OneEyedDiva
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Unfortunately you are absolutely right Lady! Even a mayor (born and raised here) was grabbed, but let go later.
Large masses of dwellers in USA with no citizenship?
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don't have to prove anything - I was simple asking a question about a national and what seems to be a complex issue - it's called adult discussions not "playing innocent" but if you can't handle healthy adult discussions then don't join in ?
CallMeKate
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Then probably would have been wise not to start it, eh? If you don't "want even a discussion" why would you start the thread? Here's the issue that makes this seem like a statement to instigate trouble... you said "seem to have been allowed to enter the USA" when I'm sure you know very well that ILLEGAL entrance is what started the whole
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Dr.Colosso
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As if the whole world isn't doing the same. They have to flee somewhere.
They go to the rich West, wherever. America, Europe, Australia.
Someone made a comment on the UK thread when I said they were bozo's picking up a pastor. Holland is bad too! Yes. I wasn't just attacking the UK. They arrested a pastor here in a building where he was preaching because he isnt reformed and doesnt preach for free.
I don't think it's a suggestive question. Maybe because of migrant workers? Cause Canada and America, you can't just take a plane there, no questions asked. In the Netherlands it's simple. They just cross the open border by car.
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Aunt Bea
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IMO the only real change has been our perception and the current administration’s approach to the issue.
Americans have largely been the beneficiaries of illegal immigration due to the steady stream of inexpensive entry level workers that it provides in every area of our economy.
It’s true that our government should have taken steps to better control the southern border but American business men should have done a much better job at performing background checks, vetting new hires, etc…
I think the bottom line is that the American people and government simply didn’t have the stomach or the will to enforce our existing laws and maybe that’s a good thing.
America is big enough and prosperous enough to absorb the roughly 4% of the population that are thought to be illegal immigrants.
IMO we should seal the borders, continue quietly and diligently deporting bad actors while concentrating on finding a simple path to citizenship for those that remain.
Americans have largely been the beneficiaries of illegal immigration due to the steady stream of inexpensive entry level workers that it provides in every area of our economy.
It’s true that our government should have taken steps to better control the southern border but American business men should have done a much better job at performing background checks, vetting new hires, etc…
I think the bottom line is that the American people and government simply didn’t have the stomach or the will to enforce our existing laws and maybe that’s a good thing.
America is big enough and prosperous enough to absorb the roughly 4% of the population that are thought to be illegal immigrants.
IMO we should seal the borders, continue quietly and diligently deporting bad actors while concentrating on finding a simple path to citizenship for those that remain.
Warrigal
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The word "illegal" can change its meaning according to the times.
For example, two of my ancestors came to Australia as convicted felons in the late 18th Century. The English government sent them here legally according to their laws. The indigenous people who lived here had no say in the matter and were not consulted, nor were they compensated for the loss of their hunting and fishing grounds. Still, it was legal according to British law.
As time passed laws were passed by Australian government and we had something called the "White Australia Policy" that was passed to keep Australia white and British. Every would be immigrant required to pass a dictation test, but the catch was the language of the test presented to them. It could be in any language that the authorities chose. This was used outrageously to keep out "undesirables" because a Jewish immigrant from France, say, could be asked to take the dictation test in Welsh, or Gaelic. This was legal, but also very unjust. Legal and just are not the same thing.
The White Australia policy was finally abandoned in 1975. There are people today who would want it to be resurrected.
Yesterday I read something that was written by Benjamin Franklin when he was still a teenager.* It was a warning about governments becoming out of control and the need for laws to prevent such a happening. The same concern is written into the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. State power is not, nor should it be, unlimited. The passage of some laws can lead to injustice and are morally wrong. In a free society, it is up to the people to challenge such laws until, like the White Australia Policy, they are changed or abolished.
It may be legal to remove "illegals" from the country but in a free and moral society they should be granted due process.
* This article is where I read about the 16 year old Benjamin Franklin's early writing. As a former teacher I learned that advanced moral development is a clear sign of a gifted child.
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For example, two of my ancestors came to Australia as convicted felons in the late 18th Century. The English government sent them here legally according to their laws. The indigenous people who lived here had no say in the matter and were not consulted, nor were they compensated for the loss of their hunting and fishing grounds. Still, it was legal according to British law.
As time passed laws were passed by Australian government and we had something called the "White Australia Policy" that was passed to keep Australia white and British. Every would be immigrant required to pass a dictation test, but the catch was the language of the test presented to them. It could be in any language that the authorities chose. This was used outrageously to keep out "undesirables" because a Jewish immigrant from France, say, could be asked to take the dictation test in Welsh, or Gaelic. This was legal, but also very unjust. Legal and just are not the same thing.
The White Australia policy was finally abandoned in 1975. There are people today who would want it to be resurrected.
Yesterday I read something that was written by Benjamin Franklin when he was still a teenager.* It was a warning about governments becoming out of control and the need for laws to prevent such a happening. The same concern is written into the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. State power is not, nor should it be, unlimited. The passage of some laws can lead to injustice and are morally wrong. In a free society, it is up to the people to challenge such laws until, like the White Australia Policy, they are changed or abolished.
It may be legal to remove "illegals" from the country but in a free and moral society they should be granted due process.
* This article is where I read about the 16 year old Benjamin Franklin's early writing. As a former teacher I learned that advanced moral development is a clear sign of a gifted child.
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