Its Assult Weapon time again....yea!!!!!

Davey Jones

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Another one using the assault weapon,this time at LAX but lets not forget Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson and others.
When are we ever going to learn to ban those military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines?
Can't wait for the NRA to explain this one.
 

Well I wouldn't be without mine, I head up our Neighborhood Watch Committee, here is a recent photo of me getting ready to make my rounds.

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Anyone in that frame of mind will always be able to get a weapon - legal or otherwise. I don't even like guns, but I wouldn't want to live in a society where they were all banned; which is what the long-term plans are, I'm sure.

The 'informative' media doesn't spend much time telling us about the homeowners who were able to protect themselves and their families because they had a weapon.
 
This latest gunman wasn't stopped by any armed civilians.

If that wasn't an assault rifle, what was it?
Whatever it was, it was designed to kill people, not moose.
 
I am the NRA Davey. Once again it wasn't an assault weapon. Once again it was a mental case doing the shooting. Once again the media will give him much, much more than his 15 minutes of fame so other nut cases will be encouraged to follow suit.

And here you are jumping for joy for any excuse to ban guns.



You wanna tell us where all these"nutcases"get their assult weapons?
 
The rifle was supposedly an AR-15 assault "style" rifle - a photo of it laying on the terminal floor is in the media. You can easily modify a "legal" AR-15 into something that is full-auto, although that does not appear to have been the case here. NJ bans all AR-15s, but it would be a simple matter to purchase one in a legal state and then carry it into your own location.

The laws concerning AR-15s are a mess. Some states allow them, some ban them outright, others have restrictions. The lower receiver is considered the "firearm", so the other parts - upper receiver, barrel, grips - seem to be changeable in many locations.

Colt AR-15s are specifically banned in California, so either he was illegally carrying it or it was an AR-15 of non-Colt manufacture. That's how screwy the laws are.
 
Although it isn't my country, we in Canada are in a similar situation concerning guns..

My opinion (and it is only my opinion) is that:

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

DO CARS MAKE PEOPLE DRIVE DRUNK
DO PENCILS MISSPELL
 

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Where could he have possibly heard such nonsense..[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LAX suspect had 'patriot' movement propaganda on him, expert says [/FONT]

By Pete Williams, Andrew Blankstein and Daniel Arkin, NBC News

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...t-movement-propaganda-on-him-expert-says?lite

"SNIP.................................


Clues on a possible motive for an armed assault at Los Angeles International Airport emerged Saturday, with reports indicating the suspect was carrying a “manifesto” associated with the antigovernment “patriot” movement and a note saying he intended to murder at least one Transportation Security Administration officer.

The Associated Press, quoting a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation, reported that suspect Paul Anthony Ciancia, 23, said in the note found in the duffel bag he carried into the airport on Friday that he wasn’t targeting a specific TSA employee.

“Black, white, yellow, brown, I don’t discriminate,” the note read, according to a paraphrase by the law enforcement official, who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.
 
So a good idea might be to keep guns away from people who don't really need one ?
Oh I needed a good laugh this morning. It seems so simple doesn't it!?!

Anybody can get a gun anytime they want, nuts or not. Because people always know people they can go to to get one. And we have guns show and sales that are HUGE Flea Market type deals, but it is all guns and ammo. And yes there is a few days wait while you are being checked out, but if you are a felon or completely nuts, then you just have somebody else get the gun and they sell it to you illegally.

And then lots of people inherit their guns, we have been packing guns ever since we got here and never put them down.

I have no idea what the answer is. How could they ever get all of our guns, "they" would have to drive around in big trucks and knock on every door and demand your guns.
People will never willingly give up guns or turn their guns in for money. The gun buy backs they do sometimes in conjunction with law enforcement, about all they do collect are broken rusty guns that you can't shoot anyway.
Do they think some gang banger is going to turn in his automatic weapon for a few bucks because it is the right thing to do.

If we want to pack a concealed weapon, we have to have a Gun Permit, but we can have any number of unregistered/unlicensed guns, the number of these must be HUGE. Are we suppose to have them, no problem, in most states there is no requirement or procedure to register a gun.

When you go to get a concealed weapons permit, they don't care or even ask you about any gun or guns you need it for.

We really are gun crazy in the good 'ole U.S. of A. I am sure the amount of law abiding citizens who own and even carry a weapon is staggering. It is a number that would be impossible to know either, because a lot of folks are pretty quiet about what they have.

And because we all know the criminals and nutters are armed to the gills, some of the rest of us feel it is absolutely necessary to be able to defend ourselves if need be. But I have never felt the need to have my own assault rifle. If you are a good shot, you only need one bullet.

http://blogs.kqed.org/lowdown/2012/12/14/the-united-states-of-firearms-americas-love-of-the-gun/
 
This latest gunman wasn't stopped by any armed civilians.

If that wasn't an assault rifle, what was it?
Whatever it was, it was designed to kill people, not moose.

The latest gunman wasn't stopped by armed civilians because he was in an area where it is illegal to carry a firearm, even with a permit. The armed civilians with permits obey laws.

I'll explain it again. An assault rifle is a rifle that can be fired as a fully automatic weapon, such as a machine gun or military rifle.

The military look a-likes are no different than any other semi-auto hunting rifle except they LOOK like the military rifles. They have become popular because so many of our brave soldiers have been using them in combat and in training and they like to hunt and target shoot with a style they are familiar with. If the shooter had used a Remington or Browning or any other semi-auto hunting rifle the results would be the same

Actually the guns are designed to shoot animals or targets, not people.
 
Ya forgot... DO forks make people fat?

Although it isn't my country, we in Canada are in a similar situation concerning guns..

My opinion (and it is only my opinion) is that:

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

DO CARS MAKE PEOPLE DRIVE DRUNK
DO PENCILS MISSPELL
 
The latest gunman wasn't stopped by armed civilians because he was in an area where it is illegal to carry a firearm, even with a permit. The armed civilians with permits obey laws.

I'll explain it again. An assault rifle is a rifle that can be fired as a fully automatic weapon, such as a machine gun or military rifle.

The military look a-likes are no different than any other semi-auto hunting rifle except they LOOK like the military rifles. They have become popular because so many of our brave soldiers have been using them in combat and in training and they like to hunt and target shoot with a style they are familiar with. If the shooter had used a Remington or Browning or any other semi-auto hunting rifle the results would be the same

Actually the guns are designed to shoot animals or targets, not people.

Excellent explaination, Rkunsaw. There has been so much hysteria hyped up over so called assault weapons. The difference between an Ak-15 and a traditional hunting rifle is cosmetic. A plastic hand grip, a muzzle flash suppressor on the end of the barrel and a plastic piece on the barrel for heat suppression. These additions make it look like a bad ass firearm, but in reality it is no more dangerous than any other semi-auto rifle, as Rkunsaw pointed out.

JFK was killed by a bolt action .38 caliber rifle, and that's a single shot number. MLK was killed with a 30-06 caliber hunting rifle. Granted, these were not mass killings, but devastations to our country, nontheless.

If nut jobs out there are bent on destruction, they will find a way. You can't legislate mental health, and that's the real problem that needs attention.
 
TODAY more and more kids of all ages are finding loaded weapons in their own homes and blowing themselves and others away DEAD.
Today more and more kids of all grades 1 to 12 are bringing loaded weapons to school and accidentally or intentionally killing others.
Im not blaming Mom and Dad anymore like in the past,
Im blaming the gun rights nitwits that thinks every living person in the US has the right to own a gun no matter what the age or mentality of that person is.
 
What do you think would work, then?? Mandatory gun safety classes for everyone who buys a gun?? Much stricter background checks or rules??? You realize that that could mean anyone who had ever been depressed for any reason could no longer possess a weapon??
 
TODAY more and more kids of all ages are finding loaded weapons in their own homes and blowing themselves and others away DEAD.
Today more and more kids of all grades 1 to 12 are bringing loaded weapons to school and accidentally or intentionally killing others.
Im not blaming Mom and Dad anymore like in the past,
Im blaming the gun rights nitwits that thinks every living person in the US has the right to own a gun no matter what the age or mentality of that person is.

....big thumbs up here.
 
TODAY more and more kids of all ages are finding loaded weapons in their own homes and blowing themselves and others away DEAD.
Today more and more kids of all grades 1 to 12 are bringing loaded weapons to school and accidentally or intentionally killing others.
Im not blaming Mom and Dad anymore like in the past,
Im blaming the gun rights nitwits that thinks every living person in the US has the right to own a gun no matter what the age or mentality of that person is.

From a recent NY Times article ...

The .45-caliber pistol that killed Lucas Heagren, 3, on Memorial Day last year at his Ohio home had been temporarily hidden under the couch by his father. But Lucas found it and shot himself through the right eye. “It’s bad,” his mother told the 911 dispatcher. “It’s really bad.”

A few days later in Georgia, Cassie Culpepper, 11, was riding in the back of a pickup with her 12-year-old brother and two other children. Her brother started playing with a pistol his father had lent him to scare coyotes. Believing he had removed all the bullets, he pointed the pistol at his sister and squeezed the trigger. It fired, and blood poured from Cassie’s mouth.


Just a few weeks earlier, in Houston, a group of youths found a Glock pistol in an apartment closet while searching for snack money. A 15-year-old boy was handling the gun when it went off. Alex Whitfield, who had just turned 11, was struck. A relative found the bullet in his ashes from the funeral home.

In EACH case it is CLEARLY the fault of the parent.

Part of owning a firearm - a very LARGE part - is having the intelligence, training and ability to properly SECURE that firearm. That these children died / were wounded is the DIRECT FAULT of their parents.

Your statement about "gun rights nitwits" clearly shows your position, but it is rife with factual errors. Age is certainly already a legal factor in ownership. Mentality? Reflected in the criminal background checks.

Is it a perfect system? No. Is it better than taking away all the legally-owned guns and leaving only the criminals with firearms? Certainly.
 
Another one using the assault weapon,this time at LAX but lets not forget Newtown, Aurora, and Tucson and others.
When are we ever going to learn to ban those military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines?

That was a semi automatic rifle, that was used by a person that was obviously mentally ill and suicidal. Maybe instead of jumping on these unfortunate incidents with such enthusiastic glee to once again jump on the "ban" wagon, you should be asking some other questions that may have led to the crime even happening.

How come the TSA agents/government is spending so much time making law abiding citizens jump through hoops to get on a plane. We can't even bring a bottle of hair conditioner or deodorant in our bags, we have to take off our shoes like we're all criminal suspects, we have to either get nuked or felt up like we're in a holding pen in prison, before we can board a flight. BUT...they let someone come into the airport with a rifle in his duffel bag?? Now that's comforting to know how they're protecting all of us from the big bad "terrorists", those TSA folks are doing a stand-up job.

And why is it that no airport security workers had a gun to stop this guy, come on now, isn't it obvious that these crimes from these mentally ill people would not go so far if they were just shot by an ARMED security guard?? The military troops on the base at the other shooting were not allowed to carry arms either, and they were well experienced with their use. They could have quickly stopped that shooter.

What about the movie theater, where there were movie goers who had concealed carry permits, but left their guns home due to the rules of the theater. What about the schools, they'll go to that place for a slaughter, since it's a given that there's nobody in the building with a weapon on them. We'll just call 911, and cower in a corner hoping for the best until the police arrive. That's right, we don't want anybody to be able to carry a gun to protect themselves or anybody else, we only want the insane person on a mission, to shoot us all down like ducks at a carnival.

Good idea, let's just go ahead an ban all semi-automatic rifles, so that only the criminals and the insane will have them. :rolleyes:

I am the NRA Davey. Once again it wasn't an assault weapon. Once again it was a mental case doing the shooting. Once again the media will give him much, much more than his 15 minutes of fame so other nut cases will be encouraged to follow suit.

And here you are jumping for joy for any excuse to ban guns.

The media jumps on the 'ban' wagon whenever there's an incident like this to promote their agenda. Instead of dealing with the real issues, like why there are so many of these shooters angry and on prescription medication for depression, anxiety, etc. Prescriptions that have side effects of suicide, homicide and violent behavior. I've said in another post somewhere that from all I've seen, anti-gun people get a warm and fuzzy feeling when something like this happens, likely have an instant knowing smile on their faces. I personally am disgusted when I hear of such lives being lost, but even more disgusted when I hear that the security guards had no means of stopping this guy. What do they do, give them a pocket pepper spray and wish them luck?

Anyone in that frame of mind will always be able to get a weapon - legal or otherwise. I don't even like guns, but I wouldn't want to live in a society where they were all banned; which is what the long-term plans are, I'm sure.
The 'informative' media doesn't spend much time telling us about the homeowners who were able to protect themselves and their families because they had a weapon.

You're right Anne, the bad guys will ALWAYS find a way to get their guns, whether we give up our guns or not. I for one, want to be able to defend myself and my family if a thief, rapist or murderer breaks into my home. I don't conceal carry on the street, but will if I ever feel the need to. There are plenty of cases where responsible citizens who had weapons, save their own lives or the lives of a family member in an attack, and those will ALWAYS be swept under the rug by the main stream media, as it does not suit their agenda for gun control. I remember the good old days, when the news reports were not so biased and slanted...now you have to dig for the real story if you want it. I also would not want to live in a society where the guns were banned from the law abiding citizen, and rely on the government or police to babysit me and mine.

Im blaming the gun rights nitwits that thinks every living person in the US has the right to own a gun no matter what the age or mentality of that person is.

Why am I not surprised that you've already resorted to name calling Davey? Is everyone that has a different point of view than you an nitwit?? I'm thinking yes. I am a responsible law abiding citizen, born and raise in the United States of America, and I believe that American citizens should keep their rights to keep and bear arms to protect themselves and their families in any situation. Also, to hunt or target practice, or just collect guns if they choose. NRA member, and far from a nitwit here Davey.
 
The latest gunman wasn't stopped by armed civilians because he was in an area where it is illegal to carry a firearm, even with a permit
At the risk of appearing a bit thick, is this an argument for having no areas where it is illegal for civilians to carry a firearm, including airports, banks and the Olympic village?

I still haven't heard whether the arms he was carrying were acquired legally. Does anyone know?
 
Excellent points, Seabreeze ! The anti-gun people are definitely looking for every possibility where they can try to disarm Americans.
Another interesting thing, is that while this shooter was making headlines, and keeping the news channels busy, no one was paying any attention to China, and the news from there, coming out on the same day.

China has developed newer and better nuclear attack submarines, and when putting out their press release about the new attack subs, they also discussed their plans for attacking the West Coast of America, and killing millions of Americans.
I am sure that China, and probably Russia as well, would like to see this country disarmed, and certainly it would not be beyond them to set up and fund some of these bizarre shootings, that now occur more and more often.

Either we have a huge amount more of mentally unbalanced people (prescription drugs from China ?), or these episodes are being set up for the purpose of disarming Americans so we can be attacked.

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/inside-china-nuclear-submarines-capable-of-widespr/
 
What do you think would work, then?? Mandatory gun safety classes for everyone who buys a gun?? Much stricter background checks or rules??? You realize that that could mean anyone who had ever been depressed for any reason could no longer possess a weapon??

Truthfully I have no answers to this mess,I wish some of these mentally disarrenged gun owners would spend their time shooting all the drunk drivers on the road today.
 
OldHipster said:
People will never willingly give up guns or turn their guns in for money
Has it ever been tried? A lot of people in Australia did just that after our last horrific gun rampage and massacre of innocents - Port Arthur, 1996, 35 killed, no mass random gun crime since then.

I've never said that there should be no guns in the hands of civilians but that people who own guns should have a good reason for having them. I do not have such a reason but if I really wanted one then I could join a shooting club and learn to shoot. I would them have to register my firearm and satisfy the authorities that I had it and any ammunition stored safely. Certain weapons would be off limits to me because they are prohibited imports and if I had one the police could confiscate it.

The trouble as I see it in the US is that the country is awash with firearms and there needs to be a curb on production and sales of certain categories favoured by nutters who want to take out scores of innocents in one afternoon. With the right to bear arms there must surely also be a responsibility to ensure that gun ownership does not become a serious risk to public safety.

IMO, only registered guns would be considered to be legal and any others should be confiscated and destroyed. An period of amnesty could be declared to allow people to surrender illegal and prohibited weapons without prosecution. Of course, my opinion is just that. Others see things differently but all voices need to be listened to in any serious debate so I do not apologise for expressing my opinion.
 


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