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"We request you transmit these two side agreements to Congress immediately so we may perform our duty to assess the many important questions related to the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action]," the letter says.
National Security Adviser Susan Rice, while defending the overall nuclear agreement, appeared to acknowledge the existence of the side deals on Wednesday. She said the matter of the Iran nuclear program's "possible military dimensions" (PMD) has long been an issue between Iran and the IAEA. She said they "negotiated and concluded an agreement to deal with this issue of PMD, which was one of the major sticking points in our dealings."

She added: "These documents are not public, but nonetheless, we have been briefed on those documents, we know their contents, we're satisfied with them and we will share the contents of those briefings in full in a classified session with the Congress.

So there's nothing in that regard that we know that they won't know."

Pompeo also asked Kerry about the secret deals in a briefing Wednesday and said afterwards that Kerry "confirmed that there were in fact side deals and himself had not seen the agreement."

I guess once again we "need to pass it so we can see what's in it.." It seems even Secretary Of State Kerry has not seen or read them either. Just more and more Obama transparency...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-to-reveal-side-deals-in-iran-nuke-agreement/
 

Ahhhhh yes the familiar song of displeasure, and from a Texan (wasn't that the adopted state of uh...don't tell me, I'll get it....uh oh yeah George "count me out of Vietnam" Bush?)
 
My post was information about another deal that is being made that concerns our country, in fact the whole world, with Iran who screams, "DEATH TO AMERICA!! publicly! And our president wants approval of an agreement with hidden issues that we are not to know about! I do not understand this as an attack on the president personally but against an international policy he wants passed without full disclosure to the people of our country.

It very much reminds me of how he and the Senate handled the Health Care Plan. If you can not or will not see the similarity, that is YOUR problem.
 
Thank you for your additional thoughts. The day we have all of our citizens vote to ratify a (at this stage) treaty is the day we will no longer be able to negotiate such treaties. How would the "decider" have accomplished this? Keep in mind we elect people to office to do these things, it's the way its always been.
 
A CBSNY reporter stated there were 10,000 people protesting the Iran deal in New York Square last night, Lenore.

[h=1]Thousands Of Protesters Rally In Times Square Against Iran Nuclear Deal[/h]http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/07/22/iran-nuclear-deal-protest/
 
A CBSNY reporter stated there were 10,000 people protesting the Iran deal in New York Square last night, Lenore.

Thousands Of Protesters Rally In Times Square Against Iran Nuclear Deal

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/07/22/iran-nuclear-deal-protest/

Was there any report of how many people around the world are not protesting? How many million? This accord is not only between us and Iran it is also is approved by the UN and many other countries.
 
Why do people think that we can just scrap this deal and go back to the table and get a harsher one with all the sanctions intact? No... there will be no deal at all... and Iran will be resuming bomb building the very next day.. China won't come back to the table.. Russia won't come back to the table.. our Allies won't come back to the table.. So.. I guess that leaves WAR.... yep.. run over there and bomb the hell out of Iran.. get our troops on the ground with thousands more Americans killed... and after that... Iran will be back to bomb building in 3 years... Isn't 10 years and no lives lost better?

There.. and I said all that without bringing up "the Decider" Scrapping the deal will only bring WAR... and will make a few more billionaires.. to avoid paying taxes..
 
Why do people think that we can just scrap this deal and go back to the table and get a harsher one with all the sanctions intact? No... there will be no deal at all... and Iran will be resuming bomb building the very next day.. China won't come back to the table.. Russia won't come back to the table.. our Allies won't come back to the table.. So.. I guess that leaves WAR.... yep.. run over there and bomb the hell out of Iran.. get our troops on the ground with thousands more Americans killed... and after that... Iran will be back to bomb building in 3 years... Isn't 10 years and no lives lost better?

There.. and I said all that without bringing up "the Decider" Scrapping the deal will only bring WAR... and will make a few more billionaires.. to avoid paying taxes..

If war was to start at any point, now or later, who do you think would fire the first shot?
 
A CBSNY reporter stated there were 10,000 people protesting the Iran deal in New York Square last night, Lenore.

Thousands Of Protesters Rally In Times Square Against Iran Nuclear Deal

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/07/22/iran-nuclear-deal-protest/

Wasn't that protester's rally funded and supported by Israel supporters? Maybe all those people involved, who appear to have similar rallies organized and funded in other locations in America, are just supporters of Israel, and hold it in higher importance than the USA? I'm sure all the money that goes to republican elections from Israel has something to do with all this nonsense. http://stopiranrally.org/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d031e-0744-11e2-858a-5311df86ab04_story.html

http://billmoyers.com/2015/03/17/real-story-behind-republicans-iran-letter/

Those members of Congress don’t arrive at their positions on issues related to Iran through discussion and debate among themselves.

They are given their marching orders
by AIPAC lobbyists, and time after time, they sign the letters and vote for legislation or resolution that they are given, as former AIPAC lobbyist MJ Rosenberg has recalled.

This Israeli exercise of control over Congress on Iran and issues of concern to Israel resembles the Soviet direction of its satellite regimes and loyal Communist parties more than any democratic process, but with campaign contributions replacing the inducements that kept its bloc allies in line.
 
My question relates to Shalimar's post and not the treaty. She thinks there will be war if the treaty fails. It helps to read the posts Jim

My PC shows no post by Shalimar, Lon. Hasty over-read? No offense now, I disagree with Jim, too, just haven't said so. imp
 
Liberal, non-Liberal, or otherwise

Squabbling over political backgrounds solves little and inflames already irritated minds. Fact is, Iran has had a very colored and very lopsided political existence as far as America is concerned, for many decades.

Start just a few months before Pearl Harbor. Iran got a new King, Shah Pahlavi, succeeding his father. Iran then had 2,500 continuous years of monarchy ruling the country. Pretty impressive record. Reza Pahlavi introduced a series of economic, political, and social reforms aimed at making Iran a modern player in global affairs. His achievements over 30 years+ time are of enormous merit, but at the cost of dictatorship. His secret police were known to perform home invasions, during which a child would be snatched away, never to be seen again. A bad side existed.

The Shah abdicated the throne in 1979, and fled the country. It was purported by news reports, a trainload of freight cars left with him, some containing untold tons of precious metal bullion, the Treasury of the country stripped and stolen. A year previous, the Shah had granted extreme dissidents living outside the country amnesty, including the Ayatollah Khomeini, who went on to become AMERICA'S nemesis. The Shah bounced from one country to another several times, and was found to be dying of cancer while in Mexico City. He requested permission to enter the U.S. for medical treatment, to which Khomeini publicly declared terrible consequences would ensue should that happen. Henry Kissinger, a good buddy of the Shah, arranged for treatment in New York City, to which the Shah was transported. Khomeini demanded, but of course was turned down, that the Shah be returned to Iran to be tried for crimes perpetrated there. As a result, 44 Americans in Iran were held there against their will for 444 days .

Jimmy Carter sent in a rescue effort which failed miserably, some of our soldiers I believe died in that effort. The Shah croaked, finally, having been the cause of near-world turmoil during that time. The hostages had suffered horrible treatment, including Russian-Roulette games, and mock executions. The hostages were officially released 20 minutes after Ronald Reagan completed his inaugural speech as President.


In the late '80s and early '90s, Colin Powell, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, it was widely reported after the fact, of course, that Powell had clandestinely, circumventing Congressional approval, sent some several thousands of Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs) to Iran! Some years later, those missiles were suspected of being used in attempts to shoot down civilian airliners.


How do you suppose our standing with Iran has been since that caper? imp
 
like this commentary by Dennis Prager where he says in part,


Many in the West denied the darkness of Nazism. They looked the other way when that evil could have been stopped and then appeased it as it became stronger.

We are reliving 1938. British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain went to Munich to negotiate with Adolf Hitler. He left believing Hitler's promises of peace in exchange for Germany being allowed to annex large parts of Czechoslovakia. Upon returning to England, Chamberlain announced, "Peace for our time."

The American and European negotiations with Iran have so precisely mirrored 1938 that you have to wonder how anyone could not see it.
 
Obama said if we don't go with his idea then there will be war. That is who said that. Who will fire the first shot? No question for that as Iran has said they would do that.

Actually, if Iran wants a war now would be a good time. We should join with all those folks fighting ISIS and make sure we keep all that energy heading straight into Iran as we chase the ISIS folks. Best to do that now before ISIS knocks off all those trying to stop ISIS. Later on far too many of the resisters will be overcome and our part to stop them will be much bigger and tougher.

Yes, ISIS does seem to be coming from the Sunni beliefs, but the Sunni are already fighting the ISIS and are calling Iran and their militant groups a bunch of terrorists too. Plenty of evil in this world and no reason for us to wait till we are the only ones standing to start our defenses. Sort of like 1938 and 1941 ways of thinking.
 
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We are reliving 1938. British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain went to Munich to negotiate with Adolf Hitler. He left believing Hitler's promises of peace in exchange for Germany being allowed to annex large parts of Czechoslovakia. Upon returning to England, Chamberlain announced, "Peace for our time."

The American and European negotiations with Iran have so precisely mirrored 1938 that you have to wonder how anyone could not see it.

Explaining in large part, my Grandpa's hatred for the Germans. He was born in the Sudetenland invaded by Hitler. imp
 
Obama said if we don't go with his idea then there will be war. That is who said that. Who will fire the first shot? No question for that as Iran has said they would do that.

Actually, if Iran wants a war now would be a good time.

I suspect when the shouting and mongering are over, it may be Israel who fires the first shot. Wouldn't be the first time, either! imp
 

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