Jayland Walker Killed by at Least 60 Bullets Fired By Police

Everyone has rights, too. He did not deserve what he got no matter how insensitive your comment. Criminals deserve a trial and not to be gunned down by 8 cops. It could have been you too! Criminal seems to me to be a word you use to do anything to a suspect. I'm sure Jayland had a lot of good qualities like we all do. He acted wrong but what the police did still is wrong in my book!

Well you are wrong because ....... it would never be me as I behave , and if I were mistakenly accused of a crime, I would surrender to arrest immediately . I doubt this man had any "good" qualities , remember criminals prey on the rest of us . The police IMO did a good job.
 

Jayland's funeral is tomorrow Wednesday. There have been lots of peaceful protesting, and some of the police and government in Akron have gotten death threats to them and their families. There has been a curfew in that city from 11 PM to 5 am.
 

Jayland's funeral is tomorrow Wednesday. There have been lots of peaceful protesting, and some of the police and government in Akron have gotten death threats to them and their families. There has been a curfew in that city from 11 PM to 5 am.
I read it will be held at the Civic theatre! That is where the world has headed for a long time, criminal death threats to the other side!
 
When Amadou Diallo was killed by NYC police in a hail of 41 bullets, I remember it was said the cops were trained to empty their guns. This was 1999.
The real reason: When police are not justified in using deadly force & they do it anyway, they want to make sure their victim doesn't survive to testify against them at the hearing. A victim evokes more sympathy from jurors.
That only leaves witnesses' accounts - which are easier to refute during cross examination.
 
Based on the optics, I understand that folks find the outcome objectionable. I'm just not sure I understand the exact objection.

Is it

that the individual was shot, or that he was shot 60 times?

that the police shot at all, or they shot to kill?

that multiple police fired shots?

that multiple shots were fired by individuals?

If the Uvalde school shooter was found to have been shot 60 times when the SWAT team finally intervened, would that be objectionable?

Personally speaking, if I'm on the receiving end, anything after the first fatal shot doesn't really matter.

How would you like to see similar situations handled in the future?
 
Yes to your first few questions but you cannot compare Jayland Walker to the Uvalde shooter who killed 21 people. Jayland did not hurt anyone in this instance. He was overkilled which is more adding insult to injury. Intellectualize it all you want until you see and feel what really happened.
 
Well you are wrong because ....... it would never be me as I behave , and if I were mistakenly accused of a crime, I would surrender to arrest immediately . I doubt this man had any "good" qualities , remember criminals prey on the rest of us . The police IMO did a good job.
Regardless, everyone has good qualities no matter what you mean. The police only did a good job to those who think like police. In terms of ethics and morality they are sadly mistaken. Noone deserves to be treated that way. What if you broke the law? Would you like to be handled that way in terms of your rights? He deserved to be treated fairly. Everyone deserves a chance.
 
Yes to your first few questions but you cannot compare Jayland Walker to the Uvalde shooter who killed 21 people. Jayland did not hurt anyone in this instance. He was overkilled which is more adding insult to injury. Intellectualize it all you want until you see and feel what really happened.
I wasn't trying to equate the two, I was asking if it was ever permissible to have shot a shooter an excessive number of times?

When you say yes to the others, just so I understand the police should not have shot even though they were previously fired upon. Should they have waited to see if additional shots would be coming their way?

I'm am just trying to understand various individual's perspective. It seems like the story always stresses the 60 shots, does it make a difference if only one fatal shot had been fired? Overreacted has been used previously regard the number of rounds, what would be acceptable with regards to multiple officers engaging a individual thought to be armed and dangerous?

My perspective is if the police have a reasonable expectation that their life or the life of someone else is endangered (i.e. weapon being brandished or previous fired), they should be allowed to fire their weapon, and that they should never fire their weapon unless they are firing with the intent to kill the intended target.
 
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I wasn't trying to equate the two, I was asking if it was ever permissible to have shot a shooter an excessive number of times?

When you say yes to the others, just so I understand the police should not have shot even though they were previously fired upon. Should they have waited to see if additional shots would be coming their way?

I'm am just trying to understand various individual's perspective. It seems like the story always stresses the 60 shots, does it make a difference if only one fatal shot had been fired? Overreacted has been used previously regard the number of rounds, what would be acceptable with regards to multiple officers engaging a individual thought to be armed and dangerous?

My perspective is if the police have a reasonable expectation that their life or the life of someone else is endangered (i.e. weapon being brandished or previous fired), they should be allowed to fire their weapon, and that they should never fire their weapon unless they are firing with the intent to kill the intended target.
A shot was thought to have come out of Jayland's car door but they weren't very sure about that. I still think the police could of handled this better, like not have to kill.
 
I don't know what kind of gun that police department uses so for general purposes. I'll guess that a Glock with 15 rounds was that kind. 8x15 = 120. That 90 is only 30 rounds short of the 120. 60 rounds would mean that about 1/2 of the rounds per gun per officer hit Walker.

Then as I understand it they would have to pull the trigger to fire each round. I don't care what kind of crime Walker "might" have done. This man was a human being that in NO STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION WAS GUNNED DOWN.

I'm glad there will be an independent investigation. The Akron police chief already stated that fearing for their lives was the justification for the action taken. As I think about it 8 officers shooting at Walker while he is running away, fear him?

One word

BULLSHIT
You're reply speaks to me Knight!! We had a case here in N.J. decades ago that caused a slight division in our office. Our supervisor's father was friends with the cop who shot a young Black man in the back and killed him as he was running away. All of us, except the supervisor agreed that in no way could that boy have been a threat and that it was murder. We let her know we disagreed with her. One of her friends who was also a co-worker and who is White (they are both Jewish) said her sons and their friend acted out the situation and came to the same conclusion...unarmed Black boy, running away could not have posed a threat. Mirroring what you wrote...no matter what that boy did, he did not deserve to be shot in the back. Of course back then cops were rarely (if ever) charged with killing a Black man (or boy) regardless of the circumstances. 😢🤬

SO ...my son has this thing he tells people "Don't have my mother think about you!" 😨 My honorary daughter and granddaughter say the same thing. I was so angry about the shooting and the "Killer Kop" not facing any punishment that I said he will never have another moments peace. Sure enough, I found out from my supervisor over a decade later that he had been suffering mentally all those years and could not find peace in his life. Good for his a*s!
 
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Regardless, everyone has good qualities no matter what you mean. The police only did a good job to those who think like police. In terms of ethics and morality they are sadly mistaken. Noone deserves to be treated that way. What if you broke the law? Would you like to be handled that way in terms of your rights? He deserved to be treated fairly. Everyone deserves a chance.

He had a chance , all his life up to that point. He had a chance to behave , obey the law. I do not know that he had any good qualities .... I only know that when he was ordered to stop , by the police he did not .

Had he stopped , and surrendered to police, he would very likely not even been injured.
 
It seems to me that we have created a chicken and egg situation. We have convinced an entire generation that police are out to kill them whenever possible.

It's not surprising that those individuals first reaction to any police encounter is to run, or even perhaps shoot if they have a firearm.

One of the above reactions may, the other definitely WILL elicit a response from the police that does not turn out well for the individual.

That response by the police reinforces the perception that police are looking for any excuse to kill the fore mentioned individuals.

The cycle continues to repeat and deepen.
 
It seems to me that we have created a chicken and egg situation. We have convinced an entire generation that police are out to kill them whenever possible.

It's not surprising that those individuals first reaction to any police encounter is to run, or even perhaps shoot if they have a firearm.

One of the above reactions may, the other definitely WILL elicit a response from the police that does not turn out well for the individual.

That response by the police reinforces the perception that police are looking for any excuse to kill the fore mentioned individuals.

The cycle continues to repeat and deepen.

I agree completely .......... Which is why I say I wonder when the criminal element is going to realize "running" does not work. It is in the news weekly / daily .... yet they contue to do just that.

IMO, much of it is arrogance , they [criminals] think that they should be permitted to practice their criminal ways , and the police should not have the right to stop them.
 
He had a chance , all his life up to that point. He had a chance to behave , obey the law. I do not know that he had any good qualities .... I only know that when he was ordered to stop , by the police he did not .

Had he stopped , and surrendered to police, he would very likely not even been injured.
Had these dirt bag cops not committed this crime, the city wouldn't have had to pay an innocent man 7.5 Million dollars for a wrongful conviction & 25 years in prison:
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/n...age_9c8ad695-0d90-5300-aa93-1f6fd1bc7c5d.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/detroit-pay-75m-man-claims-cops-switched-bullets-86763273
 
Had these dirt bag cops not committed this crime, the city wouldn't have had to pay an innocent man 7.5 Million dollars for a wrongful conviction & 25 years in prison:
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/n...age_9c8ad695-0d90-5300-aa93-1f6fd1bc7c5d.html

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/detroit-pay-75m-man-claims-cops-switched-bullets-86763273


Neither of which has anything to do with the Jayland Walker topic at hand.

Typical of you ...... when you can no longer reply with a valid point to the topic at hand .......... You go to insult of someone/anyone pertaining to the topic or not.
 
Neither of which has anything to do with the Jayland Walker topic at hand.

Typical of you ...... when you can no longer reply with a valid point to the topic at hand .......... You go to insult of someone/anyone pertaining to the topic or not.
The issue--which you intentionally miss--is that criminal cops are not shot 60 times for their misconduct & crimes. Jayland Walker & others like him are. And cops who commit murder are rarely prosecuted.
 
The issue--which you intentionally miss--is that criminal cops are not shot 60 times for their misconduct & crimes. Jayland Walker & others like him are. And cops who commit murder are rarely prosecuted.


Well lately they [cops] are being prosecuted. And , the cops unlike Walker & others are not criminals going in ...... in some cases they are [much to my lack of agreement] found later to be .

How'bout this ...... Let's just keep doing things your way ..... eventually we will have no one between the criminals & us. Police are retiring early all over the country, and recruitment class numbers are at an all time low .. mostly due to the lack of support by the public at large , and the negative attitude reporting by the media.

Yeah ..... for sure, let's just keep going in that direction .... that'll be just great.

<sarc>
 
The issue--which you intentionally miss--is that criminal cops are not shot 60 times for their misconduct & crimes. Jayland Walker & others like him are. And cops who commit murder are rarely prosecuted.

BTW .... I intentionally missed nothing ...... the topic at hand was the Jayland Walker case .... nothing else.
 
Well lately they [cops] are being prosecuted. And , the cops unlike Walker & others are not criminals going in ...... in some cases they are [much to my lack of agreement] found later to be .

How'bout this ...... Let's just keep doing things your way ..... eventually we will have no one between the criminals & us. Police are retiring early all over the country, and recruitment class numbers are at an all time low .. mostly due to the lack of support by the public at large , and the negative attitude reporting by the media.

Yeah ..... for sure, let's just keep going in that direction .... that'll be just great.

<sarc>
Yes, some cops are being prosecuted.
Cell phones with video have changed the fantasy perception of "All cops are heroes who protect us."
 
Yes, some cops are being prosecuted.
Cell phones with video have changed the fantasy perception of "All cops are heroes who protect us."
Prosecuting "Killer Kops" is a relatively new development Win. For decades they have gotten away with killing Black men and boys, then Black women and girls. In fact these KK's (hmmmm maybe another K needs to be added) got away without even being charged. One of the most heartbreaking cases was several decades ago when a cop shot an 8 year old boy, out for a stroll with his father because he "looked like the perp"...WTF!! 🤬 :cry:

@rgp always makes excuses for them but I suspect that like them, he is racist. He is likely also ignorant to the many circumstances in which the victims committed no crime at all. We (Black people) are very familiar with the term "driving while Black", then there's "walking while Black", etc. and like you pointed out Win...he refuses to acknowledge certain truths. I doubt that he would care anyway. Let sh*t like this happen in his family and I bet he'd change his views. Rgp, don't bother to reply directly to me because I've got you on ignore. Not letting you get on my last nerve ever again! :LOL:
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Prosecuting "Killer Kops" is a relatively new development Win. For decades they have gotten away with killing Black men and boys, then Black women and girls. In fact these KK's (hmmmm maybe another K needs to be added) got away without even being charged. One of the most heartbreaking cases was several decades ago when a cop shot an 8 year old boy, out for a stroll with his father because he "looked like the perp"...WTF!! 🤬 :cry:

@rgp always makes excuses for them but I suspect that like them, he is racist. He is likely also ignorant to the many circumstances in which the victims committed no crime at all. We (Black people) are very familiar with the term "driving while Black", then there's "walking while Black", etc. and like you pointed out Win...he refuses to acknowledge certain truths. I doubt that he would care anyway. Let sh*t like this happen in his family and I bet he'd change his views. Rgp, don't bother to reply directly to me because I've got you on ignore. Not letting you get on my last nerve ever again! :LOL:
@Pecos @mrstime @Ruthanne @dseag2


Well, I'll reply anyway . First , how would you know what I "always" do ... and what I ignore, if you have me on ignore ?

And , IMO I do not "make-excuses" for them . I see these incidences differently in many cases. And I try to explain them from that point of view.

What I "always" do is simply say ..... behaving is anyones best way to avoid a possible negative encounter with the police.

The way in which the police [or anyone] looks at another group of people is brought on by that group's continued behavior . Every night on the local news there is almost always some black kid that has been arrested for this or that crime ..... are they all innocent ? No. How about all the black on black shootings ? That is damn near every night , one or two killed ..... why is it that the black community never riots in the street about that ? You don't think that creates opinion/attitude ?

If calling me names makes your day ? or in your mind strengthens your argument ? Then please continue , I am emotionally strong, I can take it.

And I only wish for you a pleasent day.
 

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