Iran Getting Ready For Armed Incursion Into Syria.

For some strange reasons I really don't care what's going on over there, I really prefer caring about the United Stated and its huge problems.
 
Davey Jones said:
For some strange reasons I really don't care what's going on over there, I really prefer caring about the United Stated and its huge problems.
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That is the way I feel. I am so tired of the mideast drama, that just never gets resolved with the same players and the same approaches. Plus, I'd really rather try to avoid Armageddon, instead of hasten its arrival. I don't think a future U.S. administration(either party) will be able to "stay the course" of the current one, and keep out of escalating carnage. Let the Russians take some hits, they had such wonderful results in Afghanistan.
 
Davey Jones said:
For some strange reasons I really don't care what's going on over there, I really prefer caring about the United Stated and its huge problems.
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On the other hand Davey, maybe if your government wasn't spending billions upon billions 'over there', some of those billions would be spent on your huge problems at home.
 
On onehand let them have at it but what happens if it spreads. There were already some shivers on the markets because of the threat to oil. I don't care who owns it or makes the money but wars in oil areas can cause price problems for the world. And Russian and Iran have been not only dabbling in Syria but are apparently going into Iraq next. Russia already burnt themselves out once and they'll probably do it again. The question is what will be left behind. And who else gets sucked in.

Also reports of a near Russian-Israeli fighter jet dog fight.
 
Davey Jones said:
For some strange reasons I really don't care what's going on over there, I really prefer caring about the United Stated and its huge problems.
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US citizens should care because your military is involved in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

The results are often disastrous and conducive to generating support for the radicals.
This story is very disturbing.

The US military has acknowledged it may have bombed a hospital run by medical aid group Medecins Sans Frontieres in the Afghan city of Kunduz in an air strike that killed at least nine people and wounded 37.

Source: Reuters
3 Oct 2015 - 3:29 PM

Medecins Sans Frontieres said the number of its staff killed has risen to nine.

The medical charity said the airstrikes continued for more than 30 minutes after US and Afghan authorities were told of its location.
The Taliban has released a statement, accusing "barbaric American forces" of deliberately carrying out the deadly airstrike.


More here: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...-condemnation-after-bombing-hits-msf-hospital
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WhatInThe said:
On onehand let them have at it but what happens if it spreads. There were already some shivers on the markets because of the threat to oil. I don't care who owns it or makes the money but wars in oil areas can cause price problems for the world. And Russian and Iran have been not only dabbling in Syria but are apparently going into Iraq next. Russia already burnt themselves out once and they'll probably do it again. The question is what will be left behind. And who else gets sucked in.

Also reports of a near Russian-Israeli fighter jet dog fight.
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Let's not forget that the Soviet Union was only mired in Afghanistan for ten years while America has been there going on fifteen now and are still blowing up stuff (like hospitals full of doctors and patients). Hopefully Russia has learned a lot watching the Coalition flounder with regards to ISIS and terrorists. By the way, my opinion is that a multitude 'High up' heads better roll over this horrific tragedy at that hospital. One witness I heard about described seeing patients burning alive in their beds because they couldn't move!

And here's another thing to consider. Up til now, doctors who wanted to offer their services had some sense of safety because of what they were doing but will this affect the volunteerism in the future?
 
Well.... Looks like the Russians are going to take their turn now... Wonder if they can beat their 10 year record this time... bet they do. and Putin's economy can hardly afford it... but.. that's his problem. I don't think this was the smartest think he has ever done..
 
Debby said:
Let's not forget that the Soviet Union was only mired in Afghanistan for ten years while America has been there going on fifteen now and are still blowing up stuff (like hospitals full of doctors and patients). Hopefully Russia has learned a lot watching the Coalition flounder with regards to ISIS and terrorists. By the way, my opinion is that a multitude 'High up' heads better roll over this horrific tragedy at that hospital. One witness I heard about described seeing patients burning alive in their beds because they couldn't move!

And here's another thing to consider. Up til now, doctors who wanted to offer their services had some sense of safety because of what they were doing but will this affect the volunteerism in the future?
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Stay in a conflict or combat zone long enough crap like the hospital was bound to happen. Supposedly it was Afghanee forces with US advisers with both knowing or being informed of the hospital days earlier. Did that medical facility put a red cross or medical symbol flag up? The ground forces "should've knew" but what did they know or ignore.

That being said I don't think the Russians or Iranees give as much credence to collateral damage as other nations as horrific as the hospital bombing was. Heard for years that the Russians were notorious for training fatalities let alone combat so will their priorities be saving their butts or civilians.
 
The fact that they were informed of the hospitals coordinates only days ago and then were frantically called when the bombing started and but continued........heads gotta roll at all levels. This reminds me of the Reuters journalists and assorted other non-combatants who were blown away by the Apache helicopter crew in Iraq. Don't recall that anything happened in that instance.

And I don't agree that staying in a conflict zone, etc. is an excuse or justification or rationalization or whatever you want to call it, because the American and Afghan military were both informed prior to and during. No excuses. Not even that Taliban were hiding inside (which so far no one knows for sure by the way- military trying to cover their butts?) because if they were, a ground team should have gone in and done it properly so that those innocent people were safe. Would you accept that if it was your family who were killed? That excuse is like the guy who tries to kill the spider on his car with a lighter and sets fire to the car and the pumps and we all can agree that thats totally stupid.

As for the Russians and the Iranians, well time will tell. Just because the Soviet Union had a history of not caring doesn't mean the attitude is a given today. After all, lots of changes can occur in 25 years. Or sometimes they don't. But to base an assertion about current events on what you 'heard' or what may have been the norm many, many years ago is taking a bit of a chance isn't it?

What I did hear from some eye witness on tv news is that this fails the collateral damage test because the surrounding building weren't hit. I'd like to see images of the surrounding area.
 
Even if the opposing force is using a hospital and/or civilians as a human shield civilians should get priority. They could've used more snipers to pin them down while troops went to clear/check the buildings. Also curious to the level of adviser participation. The Russians or Iranians wouldn't have let that story get out period, that's what scary because there are no ways to fix mistakes if they aren't known.
 

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