It was mentioned about the vaccine.

[Alice November]

Mine, too. I posted on 12-9:
Since I've had extensive dental issues, I've had the misfortune to be harmed by both greedy and incompetent dentists, as well as a pathetically-useless Dental Board that protects dentists while providing an illusion of protecting patients.
The most serious harm was 4 years ago when a dentist did an incomplete & incompetent root canal that resulted in me spending several days in Intensive Care for Sepsis which could have been fatal.

The other issues involved pure greed, including intentional sabotage of a bridge when I didn't choose a more-invasive & more-expensive implant. He tried to blame ME, saying my teeth shifted. I had to have the bridge re-done & the dentist was forced to refund me $3,000.00 - only because other dentists I consulted contacted him & he realized his reputation was being damaged.

More recently, I started having a toothache & the first dentist I saw diagnosed "Severe decay under ALL my crowns" (all 30 of them). He recommended extracting all my teeth & having complete upper & lower implants - 12 months of invasive procedures (especially risky for me as being diabetic) & $40,000.00.
A 2nd opinion dentist diagnosed ONE infected tooth that needed a root canal, extracting the one next to it, & a bridge, which I just had completed. $4,700.00.
Remember: Where there is money, there is greed. Be careful.

I've hardly got any left because I refused to play along. Now they just fall out when they are ready and I enjoy soft foods, eating more fish, eggs, cooked vegetables, eggs, yogurt and such. I had similar problems with the crowns and bridge as you did. Eventually it just fell apart, the crowns fell off and tooth aches only lasted a day or two so I felt good because all that metal and junk just fell out of its own accord and I'm free of it. The front ones still look ok.

I'm really sorry to hear your experience. You did get something back and smart of you to keep consulting with some good results.
Money is gotten only by taking someone else's, it's not like there is any magic in that.
Thanks for the advice the sage advice. You've been there and with the diabetes that makes it much more serious.

 

[Ronni]

I support everyone’s right to choose to vaccinate or not. I will admit to being perplexed and unable to comprehend the REASONS of some folks for their choice not to vaccinate, other than for medical reasons obviously. But whatever.

I also defend my own right and choices to stay as safe as possible, and often get resentful of folks for not affording me the courtesy of letting me know they’ve been exposed or they have symptoms before I’m with them personally.

I am doing everything I can to protect everyone I come into contact with…being vaccinated myself, liberal use of masks, letting them know if I have a cold or cough So they can choose whether or not they’re comfortable to be around me, wearing a mask when I DO have a symptom or two even around the folks in my bubble, keeping a supply of Covid tests at home so I have a quick diagnostic tool…and so on.

I am grateful that my family are all protective of Ron and me and afford me the same care and choices as I do of them and others.

 

[Aneeda72]

Wanna see my choices?

Sure.

 

[Aneeda72]

Any doctor will say "Whatever we did saved his life." No doctor on the planet earth would ever admit harming a patient. Neither would any dentist.

Gosh, you are so losing your touch. I am beginning to worry. “No doctor would ever admit harming a patient”? Hmm.

When I woke up in a hospital room, not the expected recovery room, and there were TWO doctors standing by my bedside I was extremely puzzled. First surgeon, my expected surgeon said “sorry, I made a mistake and I tore your liver”. Getting my gallbladder out.

He introduced the other doctor, my liver surgeon. The guy who repaired my liver. This is the value of using a hospital, not a surgical center by the way. The first surgeon put out a call out for a second surgeon, who left his clinic, and patients, and repaired my liver.

And, I’ve told this story before on SF.

@win231 -you can not win, stop trying.

 

[Aneeda72]

That, in a word, has been my experience and many others in my family. Sad truth.

It has not been mine. Probably depends on where you live and how afraid the doctor is of being sued. The laws have changed over time, but a mistake is a mistake. Doctors are human. So, it would also depend on who the mistake happened to; I’ve never sued a doctor. Although I could have a few times.

 

[Aneeda72]

I took nothing out of context ...... I quoted it just as it was written .

Having the quote in context would have been posting the whole conversation, not just picking out a portion and starting a whole new thread with that portion. I am sure you know this, but if you don’t, you do now.

 

[rgp]

RGP, why did you choose to start a new thread on this topic with just certain excerpts quoted? Was it because very few agreed with you in the original thread?

Because the original thread was closed.

I don't worry about who agrees & who does not.

 

[win231]

Gosh, you are so losing your touch. I am beginning to worry. “No doctor would ever admit harming a patient”? Hmm.

When I woke up in a hospital room, not the expected recovery room, and there were TWO doctors standing by my bedside I was extremely puzzled. First surgeon, my expected surgeon said “sorry, I made a mistake and I tore your liver”. Getting my gallbladder out.

He introduced the other doctor, my liver surgeon. The guy who repaired my liver. This is the value of using a hospital, not a surgical center by the way. The first surgeon put out a call out for a second surgeon, who left his clinic, and patients, and repaired my liver.

And, I’ve told this story before on SF.

@win231 -you can not win, stop trying.

Nor can you.

 

[rgp]

Having the quote in context would have been posting the whole conversation, not just picking out a portion and starting a whole new thread with that portion. I am sure you know this, but if you don’t, you do now.

I can quote anything posted , or any part of it, and then comment on it.......

I don't need your permission.

 

[Brookswood]

There are a lot of sanctimonious morally superior know-it-alls on both sides of the vaccine controversy. Personally, I am sick of all of them.

I don't like somebody trying to scare me into sub-optimal behavior by telling me their are 10,000 new infections in my state but not tell me how many people actually are seriously ill. I don't need them to control my life, tell me I can work for a living or not, all based upon their exploitation of Covid statistics. They bend facts and distort the truth to achieve their goals. I got vaccinated and boosted. I wear a mask when indoors with strangers. I social distance as much as possible outside my home. I bought several home test kits. Now get out of my way.

I also don't like being told by chest thumping anti-vax braggarts that they will not live in fear, and therefore, I should take some unnecessary risk so as to be as brave as them. Then, there are those arrogant people who tell me I am some kind of sheep because I protect myself from what could be a serious illness by taking certain precautions. I got their message and I find it wanting. Now get out of my way.

 

[Aneeda72]

I can quote anything posted , or any part of it, and then comment on it.......

I don't need your permission.

Oh my oh me, you are correct. You can be as dishonest as you want to be. But, I cared enough and respected you enough to warn you about the chicken. I suppose I was wrong to expect the same honesty and respect for you. Troll away, @rgp, troll away.

 

[Aneeda72]

There are a lot of sanctimonious morally superior know-it-alls on both sides of the vaccine controversy. Personally, I am sick of all of them.

I don't like somebody trying to scare me into sub-optimal behavior by telling me their are 10,000 new infections in my state but not tell me how many people actually are seriously ill. I don't need them to control my life, tell me I can work for a living or not, all based upon their exploitation of Covid statistics. They bend facts and distort the truth to achieve their goals. I got vaccinated and boosted. I wear a mask when indoors with strangers. I social distance as much as possible outside my home. I bought several home test kits. Now get out of my way.

I also don't like being told by chest thumping anti-vax braggarts that they will not live in fear, and therefore, I should take some unnecessary risk so as to be as brave as them. Then, there are those arrogant people who tell me I am some kind of sheep because I protect myself from what could be a serious illness by taking certain precautions. I got their message and I find it wanting. Now get out of my way.

Or, you know, you could just stop reading the Covid threads and listening to the news.

 

[rgp]

Oh my oh me, you are correct. You can be as dishonest as you want to be. But, I cared enough and respected you enough to warn you about the chicken. I suppose I was wrong to expect the same honesty and respect for you. Troll away, @rgp, troll away.

Quoting anything or any part of anything had nothing to do with honesty.

Quit feeling so superior .......... you're not.

 

[Aneeda72]

Quoting anything or any part of anything had nothing to do with honesty.

Quit feeling so superior .......... you're not.

I never said I was superior, I never even inferred I was superior to anyone or anything-quite the opposite in fact. I have, lately, spoken about how I feel like such as failure in my inability to help my son. I guess you missed those posts. But this post, of yours, if very interesting and says a lot about you.

First, you don’t get to tell people how they feel.

Second, it seems to me that if you think someone, anyone, is acting superior to you, then you might have an inferiority complex. But I don’t know, because I do not personally know you, because I don’t tell people how they feel, because I am not a psychologist, and because I don’t really care.

Quoting anything out of context is dishonest. You know this which is why you are so defensive. Let it go @rgp -it’s just not that important

 

[rgp]

I never said I was superior, I never even inferred I was superior to anyone or anything-quite the opposite in fact. I have, lately, spoken about how I feel like such as failure in my inability to help my son. I guess you missed those posts. But this post, of yours, if very interesting and says a lot about you.

First, you don’t get to tell people how they feel.

Second, it seems to me that if you think someone, anyone, is acting superior to you, then you might have an inferiority complex. But I don’t know, because I do not personally know you, because I don’t tell people how they feel, because I am not a psychologist, and because I don’t really care.

Quoting anything out of context is dishonest. You know this which is why you are so defensive. Let it go @rgp -it’s just not that important

I get to respond as i choose........

And once again ...... There is nothing dishonest about quoting anything or any part of anything.

If you feel it is not that important ? Then why do you keep arguing it ?

 

[Aneeda72]

I get to respond as i choose........

And once again ...... There is nothing dishonest about quoting anything or any part of anything.

If you feel it is not that important ? Then why do you keep arguing it ?

I am not arguing with you, I am responding to your false claims. There is a difference. And, yes, you can respond as you choose. I never said you could not respond, as you choose. I did say I thought you were defensive. I still think you are defensive. And, yes, none of this is important. But it is amusing

 

[rgp]

I am not arguing with you, I am responding to your false claims. There is a difference. And, yes, you can respond as you choose. I never said you could not respond, as you choose. I did say I thought you were defensive. I still think you are defensive. And, yes, none of this is important. But it is amusing

Nothing I have replied is false ...... as such, your reply is an argument.

 

[Aneeda72]

Nothing I have replied is false ...... as such, your reply is an argument.

You do not get to decide what my reply is characterized as. It’s MY reply, not yours. . I decide, and I am not arguing with you. You are the not in charge of anything. You are not in control. And I simply do not care.

This conversation I s not important to me. Apparently it is terribly important to you, which continues to be amusing to me. It’s like you can call false facts, true, as much as you want, but they are still false facts. Calling a rose, by any other name, does not change the fact that it is a rose. And, if you call a rose a daffodil, it’s still a rose.

We learned this lesson on a national level. .

 

[rgp]

You do not get to decide what my reply is characterized as. It’s MY reply, not yours. . I decide, and I am not arguing with you. You are the not in charge of anything. You are not in control. And I simply do not care.

This conversation I s not important to me. Apparently it is terribly important to you, which continues to be amusing to me. It’s like you can call false facts, true, as much as you want, but they are still false facts. Calling a rose, by any other name, does not change the fact that it is a rose. And, if you call a rose a daffodil, it’s still a rose.

We learned this lesson on a national level. .

I decide how I receive/understand anything .......... not you.

Again, if it is not important to you .... why do you keep arguing about it ?

I have posted nothing false & or dishonest.

If you feel an overwhelming need to insult/disparage me ? Go right ahead ...... you mean nothing to me, as such your words are empty . Why hide behind a convoluted definition of paragraph structure. And / or forum etiquette.

 

[hollydolly]

...and all this on Christmas day as well....

 

[Aneeda72]

I decide how I receive/understand anything .......... not you.

Again, if it is not important to you .... why do you keep arguing about it ?

I have posted nothing false & or dishonest.

If you feel an overwhelming need to insult/disparage me ? Go right ahead ...... you mean nothing to me, as such your words are empty . Why hide behind a convoluted definition of paragraph structure. And / or forum etiquette.

I am not hiding. I have not insulted you or disparaged you. We are having a discussion not an argument. We have two different points of view. You used something I said, on a different thread, out of context, to start this thread.

That was your choice.

You could have chosen to post the whole conversation or even reference where that conversation was so SF members, who wanted to, could read the quote in context. You did not do that. I called you on it. Those are the facts. I think what you did was dishonest. I am entitled to my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Why you are so defensive about these facts and this situation is a mystery to me. . Of course I mean “nothing to you”; it would be scary if I did. Why on earth would I mean anything to you? Why would you even bring that up? It’s a very odd thing to say.

 

[rgp]

I am not hiding. I have not insulted you or disparaged you. We are having a discussion not an argument. We have two different points of view. You used something I said, on a different thread, out of context, to start this thread.

That was your choice.

You could have chosen to post the whole conversation or even reference where that conversation was so SF members, who wanted to, could read the quote in context. You did not do that. I called you on it. Those are the facts. I think what you did was dishonest. I am entitled to my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Why you are so defensive about these facts and this situation is a mystery to me. . Of course I mean “nothing to you”; it would be scary if I did. Why on earth would I mean anything to you? Why would you even bring that up? It’s a very odd thing to say.

You insulted me, when you accused me of dishonesty .......... and you continued to do so. I am defensive because I am not dishonest & do not like being accused of being so by someone that does not even know me.

 

[rgp]

...and all this on Christmas day as well....

Christmas day or any other day ..... I won't be labeled in a negative way , and not defend myself.

 

[Aneeda72]

You insulted me, when you accused me of dishonesty .......... and you continued to do so. I am defensive because I am not dishonest & do not like being accused of being so by someone that does not even know me.

As I have said I do not know you. This issue is easily fixed by you making reference to the original thread and giving the post number thus bringing the quote into context. But you refuse to do so. Why?

I have not “accused” YOU of being dishonest. As for your being insulted, how you feel is not my problem. I am obviously insulted by the way you used my words. I guess we are “equal” in “I feel insulted“ department.

I have given an opinion that what you did, in relationship to my post, was dishonest, in my opinion. Since it was my post that you used, I am entitled to my opinion as to how you used it-and you have made this point several times, about how you can choose and decide what is what. It works both ways.

What you DID, with my quote, was dishonest. I have no ideal if you are an honest person or not. I have made no claims towards this in regards to you. As I’ve said before, I could not care less.

 

[Aneeda72]

Christmas day or any other day ..... I won't be labeled in a negative way , and not defend myself.

I did not label you. I labeled what you did. As an adult, you should be able to tell the difference. Truth does not need to be defended.

I agree as far as Christmas is concerned. Christmas is a secular day, a commercial day, a day when stores make up for losses for the year. When I was young Christmas was widely celebrated as “the birth of JC”. But that reason for celebration has faded for most of the world; and even the Catholic Church has said that JC was not born in December.

The day has nothing to do with our discussion.