Agree and well said.
Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack
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hollydolly
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I'm not a Laurence Fox fan ... but this couldn't be more true...
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Sippican
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Hamas is here in the US. (based on factual information from wiretaps of actual conversations between Hamas leaders)
They are planning their attacks.
They are moving across our southern border with the help of the current political administration. They are being welcomed, given food, shelter, welfare, free medical care.
They will create multiple crises across the country when the timing is right.
Allowing terrorists entry into this country cannot be justified by any American, but, its allowed by the DC elites.
They are planning their attacks.
They are moving across our southern border with the help of the current political administration. They are being welcomed, given food, shelter, welfare, free medical care.
They will create multiple crises across the country when the timing is right.
Allowing terrorists entry into this country cannot be justified by any American, but, its allowed by the DC elites.
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I am pro-Palestinian and have watched their plight for years now, my heart goes out to all those innocent civilians.
I am not pro-Hamas......or any other terrorist group in the Middle East, Europe or the US for that matter.
I agree with you that it's not fair, and a disgrace to punish those who are protesting in favor of the Palestinian people, they are not if favor of murderers and terrorists. This world is screwed up, when people can't see and judge for themselves who are the victims and who are the aggressors. Folks just follow the loudest crowd, can't reason and think for themselves anymore it seems.
It has been my misfortune to have travelled on the tube at a time when pro-palestinian protestors have been travelling home from the marches in London and I can tell you that a vast number of their placards do bear slogans supporting Hamas and a hatred towards Isael and the Jewish people.
Claiming that anyone who does not agree with you must not be able to reason for themselves is, frankly, illogical. The fact that people have different opinions is evidence that they are more than capable of forming an opinion and expressing it, whether you agree with it or not.
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"Claiming that anyone who does not agree with you must not be able to reason for themselves is, frankly, illogical."
I disagree with a group of people skinning mother and fathers in front of their children, lighting the mother and fathers on fire, then raping their children....Yes, I do not agree with that thinking...call that illogical?
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What are the British people doing about this? When Muslims killed 3,000 Americans in New York, the only thing the American people did was a campaign to combat Islamophobia. There was a military response to fight Islamics overseas, but civilians just campaigned to combat Islamophobia. Now that Muslims have raped, tortured and killed over a thousand Israelis, the only action American civilians have taken is a campaign to combat Islamophobia. The military has a response overseas but civilians just take action to combat Islamophobia.
The White House is working on a strategy to combat Islamophobia. Many Muslim Americans are skeptical
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I remember, @Pepper ... and will not be forgetting. It was not Hamas I saw *dancing* in the Gaza streets when the towers fell... it was "regular" Palestinians. It was not Hamas (well, at least visibly, I mean) cheering and celebrating every time the casualty numbers climbed... it was "regular" Palestinians. Of course they're not all like that, but it seems to be ingrained and no amount of people claiming it's a peaceful religion/society will change any of that. I can claim I'm a giraffe until I'm blue in the long neck and it still won't make me a giraffe.
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Devi
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I love Laurence Fox. I'm sorry to see that what's happening here is also happening there.
So true.
Here's another thing that is very interesting since you mentioned the DC elites. Both the Hamas/Palestine supporters and the Israel supporters generally support the same elites in this country. Now we see those elites being pressured by one side to support Israel and the other side to make Israel back off.
The elites want the support of both sides so how will US policy be decided?
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I do not understand your response @Sippican. I assume you are asking me a question and I have no idea as to why you would ask whether I would find it illogical to disagree with the barbaric acts you mention. If that is the case, obviously not and I have never suggested otherwise. I can only think that my earlier post is unclear so, for the sake of clarity:
"I agree with you that it's not fair, and a disgrace to punish those who are protesting in favor of the Palestinian people, they are not if favor of murderers and terrorists. This world is screwed up, when people can't see and judge for themselves who are the victims and who are the aggressors. Folks just follow the loudest crowd, can't reason and think for themselves anymore it seems."
I disagree with Seabreeze's view that "those who are protesting in favour of the Palestinian people are not in favour of murders and terrorists". While I do not believe that every single protestor is a Hamas supporter, the majority of the placards I have seen stated both their support for Hamas as well as their hatred towards Jewish people.
What I suggested was illogcal was the second point, that "folks just follow the loudest crowd, can't reason for themselves ...". You only have to read this thread and the media in general to see that there are a wide amount of opinions and just because they do not echo your opinion does not mean they can't think for themselves, in fact, it suggests otherwise.
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Exactly. I've wondered this too. And how are Hollywood elites coping? The cause is Islamophobia however their friends, bosses, family, etc. are Jewish.
Nobody knows who to hate anymore.
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A leading cast member of a Continuing Drama ( Ex Soap opera) in the UK (Maureen Lipman) a well know comedian and tv personality in her 70's..had to have personal security accompanying her to the studios yesterday due to threats on her life. Her 'crime' is to be Jewish.....I have never known her to make any comments on the current issues ..altho' I'm sure she has very strong opinions in the confines of her own home.. yet she's been targeted..
I never thought in my lifetime, I would ever see the Jewish people be under such threat again... certainly not less than a 100 years since the last terrible genocides... it sickens me to my core.
What part of these supporters of Palestine are not understanding that they attacked Israel first.. it's a Cardinal rule in life wherever you are , wharever you go.. if you don't want to get hurt , don't go attacking innocent people...
yet just like all bullies.. they attacked in the most vicious and vile way possible.. and when they got their commeuppance , no only did they start wailing and screaming that they were the victims..... they've got people worldwide on their side... what madness is this ?... it's a repeat of 1939... Nazi Germany...
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Knight
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Claims that Islam is a religion of peace falls woefully short when people that use religion based thought process have no problem committing the kind of atrocities Hamas has.
If hate is to be decided then it seems to me it's a no brainer. Hate the kind of leadership & followers that promote what took place against Israel on Oct. 7th.
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So far it’s been decided by the military spending billions fighting Islamic Jihadists overseas while American civilians campaign to combat Islamophobia here at home. I know that's schizophrenic but it's the state of the Union.
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One of the clever things the Muslim jihadists have done is to name their groups a hundred different names like Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boco Haram, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and so on, so the press and gullible Americans will call them something other than Muslims. And therefore never connect the dots. And Muslims can run about saying not all Muslims or not all Palestinians are Hamas. Which of course is true. They might be something else like the Palestinian Islamic Jihad or Hezbollah or something. Hopefully this name game and the shame game of calling people who examine them Islamophobic, will wear thin and Americans will start looking at the Islamic theology that is creating all these groups.
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I've never wished more that I could say to someone "no, you're wrong"... but I can't... you're not wrong. I've thought about this a lot lately and how it's repeating the most horrible dark part of history and it's like no one sees what's happening. Selective amnesia because they don't want to see it?
I remember when my daughter studied the Holocaust in... probably middle school. She was so teary talking to me about Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Kristallnacht (which was November 9/10, 1938 by the way) etc. And she asked me if anything like that could ever happen again. I suppose you all know what my answer was.
"Oh my, NO it couldn't... at least we don't have to worry about THAT any longer." Who would have ever thought it could?
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Devi
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I think many people see it. I read about it online. It's just that there's been and is again a push to label any complaint "islamophobia" — and we're not to say anything. As if.I've never wished more that I could say to someone "no, you're wrong"... but I can't... you're not wrong. I've thought about this a lot lately and how it's repeating the most horrible dark part of history and it's like no one sees what's happening. Selective amnesia because they don't want to see it?
I remember when my daughter studied the Holocaust in... probably middle school. She was so teary talking to me about Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Kristallnacht (which was November 9/10, 1938 by the way) etc. And she asked me if anything like that could ever happen again. I suppose you all know what my answer was.
There's the wide-open Southern U.S. border. Trump tried to close it with a wall; now they're tearing down the wall. Aside from any one else, apparently lots of fighting-age males coming in that way, including Chinese. Remember those balloons that floated across the country a while back?
My thought is, it may get very strange. Stock up on what you need so you don't have to go out much. Food, gas, medicines, ways to contact people, generators, etc. You know — just in case.
ADDED: And ways to protect yourself.
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CallMeKate
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Yes... there's such a push not to offend anyone at all
that tunnel vision is blinding common sense. I just remembered something a friend told me years ago that his mama used to say... "always be open minded, but never so open minded that your brain falls out." And there's an unbelievably massive amount of smashed brains lying around. If the same brainless mindset had been going on in the 30s/40s, we'd probably be talking about the push to fight "Adolfaphobia."
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Anyone who believe that Islam is a religion of peace should check this out …
List of Islamic Terror Attacks
The unfortunate fact is that Islam is,and always has been, aggressively intolerant of ALL other religions. Mohammad began the aggression by attacking Middle Eastern Jews. Today Islam gave us 9/11 and daily attacks against other religions around the world. Iran, who backs Hamas, has a well known desire to develop nuclear weapons …
How Close Is Iran to Getting a Nuclear Weapon?
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Yes, that was the first concrete evidence of a shift in support for Israel by the US elite. Now the efforts of the pro-Hamas lobby are bearing more fruit as the US government has begun urging Israel to 'pause' the war. Pressure is being applied by a US Congresswoman who is threatening that Muslims will no longer support leaders who support Israel.
This while Hamas still holds Israelis and Americans hostage since October 7th when they murdered, beheaded, raped and kidnapped and STILL hold Israeli and American civilians. I believe Hamas still holds civilians from other countries as well.
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A Jewish woman has been stabbed at her own home in France - as police launch a manhunt for a suspect dressed in black after finding a Swastika painted on her door.
The victim, believed to be 30, was knifed twice in the stomach when she answered the door after hearing the doorbell ring at her home in Lyon.
The male attacker, who was dressed in black and wearing a mask according to the victim's statement, fled the scene and is still at large, Le Figaro reports. Investigators are probing CCTV footage in the area.
The woman was attacked at her home in the Montluc district, in the 3rd arrondissement of Lyon, at around 1pm today. She was rushed to a Lyon hospital and is not in a life-threatening condition.
The shocking attack comes as France faces a wave of anti-Semitic attacks in the wake of the Israel-Hamas war.
'The woman, who is 30, opened her door to someone, and was repeatedly insulted and physically attacked,' said an investigating source.
Her home was identified as a Jewish household because there was a mezuzah – a piece of parchment containing Jewish scripture – on the doorframe, said the source.
He added: 'Early enquires suggest an anti-Semitic murder attempt, especially since a Nazi Swastika was spray painted by the attacker on the front door, before he left.'
The woman was rushed to hospital by the emergency services, who were called by neighbours. On Saturday evening, her condition was described as 'very serious but not life threatening.'
A spokesman for Lyon prosecutors said: 'The initial findings have led the prosecution to open an investigation into attempted murder aggravated by the fact that the act could be motivated by an anti-Semitic motive.'
Local mayor Gregory Doucet meanwhile said there had been 'an unspeakable explosion of violence' linked to the Israel-Hamas War.
'A Jewish woman was stabbed this Saturday,' said Mr Doucet. 'An anti-Semitic inscription was found on the door of herhome. Such a surge of violence is unspeakable. All my support to the victim, and to her loved ones.'
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin has said that there have been '857 anti-Semitic acts' in France since the Hamas attacks on Israel on October 7.
Jewish woman, 30, is 'stabbed in stomach at her home in Lyon'
The victim, believed to be 30, was knifed twice in the stomach when she answered the door after hearing the doorbell ring at her home in Lyon.
The male attacker, who was dressed in black and wearing a mask according to the victim's statement, fled the scene and is still at large, Le Figaro reports. Investigators are probing CCTV footage in the area.
The woman was attacked at her home in the Montluc district, in the 3rd arrondissement of Lyon, at around 1pm today. She was rushed to a Lyon hospital and is not in a life-threatening condition.
The shocking attack comes as France faces a wave of anti-Semitic attacks in the wake of the Israel-Hamas war.
'The woman, who is 30, opened her door to someone, and was repeatedly insulted and physically attacked,' said an investigating source.
Her home was identified as a Jewish household because there was a mezuzah – a piece of parchment containing Jewish scripture – on the doorframe, said the source.
He added: 'Early enquires suggest an anti-Semitic murder attempt, especially since a Nazi Swastika was spray painted by the attacker on the front door, before he left.'
The woman was rushed to hospital by the emergency services, who were called by neighbours. On Saturday evening, her condition was described as 'very serious but not life threatening.'
A spokesman for Lyon prosecutors said: 'The initial findings have led the prosecution to open an investigation into attempted murder aggravated by the fact that the act could be motivated by an anti-Semitic motive.'
Local mayor Gregory Doucet meanwhile said there had been 'an unspeakable explosion of violence' linked to the Israel-Hamas War.
'A Jewish woman was stabbed this Saturday,' said Mr Doucet. 'An anti-Semitic inscription was found on the door of herhome. Such a surge of violence is unspeakable. All my support to the victim, and to her loved ones.'
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin has said that there have been '857 anti-Semitic acts' in France since the Hamas attacks on Israel on October 7.
Jewish woman, 30, is 'stabbed in stomach at her home in Lyon'
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Back in the day, when I worked for a living, I found myself in a bar waiting to meet a girl after work. A guy a few stools down was ranting to the bartender about his Jewish boss named Rosenblume. Over and over, “my God damn Jew boss” did this or that. Finally a pause and the bartender said “My name is Rosenblume” and the guy shut up. (-8
I have no doubt that pro-Palestinian protests are sprinkled with pro-Hamas individuals. Every protest is disrupted and often turned to violence by radical groups. The Black Lives Matter protests that objected to the modern day lynching of Black Americans were turned violent by the extremist group Proud Boys, who didn't give a damn about Black Americans being murdered by police for no good reason.
A rally in Virginia was connected to a White Supremacist group who marched with tiki torches in Charlottesville chanting JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US, BLOOD AND SOIL, etc.
Not all at these protests or rallies fall into line with the extremists who take advantage of the publicity and the desire to incite violence and chaos into peaceful activities.
Your placards about Hamas do not represent those who support Palestinian civilians who have been murders and the victims of war crimes for many years.
Anyone can disagree with me, that is their right, I really don't care. I'm not the type to force my opinions on anyone on any subject. You are making a good example of my original points, thank you for your contribution.
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