It's that time of year again. the fictional "War on Christmas" begins..

It Happened to ME

"I find it very odd that people who live in a country that has freedom of speech specifically guaranteed in its constitution think that that they are unable to utter a very innocuous greeting"

Telling the story of my burned face being wrapped up by an Oriental intern. Family Doctor removed bandages, said, "The Chinaman should not have wrapped this." He KNEW the intern personally, so I imagine he often referred to the guy thusly.

I received 20 lashes from forum members chastising me for using the word "Chinaman", claiming it was offensive, even to them, non-Orientals.

So I ask you then: "Chinese" is the acceptable term? Then, Englishman is also forbidden, I am to say "Englishese". And Irishman, now Irishese. Frenchman, Frenchese.

If I am wrong about "Chinaman", please explain it to me. imp
 

Freedom of Speech, Self-Expression

About 2 of every 10 old retired guys seen around here wear caps sporting various claims: "Viet Nam Vet", "WW-II Vet", "Retired Veteran", etc. Usually, the raucous, occasionally-disgusting phrases, are confined to Tee-shirts.

But once, an old gentleman I spotted coming out of the restaurant, had this emblazoned in big letters across the front of his cap: MUSLIM IS THE PROBLEM

What sort of complete bigot could possibly wear that in public? imp
 
The family doctor could just have said "I would have preferred this wound to have been left open".

The names used to describe people of different races is a continuum of acceptability IMO

Chinaman sounds less respectful than Chinese man but both are better than Chink or Chow. Once people used the term Western Oriental Gentleman which may or may not have carried a sarcastic undercurrent but the acronym WOG is definitely disrespectful.
 

About 2 of every 10 old retired guys seen around here wear caps sporting various claims: "Viet Nam Vet", "WW-II Vet", "Retired Veteran", etc. Usually, the raucous, occasionally-disgusting phrases, are confined to Tee-shirts.

But once, an old gentleman I spotted coming out of the restaurant, had this emblazoned in big letters across the front of his cap: MUSLIM IS THE PROBLEM

What sort of complete bigot could possibly wear that in public? imp

Someone we would call a bogan in Australia. They're coming out of the deep caves at the moment over here to protest against proposals to build mosques in various locations around the country. They are usually well outnumbered by the counter protesters.

This is what they look like

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Oriental is for if you were born before 1940 and don't know any better. But as far as the war's go...people's prejudice can cut pretty deep sometimes. My Mom lost friends at Pearl Harbor and addressed the Japanese in crude terms her whole life. I've known Vietnam vets...same thing, after all these years unless you're writing war memoirs...It's not Charlie or all the other colorful terms anymore...let it go.
 
It's started on my FB feed... people posting garbage about not being able to say "Merry Christmas"... So I ask... "who the heck is stopping you?" I'm sure I'll be unfriended.. I didn't have the heart to tell her that this is NOT a Christian Nation... we are secular.. and that there are Americans of every religion.. Christian and Non.

It'a also time for FOX Noise to jump on their annual War on Christmas bandwagon.. if they haven't already.. what is wrong with these people.. ??

I think it's crazy QS, there is no war on Christmas, and yes I have heard it over and over again each year on Fox news, what a way to get everyone in the holiday spirit. :rolleyes: And you're right, although many Christians would love it to be, and by repeating it hope to convince others, America is not a Christian nation, and never was.

More here.

Fundamentalist Christians are currently working overtime to convince the American public that the founding fathers intended to establish this country on "biblical principles," but history simply does not support their view.

The men mentioned above and others who were instrumental in the founding of our nation were in no sense Bible-believing Christians. Thomas Jefferson, in fact, was fiercely anti-cleric. In a letter to Horatio Spafford in 1814, Jefferson said, "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.

He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. It is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them, and to effect this, they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer for their purposes" (George Seldes, The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey Citadel Press, 1983, p. 371).

In a letter to Mrs. Harrison Smith, he wrote, "It is in our lives, and not from our words, that our religion must be read. By the same test the world must judge me. But this does not satisfy the priesthood. They must have a positive, a declared assent to all their interested absurdities. My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest" (August 6, 1816).
Jefferson was just as suspicious of the traditional belief that the Bible is "the inspired word of God." He rewrote the story of Jesus as told in the New Testament and compiled his own gospel version known as The Jefferson Bible, which eliminated all miracles attributed to Jesus and ended with his burial.

The Jeffersonian gospel account contained no resurrection, a twist to the life of Jesus that was considered scandalous to Christians but perfectly sensible to Jefferson's Deistic mind. In a letter to John Adams, he wrote, "To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise" (August 15, 1820).

In saying this, Jefferson was merely expressing the widely held Deistic view of his time, which rejected the mysticism of the Bible and relied on natural law and human reason to explain why the world is as it is. Writing to Adams again, Jefferson said, "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter" (April 11, 1823). These were hardly the words of a devout Bible-believer.

Jefferson didn't just reject the Christian belief that the Bible was "the inspired word of God"; he rejected the Christian system too.

In Notes on the State of Virginia, he said of this religion, "There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites" (quoted by newspaper columnist William Edelen, "Politics and Religious Illiteracy," Truth Seeker, Vol. 121, No. 3, p. 33).

Anyone today who would make a statement like this or others we have quoted from Jefferson's writings would be instantly branded an infidel, yet modern Bible fundamentalists are frantically trying to cast Jefferson in the mold of a Bible believing Christian. They do so, of course, because Jefferson was just too important in the formation of our nation to leave him out if Bible fundamentalists hope to sell their "Christian-nation" claim to the public.

Hence, they try to rewrite history to make it appear that men like Thomas Jefferson had intended to build our nation on "biblical principles." The irony of this situation is that the Christian leaders of Jefferson's time knew where he stood on "biblical principles," and they fought desperately, but unsuccessfully, to prevent his election to the presidency. Saul K. Padover's biography related the bitterness of the opposition that the clergy mounted against Jefferson in the campaign of 1800

The religious issue was dragged out, and stirred up flames of hatred and intolerance. Clergymen, mobilizing their heaviest artillery of thunder and brimstone, threatened Christians with all manner of dire consequences if they should vote for the "in fidel" from Virginia. This was particularly true in New England, where the clergy stood like Gibraltar against Jefferson (Jefferson A Great American's Life and Ideas, Mentor Books, 1964, p.116).


Founding father quotes to consider here.
 
I don't shop on Black Friday. In fact, I am generally done shopping by that time thanks to Amazon and one local big box department store.
 
I said it early on in this thread that the political correct movement is the problem as too many folks get confused and wonder if what they are saying is offending. We need to back off that political correct stuff and speak as we feel without personal attacks or profanity. I do agree with the several that have said, say what you want and mean. Merry Christmas is OK for one. Political correct is not OK as it is distorting free speech and from one language to another, especially English language, expressions mean different things within a large country like the US from on area to another area or from one English speaking country like the US and Australia or England or Canada. There just is no 'one way' to speak a language.

QuickSilver posted about school holidays. I remember when I was a kid in school we had Thanksgiving Thursday and following Friday off. For Christmas we had Christmas and the following day off. For New Years day we had the 1st of January and the 2nd as well. Easter we had Good Friday as an option day off with a note from the parents. Now it seems that the school allow several days off during the Christmas and new year day season.

We started school on the day after Labor Day and ended the 1st of June. Now I see kids going to school mid August and till later in the spring. They are getting long breaks for 'teacher days' or 'holidays' or 'spring break' or what ever they can call them. Maybe we should just change to trimesters or quarters and let the parents choose the time for their children to make it easier to plan for the family days.
 
Can't believe I'm seeing this on the news already about the design on a coffee cup. :rolleyes: Starbucks can design their coffee cups whatever way they like, they're not refusing to serve Christians like some Christian bakers, wedding planners, clerks, etc. refuse to serve those who don't mirror their lifestyles and share their religious beliefs. Look at this character, fine example of the love spread during the Christmas season. :D https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...jesus-christian-says-in-viral-facebook-video/
 
Can't believe I'm seeing this on the news already about the design on a coffee cup. :rolleyes: Starbucks can design their coffee cups whatever way they like, they're not refusing to serve Christians like some Christian bakers, wedding planners, clerks, etc. refuse to serve those who don't mirror their lifestyles and share their religious beliefs. Look at this character, fine example of the love spread during the Christmas season. :D https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...jesus-christian-says-in-viral-facebook-video/

Just heard Trump calling for a boycott of Starbucks.. Have these people ALL lost their minds??

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I have also seen in FB the call to tell the barista that your name is Merry Christmas so they are forced to write it on your cup... lol!! How about if they just write "you are an idiot" instead?
 
Oriental is for if you were born before 1940 and don't know any better. But as far as the war's go...people's prejudice can cut pretty deep sometimes. My Mom lost friends at Pearl Harbor and addressed the Japanese in crude terms her whole life. I've known Vietnam vets...same thing, after all these years unless you're writing war memoirs...It's not Charlie or all the other colorful terms anymore...let it go.

I am one of those who came before ww2. During the the war and some time thereafter we all called them "Japs" or "Nips". Penny arcades right up to the mid 50's had guns that allowed you to shoot a Jap or Kraut. Ironic for me because after the war we had a lawn service owned and operated by Japanese. I still have no regret in how I felt about the Japanese and Germans during that period. War is hell and one reaps what one sows. I no long hold any animosity.
 
I think it's crazy QS, there is no war on Christmas, and yes I have heard it over and over again each year on Fox news, what a way to get everyone in the holiday spirit. :rolleyes: And you're right, although many Christians would love it to be, and by repeating it hope to convince others, America is not a Christian nation, and never was.

More here.




Founding father quotes to consider here.

I heard it today on NBC morning news. Not fair to blame all this just on FOX NEWS.
 
Can't believe I'm seeing this on the news already about the design on a coffee cup. :rolleyes: Starbucks can design their coffee cups whatever way they like, they're not refusing to serve Christians like some Christian bakers, wedding planners, clerks, etc. refuse to serve those who don't mirror their lifestyles and share their religious beliefs. Look at this character, fine example of the love spread during the Christmas season. :D https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...jesus-christian-says-in-viral-facebook-video/

I saw this, too. Good grief! Don't we have enough to argue about without getting riled up about what Starbucks' coffee cups look like??? Are we getting to a point where everything has to be plain white in order to avoid offending anyone? Should we all start wearing uniforms so no one gets upset? Maybe we should all stop trying so hard to find something to be offended by. Geez! What the hell difference does it make what Starbucks does with its coffee cups??
 
I'm not saying anything; I'm going to just pass out the following card:

HAPPY/MERRY/BLESSED:

[ ] Christmas
[ ] Chanukah
[ ] Kwanzaa
[ ] New Year
[ ] Winter Solstice
[ ] Diwali
[ ] Tet
[ ] Mawlid an-Nabi
[ ] Bodhi Day
[ ] Festivus
[ ] Holidays
[ ] Other
[ ] All of the Above
[ ] None of the Above
[ ] Medicare Sign-Up Period
[ ] Relatives Coming to Visit
[ ] Mother-in-Law Going Home

Did I miss anything?
 
I have often muttered that we Christians should simply move the date of the celebration of the birth of the Redeemer to another time of year and keep it a secret from everyone else. It hasn't always been celebrated on 25 December and another date could be chosen for Christ's Mass.

I like that idea!
 

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