Aneeda72
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And don’t get me started on indentured servants which were mostly, if not all, white.
Jesuits Are Coughing Up $100M for Slavery Reparations.
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Becky: Your last line brought back 1 very important memory. The FBI had surveillance on a human trafficking ring for several months on the edge of Philadelphia. They ran a sting out of a house sort of diagonal from the house where the suspected gang was doing their dealing. When it came time to perform the raid, the state police was originally asked to act as backup, but at almost the last minute, they changed the plans and asked us to go through the back door as they went through the front door. There were 4 of us and 5 of the FBI. At the exact moment, (we used a stopwatch), we both made entry using no-knock warrants. I carried a 12 gauge, double barrel shotgun. The guys inside, only 3 of them, surrendered immediately, thankfully. We also had 2 canines with us that entered with their handlers last. Sometimes the dogs go in first, but this time, they had to stay back and bring up the rear. This take down was done covertly, meaning that only those of us involved in it were aware of the operation.Doesn't matter if former slaves returned or stayed.
The compensation is for being held captive and forced into servitude against their will.
For being bought and sold, for having their children ripped from them and sold like livestock.
And for those who will say, but their own people in Africa sold them as slaves, right here in America and right now, we have human trafficking, same thing, money hungry greed..
We were able to free 2 young adults and 1 child, which were being held for pick up by other members of this gang. We had to celebrate later. It was a good day for the families of the victims and law enforcement. I wished that I would have been there when the family members were all reunited.
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I recommend this recently published book for enlightenment:
Caste: The Origin Of Our Discontents by Isabel Wilkerson
How America today and throughout its history has been shaped by a hidden caste system, a rigid hierarchy of human rankings. The parallels of caste systems in America, India and the 12 years of the Third Reich.
Wilkerson won the Pulitzer prize for her first book The Warmth of Other Suns.
Albert Einstein arrived in America in 1932. He said the following in 1946:
"The worse disease is the treatment of the -egro. Everyone who learns of this state of affairs at a maturer age feels not only the injustice, but the scorn of the principles of the Fathers who founded the United States that 'all men are created equal.'" ... "the more I feel American, the more this situation pains me. I can escape the feelings of complicity in it only by speaking out."
ETA: I had to use -egro because the forum changed (censored) the whole word to 5 asterisk.
Caste: The Origin Of Our Discontents by Isabel Wilkerson
How America today and throughout its history has been shaped by a hidden caste system, a rigid hierarchy of human rankings. The parallels of caste systems in America, India and the 12 years of the Third Reich.
Wilkerson won the Pulitzer prize for her first book The Warmth of Other Suns.
Albert Einstein arrived in America in 1932. He said the following in 1946:
"The worse disease is the treatment of the -egro. Everyone who learns of this state of affairs at a maturer age feels not only the injustice, but the scorn of the principles of the Fathers who founded the United States that 'all men are created equal.'" ... "the more I feel American, the more this situation pains me. I can escape the feelings of complicity in it only by speaking out."
ETA: I had to use -egro because the forum changed (censored) the whole word to 5 asterisk.
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digifoss
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You don't have to know much about American history to know that slavery has been going on for thousands of years and still happens today under other names. It's always been a despicable practice no matter who or what color the slave or slave trader might be. Fifty years before Lincoln outlawed slavery the American Colonization Society started a movement to repatriate freed American slaves to West Africa by colonization, James Monroe and Andrew Jackson were members. Some 12,000 former slaves went before slavery was ended, this is where Liberia is today. The descendants of former slaves that stayed in America are far better off today than they would be if they were in Liberia. Had all former American slaves gone back to Africa there are many great American blacks, past - present - and future, that we would not have had, and would not have had the contributions that they made to America, Fredrick Douglas, George Washington Carver, Jackie Robinson, Jesse Owens, Abram Lincoln Harris, Phyllis Wallace, Martin Luther King Jr, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and many others. Great economists like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell did not and do not support reparations for many reasons and I agree with them. Just one reason is if reparations are made via a tax dole, black tax payers will be paying themselves reparations and their kids and grandkids will be paying interest on the folly for generations right along with everybody else. Another reason is all slaves and slave traders from the American slave era are dead. My family came to America in 1882 so who do I owe reparations to and for what ?
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I read the thread. IMO, Your post had the most sanity and wisdom! Impressive! And @Chet's "Get over it!" comment was great too!
hahahaha! I knew this would be coming!
My adversaries are on this thread, seething with agressive, clever,witty remarks, so I shall cede and let them have their foray.
Today, I am merely a spectator.
Such actions are mainly instituted by Government's, reparations are afforded due to laws being passed, not through lawsuits and judgments.
How distribution is calculated, not sure, but some Japanese - Americans were compensated for Nagasaki and Hiroshima by an act of Congress.
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You are of course absolutely correct. As such reparations to those living today, correct nothing involving those affected then.
But ..... as long as it a private organization ? It is their money & effort , it is none of my business . If in the future it involves taxes ? Then I would/will protest loudly.
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Had they chosen the abolition of slavery at the founding of the US, they would've been ahead of the rest of the Western world in prohibiting it. Wish they had done so.
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They are deserving of compensation. The wealth of the US was built on the backs of free black labor.
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The Jesuits are full of it. Don’t believe everything you read. They have been floundering on this issue since it came out. And they documented EVERYTHING.
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And the lands of Native Americans, the backs of indentured servants, textile sweatshops, unsafe mines... It's all complex and and layered with abuse. Slavery was by far the worst because there was no escape for generations, but to say slavery was even the predominate source of early US wealth is inaccurate. In the South, certainly, but not the US as a whole.
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What I am saying is totally accurate. #KnowYourHistory. Slavery created the wealth of the US and was not just about wealth for the South...The US as a whole benefited from free black labor. It affected the entire nation...The European people who first came to the continent were deadbeats and criminals basically. They literally almost starved to death because they didn't know how to hunt or survive on the land.
There were blacks already on the US continent before 1619. 1619 is the narrative that they want to sell you on. There were black conquistadors and explorers and inhabitants on the continent before Columbus...We really need to move further from what we have all been indoctrinated with to understand the real truth...If slavery were not at the core of US wealth, they wouldn't have been breeding people for labor. When cotton became king it led to the second Middle Passage. That was even more tumultuous than the first.
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Black conquistadores in America before Columbus ...seriously? Some Spanish explorers and conquistadores were of African descent but did not predate Columbus. You can find anything you want on the internet, but you'll not find proof earlier than that on scholastic sites. #KnowYourAccurateSources is more like it.
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Aneeda72
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The native Americans were here first!
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The Jesuits can do as they please with their money. Don't expect me to chip in
You're quite right...you are not very knowledgeable!! Oh naughty slaves, they should have chartered a boat and sailed right back to Africa after they were shackled and brought to America over 250 years after the crime. I had better stop there before I lose my cool
Furthermore, when the Jesuits are done in America, they can step across to Australia and provide some reparation to the Aboriginals and orphans whom they so badly mistreated.
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I'm not black, from what I have been told, blacks are extremely sensitive about being slaves. I doubt my ancestors were all kings and queens., Most probably, at some point, way back when, they were slaves. But my skin color isn't a constant reminder of being owned by someone ? I believe "reparations" might be way to regain some self esteem? So far the "reparations' have all been symbolic, usually food items. Again, I'm not black. I did see a TV program about the Jesuits, and slavery. in Colonial times. The Jesuits built up a huge financial empire, mostly by selling the labor of their slaves. The Jesuits founded a college, which was funded by the proceeds of their slavery enterprise. The Jesuits were good businessmen , and they turned the slavery income into a wealthy conglomerate. But it was all built on the proceeds of slavery.
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FB I "hear" what you're saying but know that the sensitivity goes so much deeper than being descendent from slaves. It's the history of our families being torn apart, our great, great grandmothers being raped by their masters and those offspring also being treated as unworthy slaves. It's our great, great grandfather's being brutalized and removed so they were not allowed to be father figures. It's about preventing slaves from becoming educated...the basic rights of human beings...to learn to read and write our names and be given the opportunity to excel. And it's about the systematic racism that grew from slavery time, festered and is still evident today, complete with it's negative stereotypes. We've been told we are not as smart, not as worthy as our White counterparts yes, even as this country was being built up on the backs of our ancestors.
Being seen as less was evident from the normal workplaces to the fashion industry. Black women had to deny our natural beauty (think hair and build) and be indoctrinated to White standards of beauty. As Black women we had to straighten our hair to be considered for employment (ie: conform) and weren't featured on the covers of fashion magazines for a very long time. As recently as about 2 years ago, a little Black girl was denied the right to be in her class picture because she wore a special braided style (done up so pretty for the photos). Yet when Bo Derek wore the braids in that movie (whatever it was) the industry made a big deal about how beautiful she looked with that hairdo. African women have been wearing that style for decades.
It's about not seeing people who looked like us on T.V. or movies unless they were portrayed in negative lights (usually as dummies and/or subservients). Imagine just for a minute that things were reversed and most of the people you saw didn't look like you plus you were made to feel less than. What would that do to your psyche if that's what you were indoctrinated with during most of your formative years? Some Caucasians don't want to believe that there is a system to racism, but there is. It's evident in the school systems, the prison systems, the economic system and certainly the amount of racial profiling that happens, with many instances ending in unnecessary deaths by police on a much larger scale for Black and brown people. A wound can never heal if it's constantly being picked at, peeled back and messed with so that it continues to fester. So yes, it continues to be a very sensitive issue!
@Rosemarie @Aneeda72 @Gaer
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FastTrax
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Liberties_Act_of_1988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_discrimination_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990
I'm glad you responded in a rational, logical way instead of getting all abusive and emotional as others have done.
The sad fact is, that there is nothing new about slavery, it's been part of human existence since way back. It's still happening now, even in Britain believe it or not.
It might seem nonsense to suggest that the Africans could have been returned to their own country, but I think the American government of the time could have given them the option, and provided ships for them. They kept their culture alive, so they still had ties to Africa.
The story of 'Roots' would not have been possible if Kunte Kinte's memory had not been kept alive down the centuries, so that Hayley was able to return to the very village where his ancestors originated.
FastTrax
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_inequality_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/linguistic_discrimination
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Alex Haley's Roots is a novel, not a historical source. No people enslaved for hundreds of years could possibly keep their history and culture intact from so vast a continent of Africa as they were bought and sold across the colonies. And had they been able to, it isn't as if they could sail back to Africa and claim land and resources after all that time.
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Though there are no sources attached to the video, I did look up the presenter, Jane Landers, who is a professor at Vanderbilt University and can find nowhere that she suggests as you state that, "There were black conquistadors and explorers and inhabitants on the continent before Columbus." Pedro Alonso Niño is as far back as you can go and he was part of Columbus' expedition; he did not predate it.
Aneeda72
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But it depends on what area of the country you lived in, IMO. Black in the south, I agree were treated as less than second class. Poor whites were second class and blacks were treated badly by them. I saw my grandmother and aunt display a level of strangest, and disrespect towards a black man, that puzzled and surprised me.
When I questioned what was going on, my answer was a very hard slap across the face. This was Texas.
And yet, I have a school picture from my dads one house elementary school where 5 of the children are black, amd five of the children, including dad, are white. None of the children have shoes. Their common thread was extreme poverty and I am sure they all lived on dirt farms. This was Kansas.
Dad did not have a prejudiced bone in his body. Mother has “unconscious” prejudices as it is called toward people of color. Dad from Kansas, mother from Texas.
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