It's a Great Day for the World!

Lara said:
I posted on day one that "It's a great day for the world"...and it WAS A GREAT DAY when I posted it. Things change. It happens. Grow up Seadoug and Rich. And for the record, I must first value your opinion before I can respect you, Seadoug. Now it's time for the whole world to pray for peace because the Iranians don't understand negotiations and Tuesday could be a bad day.

As of this moment April 19, it stands that on Tuesday the 21st there will be "talks" between Iran and the US". The US today says if Iran doesn't sign the terms presented on Tuesday their entire infrastructure will be taken out...everything! That will be a Bad Day.

All of the World needs to pray. Let go of the gossip, insults, and name calling ("mob boss, Quiet piggy") and do something productive. Pray
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In case you forgot or never knew, there was a Iran nuclear deal signed through diplomatic efforts in 2015. When the current POTUS withdrew from the Treaty in his first term, Iran simply went back to what they were doing, seeing that the U.S. leadership was untrustworthy.

With the current vacuum in competent / rational U.S. leadership it is indeed time for the whole world to pray.
 
Yes, I remember that many years ago Nathan...big mistake by a previous administration.
Our military strength and leadership are much better now. I will be praying but I understand that is a personal choice.
 
Rich said:
yes, I was born well after the end of WW 2. However, my point is that U.S residents, not counting veterans, have not lived through bombings of civilian infrastructure in this country. I suppose we can surmise the misery seeing video reports on television but I don't think it's totally possible to visualize homes, schools, hospitals, power plants and utility works being destroyed on a daily basis while the leader of the opposing country threatens the obliteration of your entire country. Another poster on this site mentioned (as closely as I can restate it) "We're much better at creating terrorists than we are at eliminating them." How many generations of Iranians do you think will hate Americans for decades into the future as they mourn their dead children and relatives?
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That was me, on this (now closed) thread:
United States and Israel attack Iran Early Saturday Morning
 
Lara said:
I posted on day one that "It's a great day for the world"...and it WAS A GREAT DAY when I posted it. Things change. It happens. Grow up Seadoug and Rich. And for the record, I must first value your opinion before I can respect you, Seadoug. Now it's time for the whole world to pray for peace because the Iranians don't understand negotiations and Tuesday could be a bad day.

As of this moment April 19, it stands that on Tuesday the 21st there will be "talks" between Iran and the US". The US today says if Iran doesn't sign the terms presented on Tuesday their entire infrastructure will be taken out...everything! That will be a Bad Day.

All of the World needs to pray. Let go of the gossip, insults, and name calling ("mob boss, Quiet piggy") and do something productive. Pray
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I understand your perspective, but a couple of things are worth clarifying.
Disagreement isn’t immaturity, and telling people to ‘grow up’, especially in a forum made up of seniors, doesn’t advance the discussion. I’m responding to the points being raised, not making anything personal. Other than the day it’s over, there’s rarely a great day in war. Any single advance made is far outweighed by the worldwide personal, human, logistic, and financial impact of this action.

Many viewed this conflict as a strategic failure from the outset. One reason, properly cited, is the financial reality: the United States is approaching $40 trillion in national debt, and the country is in no position to absorb another prolonged, open‑ended conflict in the Middle East. History offers its own cautionary lessons too numerous to list here.

My only aim here is to keep the conversation grounded, and focused on facts rather than personal remarks.
 
Lara said:
Yes, I remember that many years ago Nathan...big mistake by a previous administration.
Our military strength and leadership are much better now. I will be praying but I understand that is a personal choice.
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Can you elaborate on this statement "Our military strength and leadership are much better now." Can you outline, factually why you believe this to be true?
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Will it be another "great day" in your view when 93 million souls are destroyed?

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"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
 
Trade said:
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
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Those words seem to be based on Ezekiel 25:17, but have bee rephrased and expanded. They have a similar meaning. In any event, I agree with both.
 
RambleTamble said:
Those words were from the movie Pulp Fiction. :ROFLMAO:
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I have not seen the movie, but I just checked and AI makes this coment about the move: "The violence depicted is mostly restricted to gangsters, drug dealers, and criminal, while civilians are not the primary targets." Destruction of a nation's entire infrastructure targets the entire population of a nation, which would be catasrophic and inhuman, whether or not anyone believes in God, scripture, or movie lines.
Trade said:
Lara said we needed to pray, so I prayed.
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That's good to know. I hope you prayed for her as well.
 
Rich said:
It is a great comment and it stuck with me. It's also quite true.
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Three Days of the Condor was a terrific 1975 CIA movie starring Robert Redford, Faye Dunaway, Cliff Robertson and others.

At one point, Robertson's character (Higgins) has an exchange with John Houseman, who plays someone who'd spent many years in the intelligence field. Houseman (Wabash) discusses his start in the field:
  • [Wabash talks about his entry into the US intelligence field]

    Mr. Wabash: I go even further back than that. Ten years after The Great War, as we used to call it. Before we knew enough to number them.

    Higgins: You miss that kind of action, sir?

    Mr. Wabash: No, I miss that kind of clarity.
That scene has stuck with me for fifty years. Every time the US gets into a skirmish, war, action, or whatever the term du jour, I again consider the collective allies, specific purposes and clear objectives WWII and despair at the lack of clarity of purpose and objectives in most, if not all, of our military "actions" in the years since.
 
StarSong said:
Every time the US gets into a skirmish, war, action, or whatever the term du jour, I again consider the collective allies, specific purposes and clear objectives WWII and despair at the lack of clarity of purpose and objectives in most, if not all, of our military "actions" in the years since.
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Well said.
 
Lara said:
Mack in Texas:
That's good to know. I hope you prayed for her as well
Thank you Mack 🤗
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Oh, Lara, for all who pray, we can pray for each other - to be thankful for what we have, while remembering that it is God who is really in control. "Teach us to number our days that we may gain a heart of wisdom," (Psalm 90:12). We can be thankful for all the great days HE has given us, not just the ones when the stock market is up and gas prices are down. :) Things like that can change on a dime, as we have just seen.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Destruction of a nation's entire infrastructure targets the entire population of a nation, which would be catasrophic and inhuman, whether or not anyone believes in God, scripture, or movie lines.
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But sadly not surprising. I don’t recognize the country Reagan called the city on the hill any more. Hope someday later generations can remember the times before a president pre emptively chose genocide.
 
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