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Whole life sentences are'degrading' according to the European Court of human rights, therefore illegal.
just quoting the current legislation.
 
We've reinstated Life meaning just that relatively lately, in the 90s I think. Before that 'Life' equated to around 25 years. Not good enough.

[h=3]Without the possibility of parole[/h] In the most extreme cases, the sentencing judge will refuse to fix a non-parole period, which means that the prisoner will spend the rest of their life in prison. In New South Wales, if the prisoner is convicted of the murder of a police officer, they will automatically be sentenced to life imprisonment without parole.[SUP][6][/SUP]
Notorious criminals serving at least one sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole include backpacker serial killer Ivan Milat (New South Wales), serial sex killer Peter Dupas (Victoria), Snowtown serial killers John Justin Bunting and Robert Joe Wagner (South Australia), sadistic rapist and murderer Barrie Watts (Queensland), child killer Dante Arthurs (Western Australia), Port Arthur gunman Martin Bryant (Tasmania), and police killer David Eastman (Australian Capital Territory).
There are four women serving at least one sentence of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole: cannibalistic husband killer Katherine Knight (New South Wales), black widow Patricia Byers (Queensland),[SUP][7][/SUP] serial killer Catherine Birnie (Western Australia) and one from Queensland, who tortured, raped and attempted to kill a 13-year-old girl, but cannot be named for legal reasons.[SUP][8][/SUP]
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I do hope there's more than them in for life.
 

re:Without the possibility of parole.

That itself is a big joke...
there is always the possibility of escape or killing a guard or fellow prisoner, or some soft-hearted Governor may someday reduce the sentence.
 
I have never used Wikipedia so much.....
but that takes us back to juries, reasonable doubt, and the media.
what if there is only circumstantial evidence?
what if it is a cold case?
what if I am getting my threads mixed up?
 
Vivjen said:
I have never used Wikipedia so much.....
but that takes us back to juries, reasonable doubt, and the media.
what if there is only circumstantial evidence?
what if it is a cold case?
what if I am getting my threads mixed up?
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Circumstantial evidence cases are harder to prove and maybe if you are found guilty where there was no DNA, etc...you would only get life, not death...that sounds fair to me.
 
If I heard it right, Missouri is now considering bringing back the firing squad for certain cases. What?! At the price of ammo these days??! Who would want the job of pulling the trigger?? :eek:

OTOH, in the Rowan Ford case, I might not mind that job, myself.....maybe a bit of russian roulette, to make it a game.... ;) :p
 
I heard that in some firing squads only a couple (or one or few) had actual bullets; the rest had blanks.

The rifles were handed out randomly.....SO, NOBODY knew which rifleman actually killed the condemned perp.
 
Oh now I remember hearing that, too. Probably best, tho I agree with you CeeCee...I'd have no problem with it if someone in my family was hurt, either.
 
What he did to deserve capital punishment is horrible but for us to torture him to death is unfathomable. It is paramount that we be the keepers of humanity. I have preached and preached to you folks ad nauseam that if we do unto him as he did to his victim then we become him.
 
That Guy said:
What he did to deserve capital punishment is horrible but for us to torture him to death is unfathomable. It is paramount that we be the keepers of humanity. I have preached and preached to you folks ad nauseam that if we do unto him as he did to his victim then we become him.
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I don't see it that way.

Does anyone really think that a life sentence with no parole is NOT torture? It's a prolonged death, in a place where you have no freedom, no say and no physical contact with the real world. It's like being placed in an isolation tank and told to relax - after a while you go insane from the lack of stimuli.

Executions are actually an act of mercy compared to incarceration. But seeing as how they don't make money for the industrial-prison complex I'm not surprised that their paid lobbyists are found in the forefront of death-penalty protests.
 
I'm with TG on this. Just from purely practical reasons rather than an ethical one. I value revenge as much as anyone but i do agree that once it gets past a certain point it damages the avenger more than the offender. I enjoy revenge cold, but also quick and clean, preferably before they know what hit them.
Just shoot the buggers and have it over.
Someone who has committed a despicable crime should be treated with the contempt they are due. Do we torture dogs who maul kids? Or do we just put them down 'humanely' as quickly as possible and take them out of the equation?

I don't see that showing sick murderous bastards that we are no better than they are proves beneficial to anyone. If anything, to their own twisted thinking, it excuses their behaviour and they see you as the bad guy hypocrites.

As to the toss up between 'life' or 'death'... let 'em choose? Many handle it reasonably well though, so then is it really punishment enough?
Give em 2 years in the worst of it to decide for themselves? Or just shoot 'em? Or zap 'em with Jnrs stun gun array.
 
Diwundrin said:
Someone who has committed a despicable crime should be treated with the contempt they are due. Do we torture dogs who maul kids? Or do we just put them down 'humanely' as quickly as possible and take them out of the equation?
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Dogs do not have the intelligence and reasoning ability to kill or not kill - they act by instinct. They are "dumb dogs" compared to us "smart humans", so you really cannot compare the two methods of elimination.

I don't see that showing sick murderous bastards that we are no better than they are proves beneficial to anyone. If anything, to their own twisted thinking, it excuses their behaviour and they see you as the bad guy hypocrites.
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It might also serve as a warning to anyone contemplating similar crimes in the future. When you see the worst that can happen is being thrown in Club Fed with your buddies, then raping and slaying that family might not be a bad trade.

But if you know you're going to die for it, you just might have a change of heart.

And please don't tell me about "rehabilitation" - prisons are no longer designed for that.

As to the toss up between 'life' or 'death'... let 'em choose? Many handle it reasonably well though, so then is it really punishment enough?
Give em 2 years in the worst of it to decide for themselves? Or just shoot 'em? Or zap 'em with Jnrs stun gun array.
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You mean, let the prisoner choose?
 
I don't understand how killing a murder makes us as bad as them. They killed an innocent person, they took a life and there is a penalty, you lose yours. It is as simple as that to me.

I would have absolutely no qualms about pulling a switch or a trigger on them. I'm too squeamish to jam a needle in their arm or chop a head off however.

They had no regard for their victim or any pain or suffering they caused them, to say nothing or the abject fear and terror they had to endure at the end of their lives.

Fry the bastards I say, oh wait their is an energy crisis, Hang the Bastards!
 
I'm sorry, I thought I was commenting on the lynch mob mentality that takes hold when people talk about creeps on death row. I'm not getting into a to and fro over the rights and wrongs of the death penalty in general, just have an issue with how it's carried out, and with how people say they want it carried out.

If you don't see how executing them in the cruelest way possible demeans only the executioner then I'm wasting my time. Go for your lives.


(Darth Vader lives here today, not my usual sweetness and light, sorry.)
 
I don't advocate torturing them, my methods would be short and quick. But if something did go wrong and they suffered, I wouldn't care either. Maybe the families of the victims should be able to have a say in the punishment dished out.


(Darth Vader lives here today, not my usual sweetness and light, sorry.)

Oh I needed a good laugh.
 
Here's an idea:

Instead of executing them, send them to live with one of the capital punishment protestors. You could put a nice little tracking collar on their ankle so they would stay put, and I'm sure they would be a wonderful addition to that liberal household. They could do the dusting, clean out the litterbox, etc. and serve as the center of conversation during cocktail parties.

Win/win!
 
I'm not saying don't kill them. What I insist is keeping our humanity which they have obviously lost. As OH says, short and quick, and good riddance.
 

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