not make concessions, that put other people in danger.
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I don’t disagree with you, but just like what is being debated now with sports and not allowing genetic males turning into transgenders participating with genetic females, the argument is that females are not as strong as males, so there is a distinct advantage.

If a female is sent out on a call that may be a domestic issue or a felony in progress, a male is generally sent as a backup. I rode with a new female PSP Trooper that was only 5 feet 3 inches. She did well, but there were no physical encounters. Our female Cadets are taught martial arts just like our male Cadets.
 
Women officers are essential for some roles. I can see them outperforming men in some other roles, such as domestic interventions and peacekeeping.

There is a national "30 by 30" initiative aimed at getting women to thirty percent of sworn law enforcement officers by 2030.

The pay is generally good, benefits and retirement excellent, and you are unlikely to be replaced by AI in the near future. Remember Robocop though!
 
AutumnGal said:
I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with that. I'm finding AI interesting also, I kind of like it sometimes but I've asked it the same question basicall two times in a row and received different answers if I just turned two world around even, but the same question...

Our states are different and each have their own rules and laws of course. Unless a federal law is in force, then our states are to follow that. Whether a commonwealth or not no?
Grand juries for instance are something I never see in the states near me nor my own. But they are very common in other states.
We elect our sheriff's and DA's and that's what we call them.
Anyhow, our sheriff's departments have investigative powers and have homicide detectives even if a small department usually. Throughout the US though, there are small departments and bigger ones, and then aside from sheriff's departments if a big city they are police deparments, however, if a crime happened outside of the city, then it's the sheriff's department right? Then in our state anyhow, and I think all, we can request our state agency to help, and of course the FBI.

I have no idea how PA is. I also have no idea how Canada is but I seriously doubt it's anything like here.

I can also say there are a number of female agents in the FBI, and even higher when it comes to analysts, etc. So I have to wonder about any stat about US law enforcement as a whole. And how one can even compare CN to it.

Women currently make up approximately 24% of FBI special agents and about 22% of FBI police officers, with these numbers steadily increasing. While women comprise over 40% of the total FBI workforce—including professional staff and intelligence analysts—they remain in the minority within agent roles. The Bureau is actively recruiting to raise these numbers, with women now constituting about 37% of new agent trainees. [1, 2, 3, 4]

From AI, bolding by me.
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Sheriffs are generally hired by the County, so that would be their area of Jurisdiction. State Police have the whole state as their area of jurisdiction.
 
Irishdude said:
Women officers are essential for some roles. I can see them outperforming men in some other roles, such as domestic interventions and peacekeeping.

There is a national "30 by 30" initiative aimed at getting women to thirty percent of sworn law enforcement officers by 2030.

The pay is generally good, benefits and retirement excellent, and you are unlikely to be replaced by AI in the near future. Remember Robocop though!
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Pennsylvania is making an effort to get to 30% females by 2030.

Domestic situations can be very dangerous. We had 3 police officers killed in York County last September or October answering to a domestic situation. Three police officers in one call. The shooter was waiting for the local cops to show up. A PSP Trooper killed the shooter.
 
hollydolly said:
these are not Videos made by Youtube... these are videos uploaded by hundreds of different police forces themselves.. and also witnesses to certain events... who took footage n phones and cameras
..but I've seen in real life as well here in the UK
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The good thing now is that most all Officers and Troopers have a body cam on them. The body cam footage has been showing up on TV and YouTube.
 
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