Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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OneEyedDiva said:
When I attended the big masjid, I knew the men there have respect for me and not only because of who my husband was, but the only one who ever addressed me personally was the Imam and that was out of necessity. Anyway, I said all that to say, I've only seen male reporters in Gaza. It's unlikely a male journalist would approach any of the Muslim women for an interview out of the respect for the Islamic tradition. So it's also very unlikely a Palestinian woman would get a chance to express her feelings about all of this.
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The treatment of women by Islam is one of its most horrifying aspects. I am not religious myself. I have no religious axe to grind, but we all have to draw a line at some of Islam‘s monstrosities of inhumanity. Unfortunately, horrors like the following are all too common.

”An 18-year-old Syrian Arab girl, Aida Hamoudi Saeedo, was recently executed by firing squad for refusing to marry her cousin. She lived with her parents and brother in the al-Hasaka region in northeastern Syria. Ostensibly she lived under her family’s protection, but the firing squad that executed her consisted of her own relatives.”
18-Year-Old Muslim Girl Executed by Family in “Honor Killing”

And here is the story of a child, abducted, forced to convert to Islam, and then forced to marry…
“Abducted, shackled and forced to marry at 12”
Abducted, shackled and forced to marry at 12

The UK has had a problem with immigrant Muslim families who surprise their young daughter that to day is her wedding day.
Thousands enslaved in forced marriages across UK, investigation finds
 
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These people go to other countries & continue to live there lives as if they are still in the Middle East. If they want to continue as they always have, they should have stayed where they came from.

Anyone (and I mean anyone) who goes to another country needs to:

~ Obey the laws of the nation they now reside in.
~ Respect the people who are citizens of that nation.
~ Assimilate into that nation by learning the language, history, customs & what it stands for.
~ Support that nation they are living in & put no other country or religion before it.
~ Earn a legal living to support themselves & their family ... no government handouts.
~ Teach their children to respect their new nation, it's laws, it's people & to be good citizen.
 
Lilac said:
Anyone (and I mean anyone) who goes to another country needs to:
~ Obey the laws of the nation they now reside in.
~ Respect the people who are citizens of that nation.
~ Assimilate into that nation by learning the language, history, customs & what it stands for.
~ Support that nation they are living in & put no other country or religion before it.
~ Earn a legal living to support themselves & their family ... no government handouts.
~ Teach their children to respect their new nation, it's laws, it's people & to be good citizen.
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Islam has its own laws, laws that take precedence over any local laws. These laws are administered by Sharia courts and are largely, but not entirely, aimed at the conduct of women.

“Today, UK has over 130 Sharia law courts. Although they technically lie within the UK's Tribunal Court system, these Sharia courts have been issuing rulings that contradict UK's common law.
In 2011, UK's Muslims began demanding that Sharia law replace British common law and become the only law in towns with large Muslim populations, including Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, Waltham Forest and Tower Hamlets, an East London Muslim enclave whose streets are already plastered with posters declaring, "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced" (below) and where Muslim imams have issued death threats to women who refuse to wear the Hijab“
Sharia Law In UK — Current Status of Islam's Sharia Law in the United Kingdom
 
ElCastor said:
Islam has its own laws, laws that take precedence over any local laws. These laws are administered by Sharia courts and are largely, but not entirely, aimed at the conduct of women.

“Today, UK has over 130 Sharia law courts. Although they technically lie within the UK's Tribunal Court system, these Sharia courts have been issuing rulings that contradict UK's common law.
In 2011, UK's Muslims began demanding that Sharia law replace British common law and become the only law in towns with large Muslim populations, including Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, Waltham Forest and Tower Hamlets, an East London Muslim enclave whose streets are already plastered with posters declaring, "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced" (below) and where Muslim imams have issued death threats to women who refuse to wear the Hijab“
Sharia Law In UK — Current Status of Islam's Sharia Law in the United Kingdom
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ElCastor said:
Careful, Sharia could be coming to the US, and may already be here in one way or another.

“Shariah in American Courts: The Expanding Incursion of Islamic Law in the U.S. Legal System”​

Shariah in American Courts: The Expanding Incursion of Islamic Law in the U.S. Legal System – Center for Security Policy
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Very sad reading what is happening in England.

I believe the states not listed in the link from your post #1156 need to follow the lead of those states who have ALAC.

Islam is showing the world, IMO, that they are actually a political entity with their own agenda & not a religion at all. Thank you for those links.
 
The legal system in Israel is complex and has different laws for Israeli and Palestinian people. Here are some examples:

  1. Military law: Israeli military law applies to Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, while Israeli civil law applies to Israeli settlers living in the same areas 1.
  2. Administrative detention: Israeli authorities can detain Palestinians without charge or trial for up to six months under administrative detention orders 1.
  3. Building permits: Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are required to obtain building permits from Israeli authorities, which are often difficult to obtain 1.
  4. Freedom of movement: Israeli authorities restrict the freedom of movement of Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip through a system of checkpoints, roadblocks, and other restrictions
 
Nov 30, 2023, 10:49 PM (GMT+2)
Sinwar: October 7 was 'just a rehearsal'

Hamas' Gaza leader threatens to repeat atrocities of October 7 in first public address since the massacre.​

Yahya Sinwar, the leader of the Hamas terrorist organization in Gaza and one of the masterminds of the October 7 massacre, boasted that the murder of over 1,200 people in southern Israel and the taking of 240 hostages was "just a rehearsal."

“The leaders of the occupation should know, October 7 was just a rehearsal,” Sinwar threatened in his first public address since the massacre today (Thursday), Maariv reported.'
 
"The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) estimates that there are 159 hostages still in Gaza out of about 240 taken on October 7, including children and women. Hamas claims that it can no longer find additional women and children, some of whom were given to other terrorist groups."
 
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I wonder if the "missing" women and children" who were supposedly given to "other" terrorist groups were actually killed. At any rate, when someone wants to wipe you off the face of the earth, I'd say you have just cause to fight back.
 
Devi said:
At any rate, when someone wants to wipe you off the face of the earth, I'd say you have just cause to fight back.
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Let me amend that: when someone wants to wipe you off the face of the earth and has made moves to do that, you have just cause to fight back.

I also believe the two-state solution was proposed years ago, but the Palestinians declined it.

AND, I think that when someone calls you "islamophobic", it's an attempt to shut you up.
 
New York Times reporting Netanyahu knew of pending, planned attack by Hamas and dismissed their ability to carry it out. Preferred instead to concentrate on West Bank. Cannot access New York Times, it is their Front Page today, Dec. 1.

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Katty Kay, BBC, said possibility this was allowed to happen for nefarious reasons of Netanyahu's plans.

I'd better not speak anymore at this time.
 
Pepper said:
Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
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I just saw you saw this breaking news. If you would like I will remove it as a thread, but I hope others will start explaining all the discrepancies in these claims. This war might have been "allowed" to happen. Then...for what reason? Today Israel started bombing and fighting again. Are they going to eliminate Hamas out of southern Palestine? All of them? That seems impossible. Maybe at a certain point Israel will take total control of the West Bank and Gaza and will still eliminate any movement of Hamas.?
 
Pepper, I read the article yesterday and I couldn’t believe it. A woman in the government found the information credible and basically she was dismissed by the men saying it was a Hamas dream and that they weren’t capable of carrying it out.

. It reminded me of the Bush administration ignoring warnings from flight schools that Arab men were learning to fly but had no interest in landing a plane. We had numerous warnings too. Frankly I don’t think any government looks out for its citizens anymore. The people in power have their own greedy agendas.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I just saw you saw this breaking news. If you would like I will remove it as a thread, but I hope others will start explaining all the discrepancies in these claims. This war might have been "allowed" to happen. Then...for what reason? Today Israel started bombing and fighting again. Are they going to eliminate Hamas out of southern Palestine? All of them? That seems impossible. Maybe at a certain point Israel will take total control of the West Bank and Gaza and will still eliminate any movement of Hamas.?
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Oh please don't delete that thread since it serves as another example of your pro-Hamas/anti-Israel position.

Some folks claim the FDR was warned about Pearl Harbor. Some folks claim GWB was warned about 9-11. Now some folks claim Israel was warned about Hamas raid, and I'm sure some folks claim Gen Custer was warned about the attacks at Little Big Horn.

Remember, per Hamas leaders, October 7th was just a rehearsal. You've been warned.
 
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Oh please don't delete that thread since it serves as another example of your pro-Hamas/anti-Israel position.

Some folks claim the FDR was warned about Pearl Harbor. Some folks claim GWB was warned about 9-11. Now some folks claim Israel was warned about Hamas raid, and I'm sure some folks claim Gen Custer was warned about the attacks at Little Big Horn.

Remember, per Hamas leaders, October 7th was just a rehearsal. You've been warned.
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Oooops there it is again. This is an ad hominem attach...Look it up. I thought this was against forum rules. Stop attaching me personally and stay with the subject being discussed. So I am coming to tickle you.

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As far as the rest of your post, all of it is true. The truth of these events are still being investigated and there are many people who take these warnings seriously. If you are correct in assuming that people make these stories up, show the proof that Israel did not know a year in advance. With their superior military apparatus you would think that the security of the people would be of utmost concern. Explain what happened that day. And please read the article before you respond.
 
Sorry, but responding to your POSTS is allowed, and your POSTS make it clear where your sympathies lie.

And, where did I say stories were made up? Every day, somebody somewhere warns somebody about something. Looking at those events in retrospect makes it easy to point fingers and say "I told you so". You nor I were there when these alleged warning were made, and what other information may or may not have been available. We are all blessed with 20/20 hindsight.

As a reminder, Israel has been warned for the past 1,400 years that Muslims are intent on killing all Jews.

And going forward, given that Hamas has warned that Oct 7th was "just a rehearsal", I say Israel has every right to totally decimate Gaza and every one in it. And if they don't I'm sure you will let us know "they were warned".
 
Warnings? Israel has known for decades the threat they reside with. They were warned daily. Mostly Hamas has made "annoying" attacks until the recent rather large attack. So now there is a sincere counterattack by Israel with great furiosity and overwhelming power. A demonstration Israel could wipe the entire area off the map over a weekend and not be tired Monday morning. Yet they proceed slowly and deliberately with the whole world publicly knowing of their intentions ... keep firing until the threat no longer exists.

 
No, ad hominem attacks are against this forums rules, but apparently some people can't talk about the subject without attacking the person. You should be ashamed. As far as all the warnings over the years, it is constant, and usually taken seriously. Why not protect the citizens if this attack by Hamas will be the worst in Israel's history. It makes no sense.

By the way I didn't post this breaking news first. I guess you will include the original poster in your name calling also?
 
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