"Its a dog eat dog world", (so said a cousin of mine)

Mr. Ed said:
If it were a dog eat dog world dogs would be cannibals
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I know I responded to your post a few days ago by referencing a website, but didn't give you my own personal response to your refutation of the thread title view, (if "refutation it was?).

You'll perhaps forgive too, that I'm going to mention lawyers (again), on the thread, as I sort of did by posting the dressed up dog picture with captions above, and this is mainly because I wished to put forward some insights I've gained recently into the workings of the legal brains I'm having to pay so much to at the moment.

I have found that although all those who have represented me over recent years, (believe me there's a few, for reasons I won't go into), have told me "they only want what is in my interests"!

It would be very naive of me to believe these lawyers have no other interests in mind when they represent someone than the clients, (their own spring to mind), so I'm not quite that foolish as to completely believe them, but that doesn't mean I don't believe they " try to do a good job, to the best of their abilities", so where can things go wrong(?).

Well one way is in this business where they feel you as a client are not totally accepting their advice ironically, because they sometimes then put forward whatever it might be, (instruction to a more highly qualified lawyer, or "barrister" as they are called in the UK), framing what they say as "our client thinks this or that", rather than "the position is"!

You may think this is all okay and honkey dory, but what they're failing to explain is very often this particular client is not just putting forward his own tin pot view, but the combined views of his former legal representatives. To that extent its misleading to try to push everything to " the lawyers higher up the food chain" as just the clients view, and the other danger is that when describing something as "the clients view" they even fail to include the nuances in your views!

And of course, as I don't now need reminding, (though I'm sure someone will do anyway!), all the time I'm paying for the "privilege" of being treated this way! :(

So, is this an example of it being a "dog eat dog world"?, (I think it is a bit!).
 

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grahamg said:
I know I responded to your post a few days ago by referencing a website, but didn't give you my own personal response to your refutation of the thread title view, (if "refutation it was?).

You'll perhaps forgive too, that I'm going to mention lawyers (again), on the thread, as I sort of did by posting the dressed up dog picture with captions above, and this is mainly because I wished to put forward some insights I've gained recently into the workings of the legal brains I'm having to pay so much to at the moment.

I have found that although all those who have represented me over recent years, (believe me there's a few, for reasons I won't go into), have told me "they only want what is in my interests"!

It would be very naive of me to believe these lawyers have no other interests in mind when they represent someone than the clients, (their own spring to mind), so I'm not quite that foolish as to completely believe them, but that doesn't mean I don't believe they " try to do a good job, to the best of their abilities", so where can things go wrong(?).

Well one way is in this business where they feel you as a client are not totally accepting their advice ironically, because they sometimes then put forward whatever it might be, (instruction to a more highly qualified lawyer, or "barrister" as they are called in the UK), framing what they say as "our client thinks this or that", rather than "the position is"!

You may think this is all okay and honkey dory, but what they're failing to explain is very often this particular client is not just putting forward his own tin pot view, but the combined views of his former legal representatives. To that extent its misleading to try to push everything to " the lawyers higher up the food chain" as just the clients view, and the other danger is that when describing something as "the clients view" they even fail to include the nuances in your views!

And of course, as I don't now need reminding, (though I'm sure someone will do anyway!), all the time I'm paying for the "privilege" of being treated this way! :(

So, is this an example of it being a "dog eat dog world"?, (I think it is a bit!).
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Quite a story there. I'm glad I haven't had to deal with lawyers much at all.
 
It's a dog eat dog world because that is what works. In a primitive brutal society it's the strongest toughest guys that appeal to the ladies, so they mate, the toughest of their offspring get the ladies, and so on. But as time marches on and society becomes more organized, brains begin to offer those ladies a better life, and brains become more important than brawn, so it's the brains acquiring the good life that attracts the ladies, and produces smarter kids. And so it goes. Society and humanity evolve. Similar thing with corporations. The company I worked for had multiple "businesses". If one didn't produce, it got cut. People lost jobs, but those "businesses" that did produce employed more workers and the whole enterprise prospered.
 

The metaphor dog eat dog representation of cannibalism is accurate. The difference between humans and animals, humans, is vindictive and meditative of the actions. Animals are not. Animals are not evil, they don't think that way. Humans have a high regard for themselves. However, , egotistical motivation is a handicap.
 
Mr. Ed said:
The metaphor dog eat dog representation of cannibalism is accurate. The difference between humans and animals, humans, is vindictive and meditative of the actions. Animals are not. Animals are not evil, they don't think that way. Humans have a high regard for themselves. However, , egotistical motivation is a handicap.
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I suppose if you're being eaten by a tiger or a shark you're probably not contemplating the generally good natured animal kingdom, (though I do know what you mean).

I accept your view too, but we shouldn't forget the "predator/prey" aspect of the animal kingdom, and the way a new dominant male lion might treat the offspring of the former dominant male, i.e. killing them they say, so their own genes are more likely to be passed on, shows just how cruel life in the wild can be too! 🐅🦈
 
ElCastor said:
It's a dog eat dog world because that is what works. In a primitive brutal society it's the strongest toughest guys that appeal to the ladies, so they mate, the toughest of their offspring get the ladies, and so on. But as time marches on and society becomes more organized, brains begin to offer those ladies a better life, and brains become more important than brawn, so it's the brains acquiring the good life that attracts the ladies, and produces smarter kids. And so it goes. Society and humanity evolve. Similar thing with corporations. The company I worked for had multiple "businesses". If one didn't produce, it got cut. People lost jobs, but those "businesses" that did produce employed more workers and the whole enterprise prospered.
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I think you've given a pretty good assessment of the commercial world, and of course they say: "All's fair in love and war" too dont they,......, (so no soft options there perhaps!). 😓😭
 
RFW said:
Quite a story there. I'm glad I haven't had to deal with lawyers much at all.
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You are both very lucky and very wise I'm guessing, having pretty much avoided lawyers!

Update on mine, the senior lawyer, (who I like), is on holiday this week, and the junior lawyers who I'm not quite so keen on, and wished to leave be till her colleague came back, may have "pulled a bit of a fast one" on me!

Its one they may come to regret, now I've almost accidentally uncovered it, and I'm aware I will probably never know whether this "mistake" was in any way authorised by the senior lawyer.

A crisis meeting seems to be in order, (once again!), and I'm trying to arrange this, though this younger one is trying to say its not necessary, or "not in my interests",(doncha just hate that phrase, folks taking your money using it as a get out of jail card all the time aka " Fathers/Parents rights denial, and "the child's best interests paramount principle"!).
 
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grahamg said:
You are both very lucky and very wise I'm guessing, having pretty much avoided lawyers!

Update on mine, the senior lawyer, (who I like), is on holiday this week, and the junior lawyers who I'm not quite so keen on, and wished to leave be till her colleague came back, may have "pulled a bit of a fast one" on me!

Its one they may come to regret, now I've almost accidentally uncovered it, and I'm aware I will probably never know whether this "mistake" was in any way authorised by the senior lawyer.

A crisis meeting seems to be in order, (once again!), and I'm trying to arrange this, though this younger one is trying to say its not necessary, or "not in my interests",(doncha just hate that phrase, folks taking your money using it as a get out of jail card all the time aka " Fathers/Parents rights denial, and "the child's best interests paramount principle"!).
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Quick update!
I'm very glad to say some of my worst fears/feelings/suspicions have proved to be unfounded, and the cause of the very difficult and costly hold ups and unauthorised actions, or not following through on agreed moves they've made recently, were examples of "cock-ups", not deliberate wind ups, or missteps! :)
 
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Another quick update!
I've gone off the young lawyer again, but I'm oh so tired having spent many hours last night "attempting to assist my legal team", (let's say, or to try to get them to do what I thought they'd agreed to, or we'd all agreed to!), only to have the young lawyer during a telephone "play devils advocate" in my view.

Unless thing change dramatically next week I'll have to ask the senior lawyer to take charge, (if she'll do so), but its all very unsatisfactory as you'll imagine! :(
 
This young lawyer may not yet know it but they've now got a "geriatric tiger by the tail", (metaphorically speaking obviously!).

I think I was lied to yesterday, (maybe not for the first time?), and criticisms made of other top lawyers, one even a judge now, by this young whippersnapper, shows you what a high opinion of themselves they have got doesn't it, (whether genuine criticisms of such experienced legal brains, or simply a "means to lead me down the garden path" I can't be 100% sure!). :)
 
Quiet day on the young lawyer front, though something is certainly building for next week when the senior lawyer is back from holiday, (and its hard to imagine it all ending amicably :rolleyes::mad: !). :eek:
 
grahamg said:
Quiet day on the young lawyer front, though something is certainly building for next week when the senior lawyer is back from holiday, (and its hard to imagine it all ending amicably :rolleyes::mad: !). :eek:
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I wonder if the young lawyer has been reprimanded somehow.
 
RFW said:
I wonder if the young lawyer has been reprimanded somehow.
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I think they may be totally "immune", or "unreprimandible" ,(or think they're too clever to get caught, or have any semblance of normal human concern should it turn out they're "banged to rights", and won't bat an eyelid I'd guess :( !).
 
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Further update!
I'm tumbling to more inappropriate actions by this young lawyer, (and have sent a couple of email messages requesting information that may cause them to dig an even bigger hole for themselves), but unfortunately as there seems to have been so many things done that should not have been done, it is possible the senior lawyer, (who the junior one has confidently told me will support or agree with everything they are saying), may be severely compromised too!
Should be an interesting week next week hey! :rolleyes::unsure::whistle:
 
Its a truism, or a cliche to say "They dont make them like this anymore", but in the case of this song, and its very unusual lyrics, it is surely true, our overseas cousins will have to listen carefully and still maybe wont make any sense of it, (why I think it appropriate to stick it on this thread I'll leave you to speculate):

"JCB song"

Well, I'm rumblin' in this JCB
I'm 5 years old and my dad's giant sitting beside me
And the engine rattles my bum like berserk
While we're singin, "Don't forget your shovel if you want to go to work!"

My dad's totally had a bloody hard day
But he's been good fun and bubblin and jokin' away
And the procession of cars stuck behind
Are gettin all impatient and angry, but we dont mind

An' we're holdin up the bypass
Oh
Me and my dad havin a top laugh
Oh woah

Sittin on the toolbox
Oh
And I'm so glad I'm not in school, boss
So glad I'm not in school
Oh no...

And we pull over to let the cars pass
And pull off again, speedin by the summer green grass
And we're like giants up here in our big yellow digger
Like zoids, or transformers, or maybe even bigger

And I wanna transform into a Tyrannosaurus Rex!
And eat up all the bullies and the teachers and their pets
And I'll tell all my mates, my dad's B A Barakas
Only with a JCB and Bruce Lee's nunchuckas

And we're holdin up the bypass
Oh
Me and my dad havin' a top laugh
Oh woah
Sittin' on the toolbox
Oh
And I'm so glad I'm not in school, boss
So glad I'm not in school
And we're holdin' up the bypass
Oh oh
Me and my dad havin' a top laugh
Oh woah
I'm sittin on the toolbox
Oh oh
And I'm so glad I'm not in school box
So glad I'm not in school
-
Said I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round in his JCB.
I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round in his JCB.
I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round in his JCB.
I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round

And we're holdin' up the bypass
Woah
Me and my dad havin' a top laugh
Oh woah
And I'm sittin' on the toolbox
Oh
And I'm so glad I'm not in school box
So glad I'm not in school
Aw, said

I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round in his JCB.
I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round in his
Aw, I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round in his JCB.
I'm Luke, I'm five, and my dad's Bruce Lee. Drives me round in his JCB.


 
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RFW said:
I wonder if the young lawyer has been reprimanded somehow.
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Do you know you may have given me the best way forward! :)

It will be my aim this week, (when I've travelled 200 miles to the lawyers office), to try to make sure a reprimand of some kind is exactly what is coming for this young lawyer, and the senior might have to choose between backing the younger colleague, thus attaching some blame to themselves for the way they run the show! :(
 
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I have had HORRIBLE experiences with lawyers. HORRIBLE. I would urge all caution when dealing with law firms, the legal community, etc.

As far as "dog eat dog" goes?

There are always decent people in the mix. I don't know the percentages of good people, vs. the narcissistic crowd.

I think it really comes down to will. To a conscious will to do good, despite temptations to take the easy way out.

Having worked most of my life in non-profits, I have seen an enormous amount of good being done. I think it is also about training "the brain" to just see the world in those terms. By that I mean, developing the "muscle" to resist caving in to selfishness, to doing the right thing, despite negative consequences.

For example, I was organizing the placement of posters and such in supermarkets, to promote a food bank's annual drive.

After doing a round of stores, I saw a homeless man outside one of the stores. So, I went and got him a hot coffee and a buttered roll.

But, the thing is, I don't think I would have thought to do that, unless I was consciously thinking about the work in front of me, about raising money for the foodbank. And I am sure, I have passed by homeless people at times, without even recognizing that they were there.
 
JonSR77 said:
I have had HORRIBLE experiences with lawyers. HORRIBLE. I would urge all caution when dealing with law firms, the legal community, etc.

As far as "dog eat dog" goes?

There are always decent people in the mix. I don't know the percentages of good people, vs. the narcissistic crowd.

I think it really comes down to will. To a conscious will to do good, despite temptations to take the easy way out.

Having worked most of my life in non-profits, I have seen an enormous amount of good being done. I think it is also about training "the brain" to just see the world in those terms. By that I mean, developing the "muscle" to resist caving in to selfishness, to doing the right thing, despite negative consequences.

For example, I was organizing the placement of posters and such in supermarkets, to promote a food bank's annual drive.

After doing a round of stores, I saw a homeless man outside one of the stores. So, I went and got him a hot coffee and a buttered roll.

But, the thing is, I don't think I would have thought to do that, unless I was consciously thinking about the work in front of me, about raising money for the foodbank. And I am sure, I have passed by homeless people at times, without even recognizing that they were there.
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Very sorry to hear about your very difficult experiences with lawyers, (this week will probably tell whether I'm likely to end up in the same boat?).

However hearing your assessment of the thread statement, and the contributions of others generally, all helps to give me as philosophical a view of these machinations as possible! :)
 
grahamg said:
Do you know you may have given me the best way forward! :)

It will be my aim this week, (when I've travelled 200 miles to the lawyers office), to try to make sure a reprimand of some kind is exactly what is coming for this young lawyer, and the senior might have to choose between backing the younger colleague, thus attaching some blame to themselves for the way they run the show! :(
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Be aware that no time is left uncharged when it comes to solicitors. You might want to suggest that time spent discussing and dealing with your complaints is not chargeable and make a note of how much of the meeting is spent on that rather than the actual matters you have instructed them to deal with. Apart from ensuring you are not going to end up paying them for wasted time, it's quite an incentive if they know it's in their best interests to resolve the side issues quickly. (y)
 
debodun said:
Riddle: What would you call an Olympic sized swimming pool full of lawyers floating face-down?

Answer: A good start.
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Not on, (even as a joke, and you can get away with all sorts in my world so far as avoiding political correctness!).

All my lawyers, even the young one essentially torturing me as they take my money, (or lead me to wasting it hand over fist), are all good people, though I'd admit right now, "maybe a bit hard, and "lacking in heart"!. :(
 
Trish said:
Be aware that no time is left uncharged when it comes to solicitors. You might want to suggest that time spent discussing and dealing with your complaints is not chargeable and make a note of how much of the meeting is spent on that rather than the actual matters you have instructed them to deal with. Apart from ensuring you are not going to end up paying them for wasted time, it's quite an incentive if they know it's in their best interests to resolve the side issues quickly. (y)
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I know what you are saying, (others have told me the same or similar things), and I believe I'm doing my very best to consider those aspects, but unless I'm very lucky and something/someone comes to my rescue, I'll be beaten on this legal matter! o_O:(
 
I've dreamt up what I believe is a good line to use against this young lawyer, (its so "good/cheeky" I'm not sure I dare use it?):

Quote: "You appear to hear things I don't believe I'm saying, maybe this is the cause of all the trouble"? :)
 

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