Indonesia executes drug smugglers! Is this a good thing?

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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I know that some of you are against any form of capital punishment but I think that it sends a strong message not to mess with this activity or face a firing squad. As, after all, the drugs you smuggle ruin or end lives. Can we agree? Probably not...
 

These two men were totally rehabilitated and prepared to serve a life sentence and had shown remorse for their crime. The Mr Big who orchestrated this crime has long found new couriers. The Australian Police know who he is but the two men executed refused to testify against him for fear of reprisals against their families. Their murder serves no purpose.
 
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But it does serve a purpose, it sends a message...
 

I don't believe it was murder Their country Their rules They knew the full consequences of their actions when they arrived

I don't believe in the media hype though Showing the crosses and coffins then taping the gunshots.I feel for their families



Had they not been caught I wonder how many lives would have been lost due to drug abuse etc.
Food for thought ...............................What is done is done Their law barbaric yes Don't like it ? Stay way Or at least enjoy your stay without interfering with their custom

This debate could go on for years to come


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The law is the law. Violate it at your own peril, even to forfeiting your life...
 
At the time the drug smugglers were arrested and tried, I was hostile towards them because they were planning to bring heroin into Australia.
Now I am much less so. They have, over the last 10 years in prison, changed for the better and have rehabilitated themselves to the point that they are both now an asset to the prison system.

Execution surely means that a person is beyond reform, is too dangerous to ever be set free and that their life is without value. None of these ideas apply now to Chan and Sukumaran. The executions were pointless except for the purpose of proving a political point.

I hope that both men were able to die with their dignity intact.

Six others were executed with them, all before the same firing squad - four Nigerians, a Brazilian and an Indonesian man. A Philippine woman was granted a reprieve while further investigation of her case takes place.

Our Ambassador to Indonesia has been recalled and certain high level meetings have been cancelled.
 
I believe capital punishment should be used sparingly and only in cases of murder. To say these guys indirectly murdered people is stretching it.
 
Do you know history Ralphy? Time was one could be hung for stealing a loaf of bread, even a child. In modern times guilty until proven rich is the norm. Bad laws are not to be respected. I do not wish to live in a totalitarian society. My country does not endorse capital punishment.
 
Glinda said:
I believe capital punishment should be used sparingly and only in cases of murder. To say these guys indirectly murdered people is stretching it.
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and only in cases of murder with irrefutable DNA evidence. Too many people are found to be innocent of crimes after spending 30 years in prison. I shudder to think how many innocent people have be executed.
 
QuickSilver said:
and only in cases of murder with irrefutable DNA evidence. Too many people are found to be innocent of crimes after spending 30 years in prison. I shudder to think how many innocent people have be executed.
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Yes, I agree DNA evidence is important but I'm not sure that it should be mandatory. I'll have to think about that. Also, I agree that the death penalty is sometimes applied unfairly with regard to race and monetary status. QS, does Illinois still have a moratorium on the death penalty?
 
Glinda said:
Yes, I agree DNA evidence is important but I'm not sure that it should be mandatory. I'll have to think about that. Also, I agree that the death penalty is sometimes applied unfairly with regard to race and monetary status. QS, does Illinois still have a moratorium on the death penalty?
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Not a moratorium... It was abolished in 2011 by Governor Quin.
 
I too am disappointed that the smugglers were executed, but not surprised as I have seen other examples on news documentaries of Indonesia's barbaric laws. I would never vacation there, and this may even negatively affect their tourist industry. As for the death penalty in general, I am completely against it.
 
QuickSilver said:
and only in cases of murder with irrefutable DNA evidence. Too many people are found to be innocent of crimes after spending 30 years in prison. I shudder to think how many innocent people have be executed.
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That's one reason I'm opposed. Hate to think how many innocent people were wrongly executed.
 
Cookie said:
I too am disappointed that the smugglers were executed, but not surprised as I have seen other examples on news documentaries of Indonesia's barbaric laws. I would never vacation there, and this may even negatively affect their tourist industry. As for the death penalty in general, I am completely against it.
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I doubt this will affect the tourism industry.
 
Cookie said:
Too bad, because I would like to see them get some message that their actions are unacceptable.
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Many foreign countries don't care what other countries think of them though. The only thing that really stops tourism is if you feel you'll be in danger if you go. If you don't break the law you usually have nothing to fear, or if they are rioting or overthrowing the government.

Thailand has some strange laws but doesn't keep me from going. You risk 15 years in prison if you say anything disrespectful about the king or deface his image. You can be deported for having a tattoo of the Buddha. So I won't do either of those things.
 
Exactly, tourists are there for their pleasure and are usually very respected and welcomed, especially those with more money. I agree, unless there is a travel ban the tourist trade will flourish. My sister and BIL have been all over the world to some places I would really hesitate to go. This fall, they are planning a trip to India, which I think might be a mistake, especially for them, who are used to luxury, and we'll see how that goes.
 
Ameriscot said:
Many foreign countries don't care what other countries think of them though. The only thing that really stops tourism is if you feel you'll be in danger if you go. If you don't break the law you usually have nothing to fear, or if they are rioting or overthrowing the government.

Thailand has some strange laws but doesn't keep me from going. You risk 15 years in prison if you say anything disrespectful about the king or deface his image. You can be deported for having a tattoo of the Buddha. So I won't do either of those things.
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I think it would be fun to tattoo a Buddha on your butt so you could walk around smiling knowing you got 'em!! After you left you could take a pic of just your tattoo and send it back to the police chief!!
 

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