Late night musings about same sex marriage.

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Veronica

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I was reading an article about how same sex partners will now be able to collect social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.

This made me wonder do you have to be gay/lesbian to have a same sex marriage. Is there any reason why two straight people of the same sex cant get married. I dont have anyone personally in mind but say you do. Maybe a best friend? The person you choose would be eligible for social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.
 

Veronica said:
I was reading an article about how same sex partners will now be able to collect social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.

This made me wonder do you have to be gay/lesbian to have a same sex marriage. Is there any reason why two straight people of the same sex cant get married. I dont have anyone personally in mind but say you do. Maybe a best friend? The person you choose would be eligible for social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.
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Why not? The key word is "marriage". The unnamed word is "official". You cannot claim that in your country, called Tramtaria, you are considered married if you pay for a meal or as in Iran you have a Nikah mut'ah. Those sorts of marriages are not recognized in the West. "White marriages" are accepted, however, they are legal.
 

As far as I know the government sex police won’t know any more about your relationship than you care to share.

I’ve known a couple of older veterans that married young single moms so they could qualify for various spousal benefits.

As far as I know they were purely business arrangements where the men received care in their final years in exchange for an extension of benefits.

It seems like one of those loopholes in the system that is legal but may be unethical.
 
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Veronica said:
This made me wonder do you have to be gay/lesbian to have a same sex marriage. Is there any reason why two straight people of the same sex cant get married. I dont have anyone personally in mind but say you do. Maybe a best friend? The person you choose would be eligible for social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.
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Not sure about your system in US - but in Australia gay married couples have same social security etc benifits as straight married couples or for that matter de facto couples, straight or gay.

There is nothing to stop 2 single people having a marriage of convenience - whether one or both is straight or gay or asexual

But by doing so they don't just have the financial benifits - they become NOK, can make decisons about each others medical care, contest each others wills and so on.

and in most situations here 2 single people would be entitled to more combined than a couple - so it is more likely to happen other way round - ie people pretend they are only housemates or one is living elsewhere when in fact they are a couple.
 
I am very concerned about whether same sex marriage will meet the Supreme Court again with a different outcome.
Yes, 2 same sex, straight people can be married. Currently.
Fingers crossed for my gay co-citizens; I fear for them and fear the right of marriage will be discontinued.
 
Prior to the SCOTUS decision on same sex marriage my state, NJ recognized Domestic Partnerships and Civil Unions, entitling same sex partners to share equally in all benefits. IDK what might happen now that SCOTUS is packed with far right conservatives.
 
Veronica said:
I was reading an article about how same sex partners will now be able to collect social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.

This made me wonder do you have to be gay/lesbian to have a same sex marriage. Is there any reason why two straight people of the same sex cant get married. I dont have anyone personally in mind but say you do. Maybe a best friend? The person you choose would be eligible for social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.
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there is no reason why 2 straight people of the same sex can't be married... however I don't know how it is in the USA.. but here in the UK , benefits et al are more lucrative if one is single... if I understand it correctly...so easier or 2 people to stay single but live in the same house
 
It's a shame that we find ourselves in a situation where gaming the system may be necessary for some to live comfortably. I have no problem with it. Aside from personal religious beliefs, which pertain solely to the individual objecting, I find it perplexing why there is so much controversy. Why should anyone be concerned with whom someone chooses to marry? I suppose people should be more worried about the rampant violence and hate in this world rather than what 2 people that care for each other are doing.
 
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Inept said:
Why not? The key word is "marriage". The unnamed word is "official". You cannot claim that in your country, called Tramtaria, you are considered married if you pay for a meal or as in Iran you have a Nikah mut'ah. Those sorts of marriages are not recognized in the West. "White marriages" are accepted, however, they are legal.
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The key issue is the official recognition of marriage by the state or governing authority. In Western legal systems, marriage is a formalized institution with specific requirements and benefits. While cultural or informal marriages may hold personal or social significance, they do not carry the same legal weight. If two straight people of the same sex choose to marry within the legal framework, they can do so, but they must be aware of the potential legal and social implications. The question of "why not?" ultimately hinges on the intent behind the marriage and whether it aligns with the legal and cultural expectations of the institution.
 
Rich said:
.... Why should anyone be concerned with whom someone chooses to marry? I suppose people should be more worried about the rampant violence and hate in this world rather than what 2 people that care for each other are doing.
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I agree completely. What is "love"??? If you can define it I am sure it would apply to both heterosexuasls as well as homosexuals.
 
Paco Dennis said:
The key issue is the official recognition of marriage by the state or governing authority.
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I already said that.
Paco Dennis said:
... The question of "why not?" ultimately hinges on the intent behind the marriage ...
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No, it does not. People get married for all sorts of reasons. Their "intent" is personal.
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and whether it aligns with the legal and cultural expectations of the institution.
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"Cultural expectations"? I think not. I am sure there was a time when producing a certain number of children would have determined whether or not an annullment was in order. That's no longer relevant.
 
Some couples do marry for financial reasons so I suppose two people who are just friends might do for the same benefits. But what happens when one of them falls in love with someone else and wants to have a proper marriage?
 
Aunt Bea said:
I think that the government should leave the business of marriage up to religious organizations and stick with civil unions/partnerships between any combination of consenting adults.
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I also think that a "marriage" is one thing... a legal partnership/union is another.

It seems to me that confusing the two is at the root of all the arguing going on... a battle of semantics, so to speak.
Although, there seems to be an attempt to redefine what a marriage is, as opposed to what it used to mean.

I prefer the traditional definition of one man + one woman, the Biblical view.
I also understand that the times are a changin' and language is also always changing too.

I have heard that some Christian congregations are getting away from doing "legal" marriages and doing only Christian marriages... letting the new couple sort things out with the legal issues. I like that idea.
 
Veronica said:
I was reading an article about how same sex partners will now be able to collect social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.

This made me wonder do you have to be gay/lesbian to have a same sex marriage. Is there any reason why two straight people of the same sex cant get married. I dont have anyone personally in mind but say you do. Maybe a best friend? The person you choose would be eligible for social security benefits, pensions, and all the things that we straights take for granted.
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Any laws we currently have protecting individual rights are subject to change as we've seen from recent court decisions.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I think that the government should leave the business of marriage up to religious organizations and stick with civil unions/partnerships between any combination of consenting adults.
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I agree with this with the stipulation, they are both exactly the same in the eyes of the law. Under no circumstances should a religious marriage give any couple any legal rights over that of a civil partnership united couple.
 
Ted01 said:
I also think that a "marriage" is one thing... a legal partnership/union is another.

It seems to me that confusing the two is at the root of all the arguing going on... a battle of semantics, so to speak.
Although, there seems to be an attempt to redefine what a marriage is, as opposed to what it used to mean.

I prefer the traditional definition of one man + one woman, the Biblical view.
I also understand that the times are a changin' and language is also always changing too.

I have heard that some Christian congregations are getting away from doing "legal" marriages and doing only Christian marriages... letting the new couple sort things out with the legal issues. I like that idea.
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I was under the impression that a church wedding has to be preceeded by a legal wedding.
 
Veronica said:
This made me wonder do you have to be gay/lesbian to have a same sex marriage. Is there any reason why two straight people of the same sex cant get married.
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Same sex is exactly what it States. Settled law permitting it has nothing to do with feelings, true love, compassion, etc.
 
Twostep said:
I was under the impression that a church wedding has to be preceeded by a legal wedding.
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Hmm, my thoughts were always that they were two separate things, and the order of sequence was of no consequence... but idk, you might be right.
I'm confident that the people who "officiate" at the church(es) that I follow would stay within the bounds of the laws, but I wouldn't want to speculate about all churches in the US that call themselves Christian doing the same thing... again, idk, though I'd like to think that they would.
 

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