JK Rowling and Trans debate

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Rose65

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This is a difficult subject and JK Rowling is being personally threatened for her views. That's something I do not understand actually, a debate is just that, a debate. Why on earth would anyone threaten anyone and their family personally?

My main thought is about the aspect of whether trans men should have access to ladies rest rooms. My thinking is actually about safety. To me going to the ladies loos means a safe place to do the most personal of things. Men are almost always likely to be much bigger and much stronger than women, trans or no this makes them dangerous. I wouldn't feel safe with a man using the ladies loos especially if I was alone in there.

I understand men who feel they are actually women must go through so much. It takes huge courage to do what they must to live true to themselves. Yet I have reservations. It literally opens a door to problems - but I also do not know what the solution is. It needs very careful thought. It is uncharted waters really, the answer must be fair towards everyone and needs the wisdom of Solomon.
 

JK Rowling needs to stop apologising. She has nothing to apologise for. She has the courage to speak out when the wimps around her are too afraid of being seen as trans-phobic to do so. This is the state of things at the moment. We need more people like her to stand up for women's rights. We cannot let the deluded take control. I don't understand what is behind all this but someone is declaring war on the world of women.
 

The concept of separate male and female bathrooms is a fairly recent one. Also, it's much cheaper to build large unisex facilities than individual ones. I do realize the fear of women, being in an enclosed room, being vulnerable, and having a male, there at an intimate time. But I do think it is a phobia, and may not be totally justified, especially with a "Trans". I think it's time to abandon large unisex facilities for individual ones.
 
I'd pee on the floor right in front of it rather than go into a large unisex bathroom. Not the trans that would bother me, I've been in women's bathrooms before with trans. True trans should use the women's room, of course they should. IMO

I don't know what JK said, would someone enlighten me? Thanks.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The concept of separate male and female bathrooms is a fairly recent one. Also, it's much cheaper to build large unisex facilities than individual ones. I do realize the fear of women, being in an enclosed room, being vulnerable, and having a male, there at an intimate time. But I do think it is a phobia, and may not be totally justified, especially with a "Trans". I think it's time to abandon large unisex facilities for individual ones.
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What about women's change rooms? I have read reports of 'transgenders' with 'male' parts using facilities where young girls change. When the parents complain, they are basically told to suck it up. I think this is going too far.

When were separate bathrooms established? You mention that the concept is fairly recent, but as far back as I remember there were always separate facilities.
 
The bathroom problem is easily solved, it seems to me. We should just do away with separate rooms for men and women, and have some little one-at-a-time unisex bathrooms. Sort of like what we use on a plane, only a little bigger and nicer. Or what we all use at home. Aren't all our bathrooms unisex? I don't understand the big fuss about this issue.
 
Sunny said:
The bathroom problem is easily solved, it seems to me. We should just do away with separate rooms for men and women, and have some little one-at-a-time unisex bathrooms. Sort of like what we use on a plane, only a little bigger and nicer. Or what we all use at home. Aren't all our bathrooms unisex? I don't understand the big fuss about this issue.
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That is a growing trend here in Canada, especially at large shopping malls. Male washrooms, female washrooms, and the new addition the Family washroom. The Family washroom has a locking door, and both a urinal and a toilet, both with privacy panels. It can be used by anyone, of any gender. JimB.
 
perChance said:
What about women's change rooms? I have read reports of 'transgenders' with 'male' parts using facilities where young girls change. When the parents complain, they are basically told to suck it up. I think this is going too far.

When were separate bathrooms established? You mention that the concept is fairly recent, but as far back as I remember there were always separate facilities.
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I agree and certainly do not want to use a Ladies toilet that stinks to high heaven and I come out of the cubicle to see a man in a dress washing his hands ! (This happened to me last year)

It opens up all sorts of opportunities for peodophile’s and sex offenders

I don’t see why they cannot have their own toilets
 
Rose65 said:
My main thought is about the aspect of whether trans men should have access to ladies rest rooms.
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I believe you mean you don’t want to share a bathroom with trans women, thd ones who wish to identify as women. Trans men are those born female who wish to identify as male. Was it the ones morn male you don’t wish to share the facilities with? As a male I don’t much care as long as there are enough facilities to go around. But never having been in the military I prefer a separate room or stall at least if sitting is involved. As an old guy with frequent need to pee, I’ll do that with anyone.
 
Sunny said:
The bathroom problem is easily solved, it seems to me. We should just do away with separate rooms for men and women, and have some little one-at-a-time unisex bathrooms. Sort of like what we use on a plane, only a little bigger and nicer. Or what we all use at home. Aren't all our bathrooms unisex? I don't understand the big fuss about this issue.
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Well, at home we know we are safe.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
The concept of separate male and female bathrooms is a fairly recent one. Also, it's much cheaper to build large unisex facilities than individual ones. I do realize the fear of women, being in an enclosed room, being vulnerable, and having a male, there at an intimate time. But I do think it is a phobia, and may not be totally justified, especially with a "Trans". I think it's time to abandon large unisex facilities for individual ones.
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..however it's gone beyond a joke.. just this last week a Man arrested for abusing a woman in a female toilet.. looking for all the world like any average man, insisted he had the right to be in there because on that day, he was identifying as a woman...
 
I agree , even as far back as when I was a child, and we used to go to the swimming baths in the city.. there was always a separate door for men and women to go through to get changed.. .. and there was Turkish Baths in there too.. and the same applied.. separate changing rooms.. and that was 55 years ago
 
hollydolly said:
..however it's gone beyond a joke.. just this last week a Man arrested for abusing a woman in a female toilet.. looking for all the world like any average man, insisted he had the right to be in there because on that day, he was identifying as a woman...
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Something nearly the same happened here in a local department store. There's even a family bathroom along with the customary men's and women's. A guy was not using the family room and was following women and girls into the women's bathroom. Not using it, just following and peeking. He said the same thing about identifying as a woman, so he belonged there. The police didn't agree.

I don't have a problem with trans... I'm fine with sharing a bathroom, but it's being abused by men who are not trans. The same happened with a ladies changing room an another city, by the way. Dude was caught with a mirror sticking under the changing room door where a little girl was. He was "identifying as a girl."
 
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I think if Trans wore the clothing of the sex of the bathroom, that person could enter. No matter which bathroom the Trans enters, dressed as the other sex, will cause problems. I do understand the fear of rape, and I do not want to downplay, not underestimate that. But, if a man was intent on rape, he could just open the door of the ladies' room. That's why I think we should eliminate multiple use bathrooms in favor of individual ones.
 
Rose65 said:
This is a difficult subject and JK Rowling is being personally threatened for her views. That's something I do not understand actually, a debate is just that, a debate. Why on earth would anyone threaten anyone and their family personally?

My main thought is about the aspect of whether trans men should have access to ladies rest rooms. My thinking is actually about safety. To me going to the ladies loos means a safe place to do the most personal of things. Men are almost always likely to be much bigger and much stronger than women, trans or no this makes them dangerous. I wouldn't feel safe with a man using the ladies loos especially if I was alone in there.

I understand men who feel they are actually women must go through so much. It takes huge courage to do what they must to live true to themselves. Yet I have reservations. It literally opens a door to problems - but I also do not know what the solution is. It needs very careful thought. It is uncharted waters really, the answer must be fair towards everyone and needs the wisdom of Solomon.
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The whole world is being held hostage and having their life and freedom turned upside down just because of a few confused people. Everything ran smoothly when people knew what they were and weren't confused about it. Now a few confused people are upsetting and disrupting everyone else with their silliness.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
I think if Trans wore the clothing of the sex of the bathroom, that person could enter. No matter which bathroom the Trans enters, dressed as the other sex, will cause problems. I do understand the fear of rape, and I do not want to downplay, not underestimate that. But, if a man was intent on rape, he could just open the door of the ladies' room. That's why I think we should eliminate multiple use bathrooms in favor of individual ones.
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Not so... if a man opens the door of a ladies bathroom, everyone immediately shouts...Out, Out..this is the wrong bathroom.... if a man in a dress opens the ladies bathroom door, peope are afraid to confront them for fear of being accused of all sorts of ridiculous things.. and the potential abuser knows this.. so in they come.. without anyone stopping them..
 
perChance said:
What about women's change rooms? I have read reports of 'transgenders' with 'male' parts using facilities where young girls change. When the parents complain, they are basically told to suck it up. I think this is going too far.

When were separate bathrooms established? You mention that the concept is fairly recent, but as far back as I remember there were always separate facilities.
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I thought changing rooms were for changing diapers.
 
I cannot imagine a rapist cross dressing to gain access to a ladies toilet and can't say I've ever heard it reported.

About ten years ago, while in Mexico I was in a nice restaurant and needed to use the toilet. The arrangement was 5-6 small non-genderized toilet rooms along with a long sink just outside the bathroom area. Very sensible, I thought.

For the record, as a sufferer of IBS I've used men's rooms many times. Never once did a man upbraid me. A boy about 8-10 was in there with his dad. I heard him say, "Dad, there's a lady in there," meaning one of the stalls. His dad replied, "She probably really needed to use the bathroom and couldn't wait on that long line at the ladies' room." That was it. No drama.

That man was exactly right on both counts.
 
Alizerine said:
I thought changing rooms were for changing diapers.
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Where I live, the community center has change rooms and showers for those using the gym and pools. Perhaps they have different names elsewhere, but that is what my comment referred to. I guess some would call them locker rooms, but one of the pool facilities here has no lockers.
 
StarSong said:
I cannot imagine a rapist cross dressing to gain access to a ladies toilet and can't say I've ever heard it reported.
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I agree. if a man wanted to commit rape, which is easier putting on a dress, fake breasts and make up, or opening the unlocked Ladies' room door. I would feel the same if a woman, dressed as a woman, was in the men's room. But exactly how do address where a Transexual uses the bathroom? And keeping in mind that a Trans transitioning to female totally believes he is a female, but by a cruel biological quirk, he was given male parts. Having persons use the bathroom as how they are dressed seems to cause least problems, for both male/female trans.
 

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