you are missing out the delicate nuances here - no agreed cannot re-construct as a biological man or woman - sure but there are other nuances - one can feel feminine or masculine and even talk differently I have spoken to such? act more masculine or feminine etc etc - you are glossing over too much sweetie!!
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VaughanJB
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How? Feeling feminine doesn't make you trans. Neither does speech. Being considered trans requires some action other than acting feminine, or speaking a certain way.
Twostep
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Apparently you are incorrect according to some recent "coming out and having children" articles. Where there is money there is a way.
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Ain't she girly?
VaughanJB
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Incorrect about what? I've yet to see/here a trans-man be able to reclaim their feminine voice, for example. Breasts don't grow back, etc. In fact, just a couple days ago I watched a video about a trans-man who now has to take birth control for the remainder of their lives because they have been permanently changed hormonally. Still, I'm certainly not an expert.
As for trans women..... once the ***** and testicles are removed, how do they revert?
VaughanJB
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Girly or not, this is an example of something that simply should not be allowed. It's asinine, imo.
these are just terms that are banded about there are not describing the true emotions being experienced fgs
VaughanJB
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Of course. People say, "I have cancer", but that doesn't cover half of what such a diagnosis really means. I have been reunited with my wife, but saying so doesn't cover much of what it truly means. That's normal, I think.
your definition of normal is your own - it certainly doesn't apply to the rest of us??
VaughanJB
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What I think isn't relevant. I can clarify for someone in a given situation, but that's it. That said, there are societal norms. Those are generalizations, and are generally considered to apply to all. Which is why those that don't comply feel out of place.
I can understand the controversy about trans people on sports teams. Not sure where I stand on that myself.
But the bathroom issue is total nonsense, IMO. What do we have on planes? Unisex bathrooms. What are the bathrooms in our homes? Unisex. For Cripe's sake, what's the big fuss about? Why must bathrooms have multiple stalls? Just make them all single-person size, with one toilet and one sink, maybe a baby-changing station, and the problem is solved.
But the bathroom issue is total nonsense, IMO. What do we have on planes? Unisex bathrooms. What are the bathrooms in our homes? Unisex. For Cripe's sake, what's the big fuss about? Why must bathrooms have multiple stalls? Just make them all single-person size, with one toilet and one sink, maybe a baby-changing station, and the problem is solved.
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Note the calendars! We agree on something.
It continually amazes me that so much debate takes place over a group that is between .06 and 1.6 percent of the US population. I'm sure it fascinates many but so much energy is spent debating over something very few of us have experienced. In my view, trans people should be able to live their lives as they please so long as they aren't impacting anyone else's rights (which they are not). If someone identifies as "she" that is precisely how I will acknowledge them because I know that is how they feel inside.
There isn't even a reason for the "what is a woman?" argument. It has been created by insecure men who are afraid they might find a trans person attractive and it would crush their masculinity.
I know very few trans people, as I'm sure is the same for most of you, so who am I to judge how someone else views themselves? I would certainly welcome someone who is trans into my friend group.
How do they personally affect your lives? They don't. Decades ago, this same argument would have been taking place over gay rights with Anita Bryant and we see how that turned out. Only true homophobes are still trying to deny gay rights.
And for anyone who dares to reply with "well, they shove it in our faces", no they don't. Like the LGBT community of yesteryear, they are simply trying to fight for equal rights.
There isn't even a reason for the "what is a woman?" argument. It has been created by insecure men who are afraid they might find a trans person attractive and it would crush their masculinity.
I know very few trans people, as I'm sure is the same for most of you, so who am I to judge how someone else views themselves? I would certainly welcome someone who is trans into my friend group.
How do they personally affect your lives? They don't. Decades ago, this same argument would have been taking place over gay rights with Anita Bryant and we see how that turned out. Only true homophobes are still trying to deny gay rights.
And for anyone who dares to reply with "well, they shove it in our faces", no they don't. Like the LGBT community of yesteryear, they are simply trying to fight for equal rights.
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I worked with and for trans and gays for 25 years and I was in a position where the stringent HR codes did not always apply to me. Plus, you let people talk they will do so. Some are great people and we are still in touch be it for chitchat or picking grey matter. Others pushed their rights.
Live and let live please!
do any women want you as their defendant in this case? - or are you just taking it on your own shoulders as a personal battle of your own. You are beginning to sound like a fighter with ya own lost cause?
Why would you then post a picture of a trans athlete saying "Ain't she girly?" Seems you didn't learn very much working with and for trans and "gays". Seems you like to pick and choose whether or not you like specific gay or trans people.
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Am I supposed to be reading this stuff and keeping a straight face? At my age, it is pathetic trying to really make sense of "it".
I guess if some of you guys would prefer wearing dresses, and the ladies would prefer cigars to cigarettes - - have at it. Just don't act resentful if folks like myself get a chuckle out of it.
I guess if some of you guys would prefer wearing dresses, and the ladies would prefer cigars to cigarettes - - have at it. Just don't act resentful if folks like myself get a chuckle out of it.
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It is rare but if you are born intersex it is normal for you. We no longer try to coerce left handlers to write right but the sensibilities of so many people where sex and gender are concerned are still naive and pushy.
I wonder if you’ve read Middlesex by Eugenoides? Pulitzer Prize winner and a very compelling story.
Cross dressing is not the same as transitioning - some men like to dress up as women but live their life as a man.
And of course men do wear mens clothing dresses and skirts in various forms around the world.
I'm not sure what is funny about that.
I absolutely agree that no one should be mistreated or discriminated against. But I respectfully take issue with the idea that someone can actually 'transition' to another gender. You can alter appearances and adopt different social roles, but biologically speaking, your sex is written into every cell of your body. That’s not hate or intolerance, it’s just reality. I support people’s right to live how they want, but I don’t believe we should be required to accept something as fact that isn’t scientifically possible.
oh come on - we all know biologically or DNA wise people cannot change gender - are we really back to that??
We also all know what transitioning means.
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