Just Decided to Become Pig Free

IKE said:
I had a very delicious, thick, black Angus T-bone steak this evening and loved every morsel.....it's all about freedom of choice.
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This is what I get a lot from meateaters - they smack their lips and tell me about some delicious steak they just ate, as if I'm going to share their enthusiasm, but it does not sound the least bit yummy to me at all, the opposite.

An acquaintance once recited a lamb recipe to me, knowing full well I did not eat meat. I found that very insensitive. I told her to stop since I would never cook it, but she didn't get it and got offended - really ignorant, some people.
 

Cookie said:
This is what I get a lot from meateaters - they smack their lips and tell me about some delicious steak they just ate, as if I'm going to share their enthusiasm, but it does not sound the least bit yummy to me at all, the opposite.

An acquaintance once recited a lamb recipe to me, knowing full well I did not eat meat. I found that very insensitive. I told her to stop since I would never cook it, but she didn't get it and got offended - really ignorant, some people.
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I surely know what you mean jelly bean! :)
 
Kitties said:
I'm talking about some of the big names in veganism. Dr Mcdougall, Ingrid Newkirk. They have made vicious comments directed toward fat people. They sell veganism as a way to be thin and healthy and people like me are bad for business.

I used to donate and attend events at at well known large farm animal rescue group. But when I heard the co founder state in a speech that vegans should be advocates by appearance as part of an overall speech, I was done. This was stated at an event I was at. I can't even tell you how much that hurt my feelings. I left the event in tears. I have nothing to do with this organization anymore. I'm bad for business and my looks are more important than who I am. I donated money to this organization and loved the animals. All they wanted out of me was my money and I can't visit the animals anymore.
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Kitties, I'm so sorry to hear that, I've heard talk of vegans looking down their noses at those who still eat animal products, but I had to be reminded of the body shaming the big names engage in. If you no longer support PETA, that's not a terrible thing, from all I've learned over the years they are not the best organization when it comes to protecting animals anyway.

I don't blame you for not wanting to be on those forums anymore, who would want to be around people like that, some support! Good for you for breaking loose from these people, there are many quality animal organizations to support out there and many people who choose their diets without the negative judgment of others.

http://www.theveganrd.com/2012/04/body-shaming-fails-vegans-and-vegan-advocacy.html

https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2008nl/dec/fat.htm
 

IKE said:
It's a two way street, I love meat of all kinds and I certainly don't mock or slam those choose to live meat free nor do I expect to be criticized for enjoying meat.

I had a very delicious, thick, black Angus T-bone steak this evening and loved every morsel.....it's all about freedom of choice.
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In the context of someone deciding that they don't want to eat a certain type of animal anymore and with several veg'n chiming in, the finish of your comment belies the part that I underlined. Kind of mocking you know.
 
Debby said:
In the context of someone deciding that they don't want to eat a certain type of animal anymore and with several veg'n chiming in, the finish of your comment belies the part that I underlined. Kind of mocking you know.
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I think that works both ways. Reminds me of a non PC joke I have heard,which in reality is quite true.

You meet 5 lesbians
How can you tell which one is the vegan?



She will tell you!!!!
 
Debby said:
In the context of someone deciding that they don't want to eat a certain type of animal anymore and with several veg'n chiming in, the finish of your comment belies the part that I underlined. Kind of mocking you know.
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*yawn*......It wasn't meant to be mocking at all but feel free to take it as you want.......I also said, "It's All About Freedom of Choice" but strangely that didn't seem to get underlined.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Kitties, I'm so sorry to hear that, I've heard talk of vegans looking down their noses at those who still eat animal products, but I had to be reminded of the body shaming the big names engage in..........
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I don't think vegans look down their noses on anybody because lets face it, most of us came from the same kind of background and we're aware of how long it took to get to where we are today. The irritation that you might encounter comes as a result of being so aware of the levels of suffering that animals experience at the hands of people in all the industries that it feels paramount to say something.....and then being faced with the fact that nobody cares.

And you're absolutely right that body shaming, which is just bullying must stop because it's unkind and accomplishes nothing, but I would also say that the way humanity treats animals is also bullying and only the species is different. The problem is that if you step up to protest the bullying of a person, you are lauded as a 'hero' but if you protest the 'bullying' that animals receive, you are threatened with fines (at the least) or jail. In June last year in Toronto, a group was protesting outside a slaughterhouse. When a truckload of pigs pulled up they began offering the imprisoned animals a sip of water from bottles that they pressed through the holes in the truck so that the thirsty pigs could find some small relief from the heat. Keep in mind that it's legal to transport animals in all temperatures, with no food or water for up to 36 hours. Anita Krajnc, a member of that group, is now facing ten years in jail....because she cared.

And currently, many of your American states have Ag-gag laws in place so that no one may get evidence of animal abuse as it happens on farms and in slaughterhouses. Because nobody cares. Except those who speak up for the animals. But the rest of society would silence us, through mockery (I had a 3" steak last night and it was yummy/pigs are made of bacon because it tastes so good....), to dismissal (my diet has nothing to do with you, mind your own business) or if we suggest a vegetarian restaurant, we're treated to a chorus of moans that start out with "Vegetarian! there'll be nothing for me to eat", to 'if you help ease their suffering, we will through you in jail'.

We're not looking down our noses so much as our hearts are breaking for the animals who are suffering and no one will listen, nobody cares. It's kind of like how you'd feel if you found out that someone you love and trust and need in your life, is abusing kids. If you say something, you'll ruin their life, your life, the lives of your entire family....that's the kind of heart breaking quandary that we find ourselves in on a daily basis.


 
IKE said:
*yawn*......It wasn't meant to be mocking at all but feel free to take it as you want.......I also said, "It's All About Freedom of Choice" but strangely that didn't seem to get underlined.
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Thats because you are the only one who is getting any choice. The animals have none and their desires are exactly the same as yours. Four legged, finned, winged slaves...no choices. That's why I didn't underline that part.

Recently I was taught a very good lesson (which I confess I already knew but momentarily forgot, shame on me) that the words you chose are being perceived at the other end by a person with feelings, perhaps not in the way you intended. (yawn) is mockery on top of mockery isn't it?

And Robusta, your joke is a joke. Not everyone is like that. Unless I'm asked, I don't talk about it. If we're at a restaurant, I'll privately look for a dish I can have, or I'll just order fries or a salad. I've been a member on this forum for almost two years and it's only recently that anyone has really had it confirmed that I chose a vegan lifestyle and not because I started any threads on it. I didn't know Ruthanne or Cookie or Kitties practises the same lifestyle until fureverywhere started this thread. So I think perhaps you also are simply accepting a stereotype as gospel. And your 'stereotype' changes nothing regarding what I've said here.
 
what a crock of crap. Yes animals in the commercial arena are OCCAISIONALLY abused!!!!!! Blanket accusations like that are nonsensical from the start.
Why would any producer abuse his lively hood WHY?? A stressed animal is a poor producing animal,hard to make a profit with poor production.
I would suggest that you turn off the eco terrorist propaganda videos and get out into the real world go on a couple of farm tours and learn the truth first hand!!!!
Yes slaughter is a violent messy affair, but it is what it is, humans are omnivores and while a very few are happy with out animal protein, the vast majority love meat and will continue to love meat.
Get off your high horse and accept that you are in a minority and will remain so. Just another example of a plant eater holding herself out to morally superior to a normal person.
 
It's obvious from your comment that you know very little about the 'animal industries'. Very little or perhaps nothing?

I come from a farming family. From childhood, uncles and cousins all involved in pig raising, dairy farming, beef cattle production in Alberta, Canada. I had two horses for twenty years so I lived in a rural farming community the entire time. And on top of all of that experience, I don't have a bias that prevents me from seeing the reality of what transpires whenever humans and animals are involved.

If you want to get into a discussion of what your digestive system is really like, I can do that too. I can point out that your system is designed more like a herbivores but that we've learned through the application of heat, how to make meat safe enough to eat and digestible. I can point out that your tooth structure isn't even similar to omnivores like bears and the great apes or the canid's. I can point out that your jaw structure is entirely different, your digestive enzymes are different, your entrails are different.....

Bob Comis was a former pig farmer who finally couldn't continue to raise pigs and then send them to slaughter. America born Howard Lyman, fourth generation cattle rancher who ran a massive factory style dairy and 7,000 head of beef cattle quit....and now speaks for the animals. This link gives the story of several of these American farmers who woke up and realized they couldn't do what they were doing anymore: http://freefromharm.org/animal-products-and-ethics/former-meat-dairy-farmers-became-vegan-activists/ What did they finally understand that you refuse to look at?

Slave owners love(d) having slaves too. But that didn't make it right.

Another thing that you are refusing to look at, along with most of the public, is the detrimental effect of the animal/meat industry on the environment. You can take no showers for the rest of your life and the benefit is almost non existent to the planet. You can sell your car and use only your bicycle and while it may do wonders for your backside, by itself, it will do almost nothing for the environment. However, meat/dairy production causes 50% of the GHG's that are harming our environment, wasting millions/billions of gallons of drinkable water, decimating the rainforests of the planet and helping to change weather patterns in ways that are going to cause increasing damage and destruction. The loss of biodiversity on this planet as a result of meat and dairy production continues and at a growing pace. Not only are ranchers working hard to clear the landscape of anything that presents a problem for their 'product' (wolves, bears, big cats) but the levelling of those forests are reducing millions of acres of habitat every year as well as directly killing the species that live in those forests. Approximately a billion acres of American land is either grazed or plowed over annually to grow food for the animals that you will eat. Where there are existing native grazers who compete with cattle, their numbers are also controlled for the benefit of the ranchers and their bottom line. The crops planted will have tonnes of Roundup and other pesticides sprayed on them which will ultimately find their way into the surrounding landscape as well as the ground water and other water systems leading to the oceans where they pollute and kill. Given all of that, the 'confusion' over what is killing the ultra necessary bees is bizarre to say the least.

I'm not going to stoop to name calling and derision because like bullying, it accomplishes nothing. But share information on the way it 'really is', well that I will do if and when the opportunity presents itself.
 
Sometimes its futile trying to reach some people about the meat industry, they just don't get it or are blocked to the idea -- its like trying to take a bone away from a dog. No matter what information they get, they just can't let go, even if it kills them, which it often does, from cancers which are related to the consumption of red meat.

People who seem to be threatened and angry about our point of view might be in the majority right now, but your not going to be around much longer, and as I said in an earlier post, it will be the younger generations now and in the future that will be the instruments of positive change. They will be the ones who clean up the mess that the older folks who are crystallized in their thinking are making - the environment as well as all the other ills that are threatening to destroy the planet - a huge and onerous undertaking.

If someone wants to have the opinion that proponents of animal welfare and eating vegetarian are on are high horses, go right ahead. Think only of yourselves while you gnaw away at your bones and chops, and if you feel even slightly uncomfortable about it, then my job is done.
 
I'm extremely doubtful if there are any meat eaters on the forum that will switch to being vegetarians (I certainly won't ) by following this thread nor will any vegetarians switch to becoming meat eaters so I've come to the personal conclusion that I / we are wasting our time and our bickering back and forth is for naught.

*at the risk of being accused of mocking*......Now if you will excuse me I'm being called for supper and yes meat will definitely be involved just as it was for breakfast this morning.

As far as I'm concerned the vegans on board may now have the last word on the meat vs no meat subject.......I'm done.
 
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IKE said:
I'm extremely doubtful if there are any meat eaters on the forum that will switch to being vegetarians (I certainly won't ) by following this thread nor will any vegetarians switch to becoming meat eaters so I've come to the personal conclusion that I / we are wasting our time and our bickering back and forth is for naught.

*at the risk of being accused of mocking*......Now if you will excuse me I'm being called for supper and yes meat will definitely be involved just as it was for breakfast this morning.

As far as I'm concerned the vegans on board may now have the last word on the meat vs no meat subject.......I'm done.
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