Is The Lockdown Paradigm Collapsing?

Malibu WAS a pristine part of the southern California coastline. Then came the snotty university and it's self-important residents. So, good-bye precious and pristine. Dragon? Would you prefer . . . Smith or Jones???
Movie stars began the "Malibu Colony" back in the 1930s. Its gorgeous weather, beautiful beach, and proximity to Los Angeles (and Hollywood) has always been a big drawing card.

When I moved to Los Angeles in 1970, Malibu was already home to the wealthy. Pepperdine's Malibu campus didn't open up until 1972 (most of the land was donated to the university).

Even so, I'm not sure what you have against Pepperdine. Its gorgeous campus is hardly a blight on the landscape. If it weren't there that land would undoubtedly be rows of expensive mansions. Can't see how that would be an improvement...
 

I look at evidence like the increase in deaths year over year.
Without looking into how they are classified, you wouldn't get a very good idea. For example, if someone dies in an auto crash but had tested positive for covid or antibodies, it's counted most places as a covid death. Also problematic is that the CDC has never been very good at counting so it has given great license for MEs, hospitals and physicians to cast a wide net. If that doesn't satisfy you, how about written statements from the chief investigator for the Fulton County's Medical Examiner's office, Dennis McGowan. He writes"

Over the 30+ years that I spent managing aspects of death investigation, I was always determined to uncover every piece of information that would lead to the filing of an accurate death certificate. That brings me to the big lie. Death certificates are pretty uniform in their structure, and they call for strict accuracy in listing the relevant details. There are five critical lines on a death certificate, each having its own contribution to the final conclusion.
The first (top) line is "Immediate Cause of Death." This is where the actual terminal event is recorded. This line is followed by three more, all labeled "Due To," where contributors to the immediate cause, in declining order, are listed. An example of this structure might be Immediate Cause listed as Cerebral Hemorrhage, and the first Due To line might be Gunshot Wound. Very direct. In the event that there are other contributors in the cascade of Due To notations, they would follow, in descending order. Finally, there is a line called "Other Significant Conditions," which serves as a catch-all for relevant, non-fatal items. In the example above, this line might read Severe Depression to explain why there was a gunshot wound to the head.
You can imagine how many death certificates I've seen in my career, but you can't imagine the number of death certificates that are being fraudulently tallied in this current pandemic. Someone in some bureaucrat's office decided that if COVID appears anywhere on a death certificate, it is counted as a COVID death, even if it isn't. If COVID is on the Immediate Cause line, it is clearly a COVID death. If it is on the first Due To line, it might be a COVID death in a person with a significant comorbidity. If it is on the second or third Due To line, it may or may not have a role in the death, but if it appears in the Other Significant Conditions line, it is not a COVID death, yet it is being counted as one. An example is the fellow who crashed his motorcycle and tested positive for COVID. This is fraud masquerading as science.
How many actual COVID deaths have there been? Who knows? Last year, when the publicly advertised number hit 200,000, there was speculation that the actual number could be as low as 10 or 12 thousand. Today, just based on statistical probability, it is certainly under the 500,000 reported in the media, and maybe a lot less. Two publicly reported examples of this fraud are the fellow in Florida who died in a motorcycle crash but had been COVID-positive earlier and was certified as a COVID death, and then the two gunshot deaths in Colorado that were called COVID deaths because the decedents had been positive weeks before. One study that has been released that has scientific integrity was from Minnesota, where the COVID positive rate was determined to be overstated by 40%.
Whether you believe this or not is your issue, not mine.
 

@JonDouglas: Since Mr. McGowan retired from the Medical Examiner's office in 2004 and is now working as a patient and family advocate in a small hospital, his credibility and insider information regarding Covid death certificates are seriously limited.

His few anecdotally cited cases (that may or may not be internet nonsense) does not invalidate the statistics, no more than a handful of unreported Covid deaths might.

And whether you believe this or not, is your issue, not mine.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dennis-mcgowan-3866305
 
@JonDouglas: Since Mr. McGowan retired from the Medical Examiner's office in 2004 and is now working as a patient and family advocate in a small hospital, his credibility and insider information regarding Covid death certificates are seriously limited.

His few anecdotally cited cases (that may or may not be internet nonsense) does not invalidate the statistics, no more than a handful of unreported Covid deaths might.

And whether you believe this or not, is your issue, not mine.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dennis-mcgowan-3866305
I suspect his retirement has little to do with what he knows about the process, given how such people maintain professional contacts. I got the same information from people here locally who were concerned about how things were being reported. Here's another clue from unu.edo for people with little appreciation for or familiarity with various statistical counting methods:

However, instead of counting us all in the denominator — in many countries including the US — only people sick enough to go to the hospital are counted. People sick enough to go to the hospital are more likely to need critical care, and patients in critical condition are more likely to die than patients with mild symptoms. This means the fatality rate looks higher than it really is.
Further, even when we are testing — depending on the type of test used — we may only be counting people who are actively infected, not those who had it and are thus currently immune. This again will lead to an underestimate of the denominator.
 
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Without looking into how they are classified, you wouldn't get a very good idea. For example, if someone dies in an auto crash but had tested positive for covid or antibodies, it's counted most places as a covid death. Also problematic is that the CDC has never been very good at counting so it has given great license for MEs, hospitals and physicians to cast a wide net. If that doesn't satisfy you, how about written statements from the chief investigator for the Fulton County's Medical Examiner's office, Dennis McGowan. He writes"

Over the 30+ years that I spent managing aspects of death investigation, I was always determined to uncover every piece of information that would lead to the filing of an accurate death certificate. That brings me to the big lie. Death certificates are pretty uniform in their structure, and they call for strict accuracy in listing the relevant details. There are five critical lines on a death certificate, each having its own contribution to the final conclusion.
The first (top) line is "Immediate Cause of Death." This is where the actual terminal event is recorded. This line is followed by three more, all labeled "Due To," where contributors to the immediate cause, in declining order, are listed. An example of this structure might be Immediate Cause listed as Cerebral Hemorrhage, and the first Due To line might be Gunshot Wound. Very direct. In the event that there are other contributors in the cascade of Due To notations, they would follow, in descending order. Finally, there is a line called "Other Significant Conditions," which serves as a catch-all for relevant, non-fatal items. In the example above, this line might read Severe Depression to explain why there was a gunshot wound to the head.
You can imagine how many death certificates I've seen in my career, but you can't imagine the number of death certificates that are being fraudulently tallied in this current pandemic. Someone in some bureaucrat's office decided that if COVID appears anywhere on a death certificate, it is counted as a COVID death, even if it isn't. If COVID is on the Immediate Cause line, it is clearly a COVID death. If it is on the first Due To line, it might be a COVID death in a person with a significant comorbidity. If it is on the second or third Due To line, it may or may not have a role in the death, but if it appears in the Other Significant Conditions line, it is not a COVID death, yet it is being counted as one. An example is the fellow who crashed his motorcycle and tested positive for COVID. This is fraud masquerading as science.
How many actual COVID deaths have there been? Who knows? Last year, when the publicly advertised number hit 200,000, there was speculation that the actual number could be as low as 10 or 12 thousand. Today, just based on statistical probability, it is certainly under the 500,000 reported in the media, and maybe a lot less. Two publicly reported examples of this fraud are the fellow in Florida who died in a motorcycle crash but had been COVID-positive earlier and was certified as a COVID death, and then the two gunshot deaths in Colorado that were called COVID deaths because the decedents had been positive weeks before. One study that has been released that has scientific integrity was from Minnesota, where the COVID positive rate was determined to be overstated by 40%.
Whether you believe this or not is your issue, not mine.
I agree though it's not popular here. This whole thing strikes me as a well constructed ploy for power and keeping it through instilling fear and conformity until people are paralyzed.
 
Movie stars began the "Malibu Colony" back in the 1930s. Its gorgeous weather, beautiful beach, and proximity to Los Angeles (and Hollywood) has always been a big drawing card.

When I moved to Los Angeles in 1970, Malibu was already home to the wealthy. Pepperdine's Malibu campus didn't open up until 1972 (most of the land was donated to the university).

Even so, I'm not sure what you have against Pepperdine. Its gorgeous campus is hardly a blight on the landscape. If it weren't there that land would undoubtedly be rows of expensive mansions. Can't see how that would be an improvement...
Screw the movie stars, screw the wealthy, screw LA, screw Pepperdine, screw the University of California at Santa Cruz et cetera. All of these so-called "improvements" ruined the beautiful California coastline. Same goes for Carmel, once an artist colony now an overrun tourist trap. UGH. I cannot and will not be open minded about it. Soon I will be outta here and won't look back. I have very fond memories of California before the onslaught but that's all in the past. Thank god for the Big Sur Land Trust!

Frankly, I'm no longer so proud of my deep history in the state as they contributed to taking the land from the natives and raping the land for profit. I suppose that's just human nature . . .

Enjoy what's left. You can have it.
 
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I agree though it's not popular here. This whole thing strikes me as a well constructed ploy for power and keeping it through instilling fear and conformity until people are paralyzed.
I don't know that I'd go that far but must admit it can look that way, given all the inconsistencies in the whole scheme of things. Some will write that off as dealing with something totally new, but that is a lie. Covid-19 is just another cold/influenza variant, which is exactly what Fauci originally said it was before something or somebody caused him to change his tune.
 
California has plenty of residents to spare. Anyone who dislikes the politics is more than welcome to leave - and if they want to take a few friends with them, that's ok, too.

It won't hurt the feelings of those of us who love California - trust me.
Exactly, there are more suitable states to move to that are more the feudal mecca some people seek.
As for the "so many people leaving california" statistics, of course what is omitted is how many people are moving TO California. The real estate industry(which is huge in Calif) knows what the trends really are.
 
Screw the movie stars, screw the wealthy, screw LA, screw Pepperdine, screw the University of California at Santa Cruz et cetera. All of these so-called "improvements" ruined the beautiful California coastline. Same goes for Carmel, once an artist colony now an overrun tourist trap. UGH. I cannot and will not be open minded about it. Soon I will be outta here and won't look back. I have very fond memories of California before the onslaught but that's all in the past. Thank god for the Big Sur Land Trust!

Frankly, I'm no longer so proud of my deep history in the state as they contributed to taking the land from the natives and raping the land for profit. I suppose that's just human nature . . .

Enjoy what's left. You can have it.
Don't hold back SetWave, tell us how you really feel. :cool:
 
Malibu WAS a pristine part of the southern California coastline. Then came the snotty university and it's self-important residents. So, good-bye precious and pristine. Dragon? Would you prefer . . . Smith or Jones???
I remember droves of Hippies (mainly immigrating from San Fransisco) started basically squatting on LA beaches in the late 60s, and them and the surfers gave each other a really hard time clear into the mid-70s. Sometimes fights broke out and people got arrested. One of the main complaints were that the Hippies were leaving trash strewn all over the beaches, and another was that Hippies and Surfers couldn't tolerate each others music. :p
 
Feudal mecca? Not sure what you mean. Could you explain?
Simply put: Some people snivel about the higher taxes in Calif. but don't mind availing themselves of the infrastructure and services higher taxes provide. Some don't like the political climate that supports a higher standard, so I say them those: go ahead a leave, I'm quite sure some state with 3rd world standards will be awaiting your arrival.
 
Simply put: Some people snivel about the higher taxes in Calif. but don't mind availing themselves of the infrastructure and services higher taxes provide. Some don't like the political climate that supports a higher standard, so I say them those: go ahead a leave, I'm quite sure some state with 3rd world standards will be awaiting your arrival.
Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining.
 
I don't know that I'd go that far but must admit it can look that way, given all the inconsistencies in the whole scheme of things. Some will write that off as dealing with something totally new, but that is a lie. Covid-19 is just another cold/influenza variant, which is exactly what Fauci originally said it was before something or somebody caused him to change his tune.

I don't know that I'd go that far but must admit it can look that way, given all the o inconsistencies in the whole scheme of things. Some will write that off as dealing with something totally new, but that is a lie. Covid-19 is just another cold/influenza variant, which is exactly what Fauci originally said it was before something or somebody caused him to change his tune.

I don't know that I'd go that far but must admit it can look that way, given all the inconsistencies in the whole scheme of things. Some will write that off as dealing with something totally new, but that is a lie. Covid-19 is just another cold/influenza variant, which is exactly what Fauci originally said it was before something or somebody caused him to change his tune.
Who and/or what caused his change is running this whole "show" and that causes me extreme concern because it's based upon less than complete truth at a time when we need complete truth.
 
Who and/or what caused his change is running this whole "show" and that causes me extreme concern because it's based upon less than complete truth at a time when we need complete truth.
I could suggest a number of hypotheses that might answer that question but they're unproven and would get into politics, which this site fortunately prohibits. I can say that federal government bureaucracies are quite political and carefully craft their messaging to their agenda. As you might guess, messaging to CYA is not unheard of.
 
Saw in one of the news aggregators that lockdown and masking was taking another media hit.

States including Texas and Florida, which have completely reopened, are reporting fewer coronavirus cases than Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York, which have COVID-19 restrictions and mask mandates in place, according CDC data. More at ource: Daily Mail.
Then, I remembered this article, saying "Masks Are A Ticking Time Bomb", which may be a data point worthy of some consideration.

You have to wonder if a lot of this could have been prevented much sooner if people had just ignored the panic and hysteria and gone about their normal lives, only quarantining the sick.
 
As you know, one of the greatest tools available to politicians to control people is fear.

Well... they're controlling you all right. I have not read so much nonsense in a long time.

Ooops! and did you know there are more carcinogens emitted from your motorbike than those masks you are afraid of? Tut tut!
 
Without looking into how they are classified, you wouldn't get a very good idea. For example, if someone dies in an auto crash but had tested positive for covid or antibodies, it's counted most places as a covid death. Also problematic is that the CDC has never been very good at counting so it has given great license for MEs, hospitals and physicians to cast a wide net. If that doesn't satisfy you, how about written statements from the chief investigator for the Fulton County's Medical Examiner's office, Dennis McGowan. He writes"

Over the 30+ years that I spent managing aspects of death investigation, I was always determined to uncover every piece of information that would lead to the filing of an accurate death certificate. That brings me to the big lie. Death certificates are pretty uniform in their structure, and they call for strict accuracy in listing the relevant details. There are five critical lines on a death certificate, each having its own contribution to the final conclusion.
The first (top) line is "Immediate Cause of Death." This is where the actual terminal event is recorded. This line is followed by three more, all labeled "Due To," where contributors to the immediate cause, in declining order, are listed. An example of this structure might be Immediate Cause listed as Cerebral Hemorrhage, and the first Due To line might be Gunshot Wound. Very direct. In the event that there are other contributors in the cascade of Due To notations, they would follow, in descending order. Finally, there is a line called "Other Significant Conditions," which serves as a catch-all for relevant, non-fatal items. In the example above, this line might read Severe Depression to explain why there was a gunshot wound to the head.
You can imagine how many death certificates I've seen in my career, but you can't imagine the number of death certificates that are being fraudulently tallied in this current pandemic. Someone in some bureaucrat's office decided that if COVID appears anywhere on a death certificate, it is counted as a COVID death, even if it isn't. If COVID is on the Immediate Cause line, it is clearly a COVID death. If it is on the first Due To line, it might be a COVID death in a person with a significant comorbidity. If it is on the second or third Due To line, it may or may not have a role in the death, but if it appears in the Other Significant Conditions line, it is not a COVID death, yet it is being counted as one. An example is the fellow who crashed his motorcycle and tested positive for COVID. This is fraud masquerading as science.
How many actual COVID deaths have there been? Who knows? Last year, when the publicly advertised number hit 200,000, there was speculation that the actual number could be as low as 10 or 12 thousand. Today, just based on statistical probability, it is certainly under the 500,000 reported in the media, and maybe a lot less. Two publicly reported examples of this fraud are the fellow in Florida who died in a motorcycle crash but had been COVID-positive earlier and was certified as a COVID death, and then the two gunshot deaths in Colorado that were called COVID deaths because the decedents had been positive weeks before. One study that has been released that has scientific integrity was from Minnesota, where the COVID positive rate was determined to be overstated by 40%.
Whether you believe this or not is your issue, not mine.
I'd say taking excess deaths in 2020 over the last few years should work fine. Doing that, I believe there were some 377,000 extra deaths in 2020. The CDC reports more than 2.9 million deaths in the U.S. in 2020; there were at least 377,000 more deaths in 2020 compared to previous years - Health Feedback
 
Well... they're controlling you all right. I have not read so much nonsense in a long time.

Ooops! and did you know there are more carcinogens emitted from your motorbike than those masks you are afraid of? Tut tut!
I'm afraid of masks? Who knew? Personally, I've always been able to distinguish between dislike and fear and suggest others ought to learn the difference.. Finally, worrying about particulate matter from my 56 mpg vehicle hasn't been high on my list but if you're into such thoughts, please factor burn rate over distance and time into whatever particulate theory you're throwing around these days.
 

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