In the USA about 12 percent of Police officers are women. In Canada it's 23 percent.

Pepper said:
This doesn’t address the issue. They are rewarded for being fat by getting easy duty
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A grossly overweight police officer is likely to miss out on promotions and better pay. Unless s/he demonstrates keen skills at some specialty, like hostage negotiation or gang infiltration, his/her career is very limited. And I'm sure people who choose a career in law enforcement are hoping for an active career ...like they see on TV.
 
@Murrmurr & @Nathan, California is similar to Ohio, but our Coroner is a separate county official who is elected.

The Sheriff here is the chief LE officer of the county who is elected. In Ohio, they are responsible for jail operations, court security, service of court paperwork/orders, sex offender registration, concealed carry permits, sales of forfeited property & covering the unincorporated areas of the county. It's not uncommon for townships in Ohio to contract police services with the Sheriff instead of having their own department to maintain because it's more economical.

We also run the regional dispatch center that dispatch 15 other police & 10 fire departments in the county. A few of the other departments still have their own dispatch. Usually our detectives will handle investigations for the townships on felonies as well as the evidence collection. Most of the departments also use our training center as well for yearly firearm re-qualifications as well as other required State of Ohio training.
 
jimintoronto said:
WOW. In Canada, a Coroner is a Medical Doctor, who is employed by the Provincial Government. Forensic pathologists do the actual autopsies here. Coroners here conduct inquests that try to discover the cause of death. The Coroner's Jury hears all the evidence at the time of the inquest, and their task is to return a decision, death by natural causes, death by mis-adventure, or homicide. Coroner's juries also are able to make safety recommendations, to prevent such a death, in the future.

In the case of an industrial accident that results in the death of a worker, the employer may be charged criminally under the Canadian Criminal Code. JIMB>
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Only the Medical Examiner has to have a degree in medicine. The Coroner investigates the death, but has no authority to arrest or to assign fault. The M.E. and the F.P. (Forensic Pathologist) decide together if any charges are filed by using the Coroner’s report. The system works well. We recognize 5 manners of death; Natural Causes, Suicide, Murder, Accidental and Undetermined. Any of which may be changed depending on the preponderance of the evidence.
 
Nathan said:
In California's San Bernardino County the Sheriff's Dept. Deputies provide primary law enforcement within the unincorporated areas of the county, in some cases the Sheriff's Dept. has contracts with incorporated cities within the county to do city policing. Also, county Sheriff's deputies run and staff the county jails, and transport inmates to the courts. County deputies also provide security and bailiff functions at the courthouse. The Sheriff also wears the hat of the County Coroner.

San Bernardino county used to have a Marshal's Office, which served misdemeanor warrants, did evictions and bailoff'd in the Municipal courts.
In the late '90s~early 2000s the Marshals were merged into the Sheriff's Dept. to cut down on duplicative functions, and save administrative overhead.
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That’s interesting that the Sheriff serves as the Coroner. Does the Sheriff have a medical background? Another stupid question is, “Is the Sheriff or Deputies delegated to a single county or can they extend their jurisdiction into other counties?”

Hypothetical situation. If I am walking down Hollywood Boulevard and I spot a dead body lying against a building, do I contact the police or the Sheriff’s Office?

I noticed in the O.J. Simpson trial that both the L.A.P.D. and Sheriff’s Office gave testimony. How does that happen? Doesn’t just one law enforcement agency have charge of the same case?
 
911 said:
That’s interesting that the Sheriff serves as the Coroner. Does the Sheriff have a medical background?
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No, the Sheriff is just the administrator, they have a full compliment of medical staff to handle the autopsy and forensic work.

911 said:
Another stupid question is, “Is the Sheriff or Deputies delegated to a single county or can they extend their jurisdiction into other counties?”
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All POST certified law enforcement officers in California have jurisdiction throughout the state to act upon public offenses committed within their primary jurisdiction or when supporting other agencies. Penal Code § 830.1

911 said:
Hypothetical situation. If I am walking down Hollywood Boulevard and I spot a dead body lying against a building, do I contact the police or the Sheriff’s Office?
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It would depend on what section of Hollywood blvd the dead body was located, but placing a call to 911 would be the best bet, they would figure out which agency to dispatch to the scene.

911 said:
I noticed in the O.J. Simpson trial that both the L.A.P.D. and Sheriff’s Office gave testimony. How does that happen? Doesn’t just one law enforcement agency have charge of the same case?
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I don't know specifically about the OJ case, but I do know that it's not uncommon for agencies to collaborate on an investigation, particularly one that spans multiple jurisdictions.
 
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Nathan said:
No, the sheriff is just the administrator, they have a full compliment of medical staff to handle the autopsy and forensic work.


All POST certified law enforcement officers in California have jurisdiction throughout the state to act upon public offenses committed within their primary jurisdiction or when supporting other agencies. Penal Code § 830.1


It would depend on what section of Hollywood blvd the dead body was located, but placing a call to 911 would be the best bet, they would figure out which agency to dispatch to the scene.


I don't know specifically about the OJ case, but I do know that it's not uncommon for agencies to collaborate on an investigation, particularly one that spans multiple jurisdictions.
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Just one follow up question regarding the body on Hollywood Blvd. What determines which department gets the all from the 911 operator?
 
911 said:
OK, city calls go to the cops and anything outside the city limits go to the Sheriff’s Office. Got it.
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Also interesting (in Calif) is jurisdiction over mountain areas. In small towns and villages above the foothills, it's the county sheriff. His/Her resources, back-up, and teammates are Fish and Wildlife and park rangers, who have various levels of authority in criminal matters, and importantly, access to helicopters, boats, and all-terrain vehicles.

And, as far as I know, all hospitals located within 50 miles of towns in the mountains - towns above 3,800ft, I think it is - own their own ambulances and at least one medevac copter.
 
Rakaia said:
I once heard that there are 18,000 different police jurisdictions in the USA.
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We're a big country with 50 states and 330 million people. I'm surprised there aren't more jurisdictions, frankly.

We don't have a national police force except for a few specialized functions. States do maintain their own police forces but they too are usually quite specialized. Day to day police work is left up to towns, cities and counties.
 
In Ohio, the Dept. of Public safety said there are 900 law enforcement agencies. We have a State Highway Patrol (not police), 88 Sheriff's Offices (each county) & the police departments consists of cities, townships, college/universities, hospitals & a few airports.
 
Wow I am still fairly new and treading in new waters but just read the last 3+ pages on this thread as havent gotten around to the site in the last couple of days. Don't even know where to start I took in so many things just now...

First, even being new I've already been went at as if I was pitting Canada and US but I wasn't. Never. Reading the posts, clearly that does go on though...

Sheriffs and judges are generally elected (if different in some state let me know), but if say a good ol' boys club is in force in some state or county, they often get around it by having a judge step down and appointing someone to fill in in the interim... They then become the one in office for a bit by voting time if opposed and sorry to say a ton of people have no idea who they are voting for or what they are about and vote for the incumbent or the name they might recognize...

Male and female... We are just different overall... That's not to say some women are not in better shape than some donut and fried food indulging male officer... We are built differently... And a whole lot more plays in...

I had some health issues this past year and I've had more appts and such than can be imagined, a few hospitalizations and could not get off the floor or even the couch or bed for a bit... That's a lot better now BUT I had some falls and times I had to have an assist and I was very glad that the firemen/paramedics were totally able to do that and appreciated the strength. Ever single one if I recall was a very fit male.

I did have one female that could get me off the couch etc. but by using something. She was the strongest one I ran into for a female. But she needed to use something. I'm not excessively heavy by any means either so that wasn't the problem.

Coroners yes, are not always trained or medical professionals, that still goes on... Bigger cities these days usually have more requirements for police officers and for everything but things still exist in some states and some counties, etc... That maybe could be changed, or should be... But sometimes too it's good each state has some autonomy with some things...

I don't believe in thinking everyone in any type of group are the same or all good, or all bad. That's really basic and not very smart imo to think that. There are good and bad in every profession, every race, bad or good women, same with men, ANY group. Good cops, bad cops. Same with doctors. Same with all.

And FINALLY the same with countries and how it is in one versus the other...

We just jointly with Canada had a crew come back safely to earth. Artemis. And that crew in space talk to the people also in space at the international space station. First time ever something like that was able to occur. I thought it was AWESOME.

I could knock some things I know about CN but I'm not going to do that. I've never met a Canadian I didn't like. I do like to DISCUSS the differences with any state or country, etc. and what is good, or bad and so on. None are perfect. No country and no person nor any profession.

Anyhow that's my two cents.
 
911 said:
OK, city calls go to the cops and anything outside the city limits go to the Sheriff’s Office. Got it.
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Another crazy question. Doesn’t the California State Highway Patrol have a detective division? If they do, I would imagine their jurisdiction covers the entire state. If this is true, how does the Sheriff and how does the CHP decide who works the case?

Hypothetical scenario: A man is murdered outside of Solano County, sort of in the boonies. Who takes the call?
Murrmurr said:
Also interesting (in Calif) is jurisdiction over mountain areas. In small towns and villages above the foothills, it's the county sheriff. His/Her resources, back-up, and teammates are Fish and Wildlife and park rangers, who have various levels of authority in criminal matters, and importantly, access to helicopters, boats, and all-terrain vehicles.

And, as far as I know, all hospitals located within 50 miles of towns in the mountains - towns above 3,800ft, I think it is - own their own ambulances and at least one medevac copter.
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After I reread all the questions and answers, I investigated what the duties were of the investigative division of the highway patrol, or CHP. If I read the article correctly, they share duties with the Sheriff’s office and are called “The Investigative Services Unit.”
What I didn’t find was their jurisdiction area. I espoused that they can go anywhere into the state, unlike the Sheriff’s Department that is only delegated to staying inside the county.
 
911 said:
Another crazy question. Doesn’t the California State Highway Patrol have a detective division? If they do, I would imagine their jurisdiction covers the entire state. If this is true, how does the Sheriff and how does the CHP decide who works the case?

Hypothetical scenario: A man is murdered outside of Solano County, sort of in the boonies. Who takes the call?

After I reread all the questions and answers, I investigated what the duties were of the investigative division of the highway patrol, or CHP. If I read the article correctly, they share duties with the Sheriff’s office and are called “The Investigative Services Unit.”
What I didn’t find was their jurisdiction area. I espoused that they can go anywhere into the state, unlike the Sheriff’s Department that is only delegated to staying inside the county.
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The Highway Patrol name is literal. Their jurisdiction is California's freeways and highways, which are divided into several geographical districts.

Let's say that murderer is fleeing north on Interstate 99. The central Calif CHiPs officers pursuing him let the CHP dispatcher in the northern district know they're approaching the boundary of their jurisdiction. That region's CHP units have been kept updated during the chase, and are already set to take over.
 
nyctrasit5950 said:
Are they FDNY-EMS? If they are privates I don't want to know their name. Anyway please heal.

A loving friend.
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Private and public. My “favorite “ is Hatzalah. Aren’t you connected with them? Jewish volunteer organization that takes the patient of any religion or none to the hospital of one s choice. Like Senior Care very much. Was in FDNY during snow storm

Helpful strong caring and competent
 
Murrmurr said:
The Highway Patrol name is literal. Their jurisdiction is California's freeways and highways, which are divided into several geographical districts.

Let's say that murderer is fleeing north on Interstate 99. The central Calif CHiPs officers pursuing him let the CHP dispatcher in the northern district know they're approaching the boundary of their jurisdiction. That region's CHP units have been kept updated during the chase, and are already set to take over.
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Here in PA, the Pennsylvania State Police can chase a suspected felon from one end of the state to the other end. The only time we get involved in a handoff is if a borough police officer is chasing a suspected felon and is nearing the county line, he would handoff the chase to that county’s borough’s police department or the State Police. I was trying to remember the farthest I ever chased a felon and I think it was 26 miles through 3 counties. It was a bank robbery and the suspect fired his weapon into the ceiling as he was leaving the bank.

The suspect took a turn onto an Interstate and another Trooper was ready to throw down spike strips, which my guy ran over and that ended the chase. He blew out 3 tires and that sent him into the center grass median. He exited the vehicle and took off running, but we had a helicopter in the air that tracked him and he was found hiding in a culvert between 2 county lines. I remember him smelling to high Heaven and I wouldn’t let them put him in my vehicle. Another Trooper had some extra blankets so we wrapped him up in the blankets and put him in the back seat cuffed and shackled to the floor.

I was told by some Troopers still working that our new Governor doesn’t want Troopers getting involved in car chases, unless the suspect is considered armed and dangerous. Nothing like a good car chase on an open road to get that adrenaline rush.
 
911 said:
Here in PA, the Pennsylvania State Police can chase a suspected felon from one end of the state to the other end. The only time we get involved in a handoff is if a borough police officer is chasing a suspected felon and is nearing the county line, he would handoff the chase to that county’s borough’s police department or the State Police.
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About 3 1/2 Pennsylvanias would fit in Calif, and we've got over 400 state highways, 25 interstate highways, and more freeways than I can count (at the moment). So busting them up into regions makes sense, right? And, I'm just speculating, but I'd wager that when a Californian decides to go into law enforcement, CHP isn't their first choice.
911 said:
I was trying to remember the farthest I ever chased a felon and I think it was 26 miles through 3 counties. It was a bank robbery and the suspect fired his weapon into the ceiling as he was leaving the bank.

The suspect took a turn onto an Interstate and another Trooper was ready to throw down spike strips, which my guy ran over and that ended the chase. He blew out 3 tires and that sent him into the center grass median. He exited the vehicle and took off running, but we had a helicopter in the air that tracked him and he was found hiding in a culvert between 2 county lines. I remember him smelling to high Heaven and I wouldn’t let them put him in my vehicle. Another Trooper had some extra blankets so we wrapped him up in the blankets and put him in the back seat cuffed and shackled to the floor.

I was told by some Troopers still working that our new Governor doesn’t want Troopers getting involved in car chases, unless the suspect is considered armed and dangerous. Nothing like a good car chase on an open road to get that adrenaline rush.
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That's awesome...from a cop's perspective. (but mine, too)

I was accepted to the police academy in Phoenix, AZ just before I wrecked my spine and a couple of vital organs in a terrible fall. I took a header off a rocky ridge near the coast, and landed about 60ft below its crest.

I like to watch videos about complex police pursuits and expertly performed PIT maneuvers just for the entertainment value. That adrenaline rush is contagious.
 
Murrmurr said:
The Highway Patrol name is literal. Their jurisdiction is California's freeways and highways, which are divided into several geographical districts.

Let's say that murderer is fleeing north on Interstate 99. The central Calif CHiPs officers pursuing him let the CHP dispatcher in the northern district know they're approaching the boundary of their jurisdiction. That region's CHP units have been kept updated during the chase, and are already set to take over.
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California law gives all California Peace officers 24/7/365 police powers throughout the state. So if an off-duty CHP officer sees a robbery in progress when he drops into a mini mart, he/she would (and should) take action, including making an arrest.

I saw this up close and personal in the 70s. I was dating a CHP motorcycle officer and sometimes met him and a riding buddy for dinner during their break. One time, a street person was wandering through the restaurant, grabbing and eating food from customers' plates and generally being a nuisance. His buddy detained and cuffed the guy, then radioed for LAPD transport him and waited outside for a couple of minutes until they showed up.

Being motorcycle cops they couldn't transport him but could have called a CHP car for it. It was just easier to have LAPD manage it. He said local and CHP officers generally worked well together.

He laughed about idiot drunk freeway drivers who tried to argue their way out of tickets and arrests on freeways by non-CHP officers because the drivers believed only CHP could ticket them. Reverse also was true, when CHP officers issued citations on streets when they saw spotted a DUI or someone running a red light.

He did say that usually CHP and LAPD worked only their main jurisdictions, but when they spotted flagrant or unsafe behavior they could and did take action.
 
StarSong said:
California law gives all California Peace officers 24/7/365 police powers throughout the state. So if an off-duty CHP officer sees a robbery in progress when he drops into a mini mart, he/she would (and should) take action, including making an arrest.

I saw this up close and personal in the 70s. I was dating a CHP motorcycle officer and sometimes met him and a riding buddy for dinner during their break. One time, a street person was wandering through the restaurant, grabbing and eating food from customers' plates and generally being a nuisance. His buddy detained and cuffed the guy, then radioed for LAPD transport him and waited outside for a couple of minutes until they showed up.

Being motorcycle cops they couldn't transport him but could have called a CHP car for it. It was just easier to have LAPD manage it. He said local and CHP officers generally worked well together.

He laughed about idiot drunk freeway drivers who tried to argue their way out of tickets and arrests on freeways by non-CHP officers because the drivers believed only CHP could ticket them. Reverse also was true, when CHP officers issued citations on streets when they saw spotted a DUI or someone running a red light.

He did say that usually CHP and LAPD worked only their main jurisdictions, but when they spotted flagrant or unsafe behavior they could and did take action.
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Yes. All that's required is making sure the department with legal jurisdiction is credited with the arrest, does all the processing, and that all proceeding actions and case records are theirs.
 
Murrmurr said:
Yes. All that's required is making sure the department with legal jurisdiction is credited with the arrest, does all the processing, and that all proceeding actions and case records are theirs.
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The specific details of legal sausage-making after an arrest are unknown to me.

What I do know, and every legal website I've looked at this morning confirms this, is that any California peace officer from any jurisdiction can enforce laws, including making arrests, anywhere within California.

CHP's primary task may be the safe flow of traffic on freeways and highways, but they are legally empowered to handle whatever infractions they come across, state wide. And vice versa with local police.
 
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