Is this true? "If it's meant to be, it will be."

Gaer

Gaer

"Angel whisperer"
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My Grandmother didn't say much to me except, "Oof ta fa Sauten" (?????)
but she did tell me once, "If it's meant to be, it will be."
She said this directly to me, as if it were something important I was supposed to remember.
What are your thoughts? a pre-set life plan or free will?
 

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I think neither one.

I do not think that we lead predestined lives, nor do I think every choice we make stems from having free will. The choices of other people and/or governments, businesses, etc., can effect our choices in ways we could not have foreseen. I think that to be pure free will, there has to also be knowing everything that will impact our choices so that we can make the best or worst ones, depending upon our situations.

We have individual differences that make our choices, if given the same ones, be different. Our subconscious mind effects our choices. The unknown and unknowable effects our choices. Changes in our brains effect our choices - from addictions to cocaine and heroin, to diseases, to experiences, to our perceptions.

If I trace back someone's addiction to cocaine, assuming I know them well enough, I can usually spot their breaking point in their narrative of their life. At the time, they were not in the position to refuse to try cocaine to lessen their pain. They did not have other options. And why not? Because the person who has the most choices regarding many of life's problems, is the one who has plenty of money.

What do the poorest do, why can't they get free mental health care, or free legal services? All that free stuff! Trouble is, it isn't always available, and it doesn't seem to me to be handled by the most trained and dedicated professionals. Usually the professionals are overworked, and in mental health they are insufficiently trained. Lawyers have too many cases, too, and there is no way they can do justice to each client. They are often in the position of just processing cases. That's what happens when a public lawyer is in charge of 100 cases or more. There is no one to hand some of them off to. Also, these professionals get paid very little. Too few people are willing to work for such a pittance, unless they have an additional way to pay their bills. Being a professional who works for the poor is no a very respected occupation. There are plenty of their colleagues who figure only people who can't get good jobs do that sort of work.

Having plenty of money is the key to having more choices, is all I'm saying. But no matter what, I don't see how not having the full picture of what will impact those choices, can be called free will. Having predestined lives smacks of us being robots. I've only heard of predestination in a religious setting, and I think it is a bunch of hooey.

As for the if it's meant to be line of thought, my question is who means it to be? And what does it say about them if what is meant to be is tragic, or given to the exact wrong person to have it? It is especially beyond my ken how someone can say "it was meant to be" to a grieving person.
 

Gaer said:
My Grandmother didn't say much to me except, "Oof ta fa Sauten" (?????)
but she did tell me once, "If it's meant to be, it will be."
She said this directly to me, as if it were something important I was supposed to remember.
What are your thoughts? a pre-set life plan or free will?
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Maybe a little of both. Reading stories about the twins separated at birth and later determining they married people with the same name, smoked the same brand, or flush the toilet before using seems to suggest some type of pre-set in that respect.
 
I don't believe in pre-destiny.
Life is filled to over flowing with accidental meetings. The more active and social we are, the greater the chances of meeting a significant other. However, even after meeting her/him we need to be aware that they may be carrying heavy "baggage".
 
There is both.... and i have seen it in action in my life.
I know that sounds crazy but when i have had moments of doubt or real down moments...... something seems to happen in its place

Example:
First week of July ...... i had a job interview went really well .............lady said "when can you start we will get things rolling"
HR will contact you asap to move forward....did not hear that week which i thought was odd, but lady had said they were running behind etc ......
when i emailed for update they sent a thanks but we are going another way response ........
i was angry for a moment............... then in frustration in car ........ I was saying aloud "it is not like the best jobs i had while temp are just going to call me out of the blue "

Yes, they called last Friday ........... meet with them this week ... if the other item went through I would not be available ......... too weird this sort of "coincidence "
has happened more then a few times.
things so unbelievable I cannot write it off as dumb luck.
i have met people who gave me insight and a lesson at the perfect moment that formed me ........ then disappeared out of my life.

I can not explain those who have bad outcomes perhaps they fought change / insight....
it is only when i am ready to embrace the nudges or what ever that i can see them clearly when they happen.
Not trying to convince anyone .......it is something a person need to see/ experience for themselves.
 
Gaer said:
My Grandmother didn't say much to me except, "Oof ta fa Sauten" (?????)
but she did tell me once, "If it's meant to be, it will be."
She said this directly to me, as if it were something important I was supposed to remember.
What are your thoughts? a pre-set life plan or free will?
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I believe we were given free will but at the same time I believe there's a path we're meant to take whether we like it or not.
 
"Doris Day's character sang it to herself in a scene from the 1960 film Please Don't Eat the Daisies, and the song later became the theme song for her sitcom The Doris Day Show, which ran from 1968-73."
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/doris-day/que-sera-sera-whatever-will-be-will-be

"SongfactsĀ®:​

  • Running just 2:01, this song points out, quite effectively, how we can't predict the future. The first of the three verses finds Doris Day asking her mother if she'll grow up to be pretty and rich. Instead of the stock parental reply of "you can be anything you want to be," her mother comes back with something much more profound: whatever will be, will be.

    In the next verse, she asks the man she loves if they will live a happy life together, and he gives her the same answer. In the last verse, she has kids of her own and imparts this same wisdom."
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"Whatever you find to do with your hands, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom.

I saw something else under the sun:
The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong;

neither is the bread to the wise, nor the wealth to the intelligent, nor the favor to the skillful.

For time and chance happen to all.

For surely no man knows his time:

Like fish caught in a cruel net or birds trapped in a snare, so

men are ensnared in an evil time

that suddenly falls upon them.ā€¦
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MarciKS said:
I believe we were given free will but at the same time I believe there's a path we're meant to take whether we like it or not.
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I think that our personality, in large part, CAN determine the path we will take throughout life. That personality is formed in our childhood. But, we can change ourselves IF we have the will power to do so.
 
senior chef said:
I don't believe in pre-destiny.
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I think there is a lot of randomness in life.

I got a certain kind of cancer, even though I have none of the usual prerequisites for it. I didn't like having it. I escaped the why did this happen to me trap because I realized it was a totally random occurrence. I wasn't specially chosen for it or by it.

Kind of like winning the lottery is random. Or having certain parents is random. Or even being ourselves ... what if a different egg had been fertilized or a different sperm had done the fertilizing? I would not still be myself.
 
senior chef said:
I think that our personality, in large part, CAN determine the path we will take throughout life. That personality is formed in our childhood. But, we can change ourselves IF we have the will power to do so.
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I'm not talking about our personalities. I'm just talking about the lives we lead in general. I think the mistakes we make along the way while we're using our free will help us to learn to be better in life as we move along to the next area of our lives. Hope that makes sense. If for some reason God has predestined our existence then if it's meant to be it will be regardless of whatever changes we make to our lives. I believe God has a hand in the things that we change about ourselves to improve ourselves. That then changes the course.
 
Gaer said:
My Grandmother didn't say much to me except, "Oof ta fa Sauten" (?????)
but she did tell me once, "If it's meant to be, it will be."
She said this directly to me, as if it were something important I was supposed to remember.
What are your thoughts? a pre-set life plan or free will?
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I like the thought of life is like a road with a predestined path. We may
 
StillLearning said:
I like the thought of life is like a road with a predestined path. We may
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I like the thought of life is like a road with a predestined path. We may use our free will to veer of the main road but sooner or later we will be back on track on the main road. Nothing else Iā€™ve heard makes more sense to me than this.
What do you think Gaer?
 
StillLearning said:
I like the thought of life is like a road with a predestined path. We may use our free will to veer of the main road but sooner or later we will be back on track on the main road. Nothing else Iā€™ve heard makes more sense to me than this.
What do you think Gaer?
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The same. Our life is loosely planned prior to our birth on the Earth by our soul and talking with our Angels.
Deformities, illnesses, disabilities, even the time of death are all agreed prior to this short life to make amends for past actions
and evolve closer to the Absolute Being. These amends are not necessary, but the soul wants to be close to the God.
(There are certain areas of growth and evolution of the soul that can only be experienced in a physical body).
These are truths given to me by the Angels, so I have come to believe their words.
Free will can cause erroneous decisions sometimes. Thought and the mind are in the relative field but your soul
is in the absolute field of awareness.
What you said is very true.
 
I believe that some of our thoughts have power to materialize, but God and the angels have some of their own plans for every critter on Earth. Some of my plans that I worked on with much will power and dedication failed, but something better, magically materialized.
 
Reminds me of a line from the movie "The best exotic Marigold Hotel"

"Everything will be all right in the end... if it's not all right then it's not yet the end."

I just discovered that this expression has it's origins in Paul's letter to the church in Ephesus
 
I think it's one of those reassurances people use to console. But it's one of those phrases that in reality doesn't mean much. When a high school girl tells her mother she wants a certain boy to like her, telling her, "If it's meant to be...," does little to solve her problem or show her the way to a more adult perspective. It implies that even if you want something, it is out of your hands, when in fact you may well be able to influence the outcome.

I don't believe in predetermined destiny. It's poetic, and it nice to think it exists as a positive force, but I don't believe there is such a thing.
 
"If it's meant to be, it will be."

Only if you believe all we consider good or wrong in our world was pre set. Pre set by ?
 

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