Is this what's called the richochete effect?

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the Independent reports that UK has just cut $55 mm in foreign aid to a number of poorer countries and that Chinas owners of a steel plant in UK have been accused of attempted sabotage of the plant??

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latest ozzie news ABC channel - some people with holiday visa are being turned back and put on planes to leave USA

latest news ABC OZ - some holiday makers with uptodate visas being turned back and refused entry into USA - not good for the image heh?? will try and get a link if possible - not good for all our relationships for sure?
 
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smiley said:
latest ozzie news ABC channel - some people with holiday visa are being turned back and put on planes to leave USA

latest news ABC OZ - some holiday makers with uptodate visas being turned back and refused entry into USA - not good for the image heh?? will try and get a link if possible - not good for all our relationships for sure?
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Are you referring to this type of thing?:

"Claim: Australian Man Denied Entry To USA For Flying Via Hong Kong On Cathay Pacific"
[link] Crazy: Australian Man Denied Entry To USA Because He Flew Via Hong Kong - Live and Let's Fly

"Australian with working visa detained and deported on returning to US from sister’s memorial" ("Man who says he had previously left and re-entered the country multiple times alleges border officials called him ‘retarded’ and boasted ‘Trump is back in town’")
[link] Australian with working visa detained and deported on returning to US from sister’s memorial


I read similar reports over the past couple of weeks, but only relating to UK & EU tourists entering the USA -- news reports with quite long articles. Some allegedly being held in chains for several days, but actual facts are a bit sketchy. ICE doesn't seem to give a lot away when asked for clarity. But some on social media are encouraging others not to visit the U.S., at least not for the next three & half years or so.


"It is like jail’: German man visiting American fiancé detained by ICE for over 2 weeks" ("U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers put him and his American fiancée in handcuffs after they tried to enter the San Diego-Mexico border from Tijuana" "They accused me [of living] in America instead of visiting, but there was no proof that I overstayed anything,”)
[link] https://www.10news.com/news/team-10...rican-fiance-detained-by-ice-for-over-2-weeks
 

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From The Guardian:​

"What Australians flying to the US need to know about phone and device searches at the border"​

"If you are an Australian travelling to the United States, recent reports of travellers having their devices searched at the border and being refused entry might give you pause for thought."

"A French scientist was recently denied entry to the US after immigration officers [link] found messages on his phone critical of Donald Trump. German and British citizens have also [link] encountered problems at US airports, according to reports."

"Here’s what you need to know and what you can do if you are heading to the US."
What Australians flying to the US need to know about phone and device searches at the border
 
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Pepper said:
Shocking and wrong
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I'm not entirely sure what to believe. I've been to the US on many occasions, two of my past GF's are from there. I like to travel, but a few weeks ago I decided not to visit the US for a while. I like to think my thoughts on this will eventually change.
 
The French researcher in question was in possession of confidential information on his electronic device from Los Alamos National Laboratory— in violation of a non-disclosure agreement—something he admitted to taking without permission and attempted to conceal,” McLaughlin said in a post on X.

The incident happened on March 9, the Agence France-Presse (AFP) news agency reported, citing a diplomatic source familiar with the matter

. All visitors have the right to remain silent. But the burden of proof rests with visa holders. For example, if an officer asks if someone plans to work on their tourist visa, and that person remains silent, the officer is likely to deny them entry, Mr. Joseph said.

If a person is found inadmissible during questioning, they can withdraw their intent to enter the country and may then be allowed to travel back to their home country. Their visa is canceled and they often get the next flight home. But an officer can deny the withdrawal, at which point the visitor is detained.

Because these confrontations occur technically outside the country, the rights outlined in the U.S. Constitution do not apply, Mr. Joseph said, and detainees are not necessarily entitled to a lawyer. The government has about 90 days to deport people. That period can be extended if detainees don’t cooperate by providing the correct travel documents, at which point they can be subject to criminal proceedings. Following an order of removal, people are barred from entering the U.S. for five years.

Tourist Detentions at the U.S. Border: What International Visitors Should Know
 
it all boils down to chaos - an image of an unwelcoming democracy who sees sinister activities invading at every border - a country in sorta lockdown ; keeping the rest of the world out ? this is not good tourist propaganda??
 
I'm not opposed to increased scrutiny - that's good housekeeping - but some of the stories sound weird and not in the good spirit of "monitoring borders safely but wisely|
 

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