Israel Has Declared War after Unprecedented Hamas Attack

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A Palestinian Doctor working in the NHS at a Liverpool Hospital who mocked terrified Israelis fleeing Hamas gunmen is today facing calls to be suspended over her 'repugnant' comments.


In a recent turn of events, NHS medic Dr. Mennah Elwan has attracted criticism for a series of contentious social media posts where she allegedly mocked Israeli festival goers and expressed support for Hamas attacks. The neurology registrar, employed with the Walton Centre, claimed that there are no civilians in Israel and questioned the behavior of individuals fleeing the attacks, further intensifying the controversy.

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Medical Bodies Distance Themselves​


Both the British Medical Association (BMA) and the Walton Centre have distanced themselves from Dr. Elwan’s comments. They released statements emphasizing that her views do not align with their values. The General Medical Council (GMC) has also been alerted and will be conducting an investigation into the matter.

The source added that the views posted by the medic — who appeared at a British Medical Association (BMA) rally on NHS pay this month — posed 'serious questions' about how the union is run.

It comes after a wave of protests about the escalating conflict between Israel and Hamas.



Clashes also occurred last night between pro-Palestinian and Israel supporters in High Street Kensington, as police desperately tried to keep the peace.

A spokesman for the Campaign Against Antisemitism charity told this website there was no place in the NHS for comments like those made by Dr Elwan.

'These despicable comments demonstrate, at a minimum, a lack of empathy unworthy of an employee of the NHS, and we shall be submitting a complaint to her regulator,' they said.

'But, at worst, rhetoric such as this fuels anti-Semitism in the UK, and we will also be exploring legal options. '

They added that such attitudes could make Jewish patients and staff feel unsafe in the NHS.


Support for Palestine and Hamas in the UK​


While Dr. Elwan’s comments have sparked outrage, they come at a time when several demonstrations in support of Palestine and Hamas have taken place in various UK cities. These demonstrations signify a growing support for Palestine in the UK, which, however, does not justify or validate the endorsement of violence or attacks against civilians.
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She, along with other individuals like her, who have openly showed their comments/actions to all have no place in the medical community. I would also include any other job where lives may be at stake.

You have to have trust in your doctor to do the right thing & I couldn't trust someone like her for myself, let along anyone in my family.

So sad & disturbing to hear something like this.
 
Lilac said:
She, along with other individuals like her, who have openly showed their comments/actions to all have no place in the medical community. I would also include any other job where lives may be at stake.

You have to have trust in your doctor to do the right thing & I couldn't trust someone like her for myself, let along anyone in my family.

So sad & disturbing to hear something like this.
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Noted up thread that 31 groups associated with Harvard also showed their support for Hamas. So much for higher education. They never learned the difference between the classroom and real world. There world is the classroom even doctors.

There were early reports of the brutality of the attacks but now they are all over. So they can't even say they didn't realize the depravity of the terror attacks. This was not a battle between soldiers this was a criminal act of horror/terror on civilians by terrorists, barbarians and/or thugs that would've been rapists or serial killers in a different setting.
 
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Devi said:
We, too, have Israeli friends, some of whom moved back to Israel. I do worry.

I have not wanted to say anything here at SF about Islam, as it's not up to me to tell people what to believe. It's just ... well, what's going on in the Middle East speaks for itself. I'm sure not all Muslims are like that, but ... dang.

Also true re other religions here in the West have had issues.

I will point out that, in a country (like the U.S.) where we're a "melting pot" of people from all over, where you're raised to accept all others ... well, it ain't necessarily so that they're just like you. So I don't get blinded by the propaganda.
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While I managed a restaurant, and later while I owned a liquor/convenience store, I employed 3 different guys who immigrated from the Middle-East. Two were Muslim, one was Christian.

The Christian guy told me that Christians in his home country had to live in Christian areas. Most of those areas are situated either outside the cities or on the outskirts of the cities. Christian neighborhoods that are WITHIN a city have some type of border around them, normally a cement wall.

He said that Christians who work in a city (i.e., Damascus, Tehran, Mosul) have to go by a Muslim name and have to observe Muslim traditions and rituals such as prayers and hand-washing during their work hours. If they work and live in the city, they must adopt a Muslim name and observe Muslim traditions and rituals 24/7. There are no churches or (for sure) synagogues within his home country's cities.

Where this is done to a much lesser extent in Israel, it's labelled apartheid and oppression. Which, imo, is an insult to Black South Africans. It's even labelled an atrocity and inhumane.

The Muslim guys told me that, while growing up in their home country, they were taught from a very young age, in school and at home, that all Jews are dishonest, disloyal, dirty, and sexually deviant, that it's a travesty that some Jews managed to survive the Holocaust, and that Jews own and run the US.

Neither of them had ever met a Jew until they immigrated to the US, and both of them were stunned to find out that I'm basically half-Jewish because I seemed like such a nice guy.

Israel does indeed suppress it's Palestinian citizens to a certain extent. One of the reasons is because, indeedy-doo, after the Holocaust and numerous other attempts at their genocide for centuries, there simply aren't many Jews left. They comprise less than 2% of the world's population. Israel's gov't is trying to ensure that their non-Jewish population never outnumbers the Jewish population.

And that could definitely happen. Palestinians would have as many kids as possible with the goal of becoming the majority in Israel. Israeli Jews literally fear becoming completely extinct in their own country.
 
WhatInThe said:
This is what thugs and criminals do. As described up thread these terrorist organizations are akin to gangs and/or gangsters. I don't care what their grievance is especially after they kill, torture, kidnap non combatants(poor strategy by the way galvanizing their perceived enemy)These are criminals that need to be hunted down until they are found dead.

And double checking but they apparently they ID'd one of the terrorist who kidnapped the German girl at the festival and threw her body on the back of their pick up truck. One by one just like the Munich Olympics terrorists they have to be hunted down and arrested or taken care of on video for their commrads to see.
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Yeah, I saw that video of that poor girl, her mother wanted the video to go viral to show the Evil cowards that they are.
Scum of the Earth, that is all they are!
 
The UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman
has urged officers to use the 'full force of the law' against shows of support for Hamas or bids to intimidate the UK's Jewish community in the wake of the terror group's attack on Israel.

Waving a Palestinian flag on British streets 'may not be legitimate' if it is deemed to be a show of support for acts of terrorism, the Home Secretary told police chiefs.

Police should also consider whether chants such as 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free', which is popular with the Palestine solidarity movement, 'should be understood as an expression of a violent desire to see Israel erased from the world' and amount to a racially aggravated public order offence.

Her comments come after tensions peaked in London last night with thousands of pro-Palestine protesters filling the streets near the Israeli Embassy, holding flags, chanting and lighting flares.

There were three arrests, with a man, 70, arrested for racially-motivated criminal damage, a 15-year-old male on suspicion of assaulting an emergency worker and a third man, 29, for possessing an offensive weapon, the Metropolitan Police said.

Suella Braverman urges 'full force of law' against Hamas supporters
 
For anyone who may not fully understand who or what Hamas are and why these cowards attacked and slaughtered Israel Babies and grandmothers.. along with other innocent Civilians

What is Hamas?​

Hamas – an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya, or Islamic resistance movement – was founded in 1987 during the first Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank by a Palestinian activist connected to the Muslim Brotherhood.

In 2006, Hamas won parliamentary elections, and in 2007 the group violently seized control of the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority, which was controlled by the rival Fatah movement that governs the West Bank. There have been no elections since.

The U.S. State Department designated Hamas a terrorist group in 1997. Several other nations also consider it a terrorist organization.

Why did Hamas attack Israel?​

Up to 1,000 Hamas fighters stormed across the Israeli border by land and sea beginning at daybreak Saturday in an attack that caught Israel's military off guard.

Hamas leaders say they were pushed to attack because of an Israeli crackdown on militants in the West Bank, continued construction of settlements − which the international community considers to be illegal − thousands of prisoners being held in Israeli jails and Israel's ongoing blockade of Gaza.

Mohammed Deif, the leader of Hamas’ military wing, said “Operation Al-Aqsa Storm,” was a response to activity at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound in Jerusalem that is the third holiest site in Islam. The site, which is also located on the holiest site for Jews − who refer to it as the Temple Mount − has long been a flashpoint between Israelis and Palestinians. Israeli security services routinely raid the compound.

How big is Hamas' army?​

Israel estimates the group has about 30,000 fighters and an arsenal of rockets and unmanned drones.

How is Hamas funded?​

Hamas receives financial, material and logistical support from Iran, though so far, international leaders, including in Israel, have said there is no evidence that Iran was directly involved in Hamas’ attack.

According to the U.S. State Department, in addition to receiving funding and weapons from Iran, Hamas also raises funds in Persian Gulf countries. It receives donations from some Palestinians, and from its own charity organizations.


What is Hezbollah?​

A day after Hamas launched its attack, Hezbollah also fired dozens of rockets and shells at three Israeli positions in disputed area along the country's border with Syria's Golan Heights, occupied by Israel. The attack was in solidarity with the “Palestinian resistance," Hezbollah said.

Hezbollah is a Lebanese political and militant group that's been around since the early 1980s, funded and backed by Iran and spreading Tehran's influence in the Middle East.

Like Hamas, Hezbollah is designated a terrorist group by the United States and opposes Israel, but Hamas pales in comparison to Hezbollah in terms of its terrorist capabilities. The Shiite Muslim militia has also attacked Israel with rockets in the past.
 
Thus far it's known that 14 American Citizens have been killed ...since Saturday altho' 20 are missing...

In a Tuesday afternoon address, The US president also updated the U.S. death total to 14 and confirmed Americans were among the hostages taken in Saturday's assault. The number remains unclear, but national security adviser Jake Sullivan said 20 or more Americans remain unaccounted for, though that doesn't mean all are being held captive.

Biden spared no detail in outlining the atrocities committed by Hamas militants as they "slaughtered'' more than 1,000 civilians.

“Parents butchered using their bodies to try to protect their children,'' Biden said. "Stomach-turning reports of babies being killed. Entire families slain. Young people massacred while attending a music festival to celebrate peace – to celebrate peace. Women raped, assaulted and paraded as trophies. … These traumas never go away.’’

The president branded those actions as terrorism, said they evoked thoughts of "the worst rampages of ISIS'' and vowed Israel will have the tools necessary to respond.
 
Chet said:
That area has had a complex history and I've been trying to determine the root cause of the conflict. At Israel - Facts, History & Conflicts I found this:

The United Nations approved a plan to partition Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it.

In May 1948, Israel was officially declared an independent state with David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, as the prime minister.

While this historic event seemed to be a victory for Jews, it also marked the beginning of more violence with the Arabs.

What I get from it is that a Jewish state was forced upon the Arabs by the UN which had no right to usurp the right of self determination of the Arabs in their part of the globe and the Arabs are pissed.
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When Jews were unable and/or unwilling to live in Germany and other countries once part of The Third Reich, and places where Nazism still existed after WWll, they wanted to return to their countries of origin. Hebrew nations. The problem in 1948 is that those countries were mainly Iraq, part of Iran, and Egypt, and none of them welcomed an influx of tens of thousands of Jews.

The area historically known as Palestine was also considered a country of origin. Despite it being about 85% Muslim-Arab at the time, that's the area the UN chose. I don't know if that's because it was thinly populated or mostly baron or what, but I doubt the Muslim-Arab Palestinian citizens welcomed an influx of Jews, either.

I only know that, after WWll, the Jews who'd been living in Europe had nowhere to go. No country, not even the US wanted to take them in and basically carve out a separate, independent region for them.

So, "Palestine" it was. Followed closely by the Arab–Israeli War of 1948.
 
In my confusion and admitted ignorance I decided to pull out my Fifteenth Edition1990 Britannica Encyclopedia with Israel as a subject.
I read their history from the 1920s to present, which was 1990 in that book.
It was informative and eye opening. I learned a lot.
However, there is nothing that can explain the barbaric, medieval attack that unfolded before our eyes.
It is absolutely not the way to garner sympathy and open a path to a two state solution.
Terror for terrors sake, plain and simple.
No matter the history and Israel's part and what you believe about that......I say, just no.
 
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First plane with ‘advanced’ US ammunition lands in Israel

A first transport plane with “advanced” American ammunition landed at the Nevatim airbase in southern Israel this evening, the military says.

The IDF says the ammunition is intended “to enable significant strikes and preparations for additional scenarios.”

“We are grateful for the American support and assistance to the IDF in particular, and to the State of Israel in general, during this challenging period,” the IDF says.

“Our common enemies know that the cooperation between the armies is stronger than ever, and is a key part of ensuring regional security and stability,” the IDF adds.
 
Koran: "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

Apparently there are over 100 verses in the Koran calling for murder of non-Muslims. I've always belonged to liberal churches that preach tolerance of other religions and of Muslims we always say that, "We worship the same god." I don't know about that anymore.

I don't know what Hamas is hoping to achieve, any sympathy I've had for the people of Palestine has gone away in the past few days and I'm sure it's the same for millions of people all over the world.
 
Della said:
Koran: "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

Apparently there are over 100 verses in the Koran calling for murder of non-Muslims. I've always belonged to liberal churches that preach tolerance of other religions and of Muslims we always say that, "We worship the same god." I don't know about that anymore.

I don't know what Hamas is hoping to achieve, any sympathy I've had for the people of Palestine has gone away in the past few days and I'm sure it's the same for millions of people all over the world.
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once they started killing and torturing babies, old people and innocent civilians ... they lost any support they might have had from Fair minded people. People who believe war is war.... this isn't a war.. beheading babies ?... that's not a war .. that's a holocaust ... as is stated right here in this piece ...

Babies beheaded, grandparents slain and families torn apart – the full horror of 'Israel's 9/11' was starting to emerge last night.

Hamas gunmen massacred 40 children in one farm settlement alone, their small bodies lying in their rooms riddled with bullets.

And as shellshocked survivors told their stories, one bereaved grandson, Shmuel Harel, told me: 'They are the new Nazis. This was a holocaust, pure and simple.'

He said his terrified 90-year-old grandmother's last moments were being dragged into her living room and shot twice in the head.

A sobbing Israeli woman said she had to listen in helpless horror as her 12-year-old autistic daughter was kidnapped while clinging desperately to her grandmother.
( can you just imagine a helpless 90 year old being beaten and dragged to their death ?..think about this for a minute ... )

As vengeful Israel unleashes hell in military retaliation, stunned survivors are gathering at refugee hotels a safe distance from the front line – where they weep.

Last night at the Leonardo Plaza Hotel on the Dead Sea, dozens were sat in the lobby and coffee shop, some carrying photos of loved ones butchered or kidnapped.

Galit Dan, 53, told how her daughter Noya, 12, went off for a sleepover with her grandmother Carmela, 80. As the sickening attack unfolded, Noya sent a harrowing voice message to her mother, whispering: 'Mummy, I'm scared. There are people in the house. Help me.'

Her mother said: 'These animals came for them. We have heard nothing from them and their bodies have not been found among the dead, so we believe they have been taken. I am living every parent's nightmare – every parent in the world will feel our pain.'

Hamas terrorists beheaded babies and gunned down entire families in their homes in the Kfar Aza kibbutz, the Israeli military said. Bodies there litter the streets among burnt-out houses, strewn furniture and torched cars.

Yesterday Israeli soldiers going house to house removing the dead and raged that innocents were killed 'not in war, not a battlefield, but in their beds'.



SAM GREENHILL meets survivors of the Hamas death squads
 
Murrmurr said:
When Jews were unable and/or unwilling to live in Germany and other countries once part of The Third Reich, and places where Nazism still existed after WWll, they wanted to return to their countries of origin. Hebrew nations. The problem in 1948 is that those countries were mainly Iraq, part of Iran, and Egypt, and none of them welcomed an influx of tens of thousands of Jews.

The area historically known as Palestine was also considered a country of origin. Despite it being about 85% Muslim-Arab at the time, that's the area the UN chose. I don't know if that's because it was thinly populated or mostly baron or what, but I doubt the Muslim-Arab Palestinian citizens welcomed an influx of Jews, either.

I only know that, after WWll, the Jews who'd been living in Europe had nowhere to go. No country, not even the US wanted to take them in and basically carve out a separate, independent region for them.

So, "Palestine" it was. Followed closely by the Arab–Israeli War of 1948.
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It's a feckin' Irony when you think that today every western country in the world has accepted whether by choice or design..illegal immigrants from every Arab country in the world ...yet they won't let the Jewish have their own country back....

We have as has the USA.. many Jewish communities in our country... there's one of the biggest in the UK here in North London just a few miles from where I live... these people never cause problems.. they all seem to be family oriented, hard working.. .. yet they've had to suffer for thousands of years... it's just a travesty

I never thought in my lifetime that I would ever see or hear of another type of Holocaust towards the Jewish people... ... but here we are again... 80 years after Hitler...watching as these innocent people are destroyed ..again...
 
I've read lamentations of Gaza being closed off and Palestinians have no place to go. To most any sane person that would be another good reason not to start a war with a neighbor ... one which is also a supply source of food, water and other necessities. Maybe they should have thought more clearly and thoroughly about the recent militant terrorist actions of their comrades, said to be on their behalf, before proceeding. Maybe they should have driven Hamas from their ranks before it came to this.

The situation also shows the importance of continuing not to have open borders as well as the common sense of allowing citizens to maintain firearms for personal protection / defense ... which the vast majority of Israeli citizens are not allowed to posses and why whole families were left defenseless and slaughtered at will in a senseless and barbaric manner. In a society where military service is mandatory, why aren't citizens allowed the right to own firearms?

It's unbelievable that homicidal psychopathic maniacs, armed to the teeth and sworn to Israel's destruction are practically across the street from Israel's citizens and those citizens have to jump through hoops and regulatory nonsense to own a firearm. It's irresponsible and negligent to deprive these people of the right to defend themselves. The consequences of gun control are on full display right now.

These may be questions for another discussion another thread and another time I guess. Just something to ponder and if this doesn't put things into focus for them I'll write them off as lost causes where idealism is more important than logic and self preservation.
 
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It's a feckin' Irony when you think that today every western country in the world has accepted whether by choice or design..illegal immigrants from every Arab country in the world ...yet they won't let the Jewish have their own country back....

We have as has the USA.. many Jewish communities in our country... there's one of the biggest in the UK here in North London just a few miles from where I live... these people never cause problems.. they all seem to be family oriented, hard working.. .. yet they've had to suffer for thousands of years... it's just a travesty

I never thought in my lifetime that I would ever see or hear of another type of Holocaust towards the Jewish people... ... but here we are again... 80 years after Hitler...watching as these innocent people are destroyed ..again...
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Many thousands of ethnically Jewish US citizens moved to Israel in the 50s, after it declared itself sovereign. (and I could be wrong but I think Israel did declare itself sovereign before it's sovereignty was recognized by most major countries)

The Middle-East is the land of contrariness.
 
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The situation also shows the importance of continuing not to have open borders as well as the common sense of allowing citizens to maintain firearms for personal protection / defense ... which the vast majority of Israeli citizens are not allowed to posses and why whole families were left defenseless and slaughtered at will in a senseless and barbaric manner. In a society where military service is mandatory, why aren't citizens allowed the right to own firearms?

It's unbelievable that homicidal psychopathic maniacs, armed to the teeth and sworn to Israel's destruction are practically across the street from Israel's citizens and those citizens have to jump through hoops and regulatory nonsense to own a firearm. It's irresponsible and negligent to deprive these people of the right to defend themselves. The consequences of gun control are on full display right now.

These may be questions for another discussion another thread and another time I guess. Just something to ponder and if this doesn't put things into focus for them I'll write them off as lost causes where idealism is more important than logic and self preservation.
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Apparently Israel is now seeing the light on arming citizens for self-defense.

Israel eases gun laws to arm 'as many citizens as possible' after terrorist attack​

Israel eases gun laws to arm 'as many citizens as possible' after terrorist attack

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Then there is this.

Thousands of 'special interest aliens' from Middle East countries stopped at southern border since 2021: data​

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Naturally said:
I've read lamentations of Gaza being closed off and Palestinians have no place to go. To most any sane person that would be another good reason not to start a war with a neighbor ... one which is also a supply source of food, water and other necessities. Maybe they should have thought more clearly and thoroughly about the recent militant terrorist actions of their comrades, said to be on their behalf, before proceeding. Maybe they should have driven Hamas from their ranks before it came to this.

The situation also shows the importance of continuing not to have open borders as well as the common sense of allowing citizens to maintain firearms for personal protection / defense ... which the vast majority of Israeli citizens are not allowed to posses and why whole families were left defenseless and slaughtered at will in a senseless and barbaric manner. In a society where military service is mandatory, why aren't citizens allowed the right to own firearms?

It's unbelievable that homicidal psychopathic maniacs, armed to the teeth and sworn to Israel's destruction are practically across the street from Israel's citizens and those citizens have to jump through hoops and regulatory nonsense to own a firearm. It's irresponsible and negligent to deprive these people of the right to defend themselves. The consequences of gun control are on full display right now.

These may be questions for another discussion another thread and another time I guess. Just something to ponder and if this doesn't put things into focus for them I'll write them off as lost causes where idealism is more important than logic and self preservation.
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There’s one instance reported where some older residents repelled Hamas terrorists with their rifles killing at least two.

Terror requires a fearful population, unable or unwilling to fight. Recall England having to resort to donations of privately owned firearms from the US to arm themselves in 1939. Men drilled with wooden rifles and had Pikes to repell invaders.
 
So what has the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas had to say ... Spoiler: Don't look for an apology ...

Abbas stresses Palestinian right to self-defense, as int’l community condemns Hamas

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas reacted to the deadly major Hamas infiltration and rocket attacks on Israel on Saturday by expressing his solidarity with Palestinian civilians and using the opportunity to level criticism at Israel.

An English-language report of his comments from the PA news agency Wafa made no mention of the Hamas onslaught. In several cities in the West Bank, meanwhile, Palestinians celebrated in the streets.
 
Naturally said:
So what has the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas had to say ... Spoiler: Don't look for an apology ...

Abbas stresses Palestinian right to self-defense, as int’l community condemns Hamas

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas reacted to the deadly major Hamas infiltration and rocket attacks on Israel on Saturday by expressing his solidarity with Palestinian civilians and using the opportunity to level criticism at Israel.

An English-language report of his comments from the PA news agency Wafa made no mention of the Hamas onslaught. In several cities in the West Bank, meanwhile, Palestinians celebrated in the streets.
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Of course not. The Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund pays the families of men imprisoned in Israel or killed while attacking Israelis to the tune of appx 8% of the PA's budget.

Can't post the letter due to political restrictions but will post the link to the lead author's page with the text of a letter written this July to the US Sec of State by 50 US Congress members across the aisle. Ending Palestinian "pay for slay" is one of the few bipartisan efforts in the US Congress.

RELEASE: Bipartisan Group of 50 to Administration: Negotiate an End to Martyr Payments to Terrorists - Josh Gottheimer
 
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Della said:
Koran: "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

Apparently there are over 100 verses in the Koran calling for murder of non-Muslims. I've always belonged to liberal churches that preach tolerance of other religions and of Muslims we always say that, "We worship the same god." I don't know about that anymore.
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I’ve read the Quran and it contains some violent teachings including those you mentioned. All of the violent Muslim war groups like Hamas, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boco Haram, etc. believe in and follow the Quran. Unfortunately, it appears Presidents Bush and Obama never read the Quran.They told the American people Islam is a religion of peace
 
hollydolly said:
true..but then by all the photos we've seen , much of the Palestinian people are in full support of these terrorists
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Not true, HD! At least not in accordance with our news. It stated that, according to surveys undertaken, only 27% of Palestinians actually support Hamas! This figure was before the attack. Or am I watching left-wing "fake" news without realizing it?

My sympathies are with the Israelis as well as the Palestinians, my hatred and contempt go to those who deserve it: the ideologues who would commit the basest and most brutal acts in order to promote their cause, or achieve their ends. My personal hope is that Hamas just signed its own death warrant.

Biggest problem at the moment though: how to save the innocent hostages and yet get at the monsters who guard them!

Second biggest, what if they (Hamas) scatter all over the place and take their sadistic terror with them into our cities? With that I mean the rest of the world and not just the West!

I also wish at the same time that the woman of Iran had had enough influence through their protests to get rid of a fundamentalist Islamic regime who is the main supporter of terror! If it wasn't always the civilians that get killed, a war with Iran would sound good to me. But since we are not Barbarians, I hope ... I pray, that it won't come to that!
 
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