Loss city - climate change - really?

rwb said:
For the climate change nuts, here is a story about a Mexican city that was supposedly doomed by climate change according to the so called "experts" about a 1000 or more years ago. Guess what? the rest of the world survived!!

https://www.wired.com/story/lost-maya-city-valeriana-interview/


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You're obviously talking about the climate change deniers when you include the term "nuts".
 

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rwb said:
For the climate change nuts, here is a story about a Mexican city that was supposedly doomed by climate change according to the so called "experts" about a 1000 or more years ago. Guess what? the rest of the world survived!!
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What does "the rest of the world" have to do with the collapse of the Mayan civilization? Did you even read the article? The article you linked to said "Generally speaking, the archaeological community agrees that climate change played a role in the collapse of Maya civilization in the Classic Lowlands."
 
rwb said:
For the climate change nuts, here is a story about a Mexican city that was supposedly doomed by climate change according to the so called "experts" about a 1000 or more years ago. Guess what? the rest of the world survived!!

https://www.wired.com/story/lost-maya-city-valeriana-interview/


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The article you're referring to doesn't actually support the claim that climate change predictions are exaggerated. Instead, it discusses the complex factors that led to the decline of Maya civilization, including climate change.
 
Paco Dennis said:
The article you're referring to doesn't actually support the claim that climate change predictions are exaggerated. Instead, it discusses the complex factors that led to the decline of Maya civilization, including climate change.
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The fact that the article references climate change as a contributing factor of an event that happened a 1000 years ago is enough for me to wonder if climate change that long ago helped ruin a civilization, why are we still alive? I guess the larger question is if the citizens of the city were the contributing factor due to excessive CO2 build up - from fires? or what sources of energy ruined their lives.
 
rwb said:
The fact that the article references climate change as a contributing factor of an event that happened a 1000 years ago is enough for me to wonder if climate change that long ago helped ruin a civilization, why are we still alive? I guess the larger question is if the citizens of the city were the contributing factor due to excessive CO2 build up - from fires? or what sources of energy ruined their lives.
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That is legitimate questions. To form a short answer that makes sense in the context of this subject I am going to need some help. I use a "educational" AI to do this. The numbers, if clicked on, give the sources where the info came from. This is a reasonable and factual explanation. IMO

Historical Climate Change vs. Modern Climate Change​

Historical climate change and modern climate change differ significantly in their causes, speed, and impact:
  1. Natural vs. Anthropogenic: Most historical climate changes were caused by natural factors such as variations in the Earth's orbit, solar activity, or volcanic eruptions
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    . In contrast, current climate change is primarily driven by human activities, particularly the emission of greenhouse gases.
  2. Rate of Change: Historical climate changes typically occurred over much longer periods, allowing for some adaptation. Modern climate change is happening at an unprecedented rate
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  3. Scale: While historical climate changes were often regional, current climate change is global in scale.

Impact on Civilizations​

Historical climate changes did contribute to the decline of some civilizations, but this doesn't mean all of humanity was at risk:
  1. Localized Effects: Climate changes often affected specific regions more severely than others. For example, prolonged droughts impacted the Mayan civilization and the Akkadian empire
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  2. Adaptation and Migration: Many societies adapted to changing conditions or migrated to more favorable areas
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  3. Resilience: Ancient societies often showed remarkable resilience in the face of climate challenges
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Sources of Climate Change in Ancient Civilizations​

The climate changes that affected ancient civilizations were not caused by their own activities:
  1. Natural Cycles: Most changes were due to natural climate variability, such as the cycles of ice ages
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  2. Volcanic Activity: Major volcanic eruptions could cause temporary climate shifts
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  3. Solar Activity: Changes in solar radiation affected Earth's climate over long periods.

Why We're Still Here​

Despite historical climate changes, humanity as a whole survived for several reasons:
  1. Geographical Diversity: Not all regions were affected equally by climate changes.
  2. Technological Advancements: Humans developed new technologies and strategies to cope with changing environments.
  3. Social Adaptability: Societies often reorganized or relocated in response to environmental pressures
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Modern Concerns​

The current climate crisis is different and more concerning because:
  1. Global Scale: It affects the entire planet simultaneously.
  2. Rapid Change: The speed of change may outpace our ability to adapt.
  3. Population Pressure: Earth now supports a much larger human population, making adaptation more challenging.
In conclusion, while historical climate changes did impact civilizations, they were fundamentally different from the human-induced climate change we face today. The survival of humanity through past climate shifts doesn't guarantee our resilience to current and future changes, given their unprecedented nature and scale.

perplexit.ai
 
Don't worry life will go on. Mother nature will create it after we all kills us off.
Its Elemental Watson. The Earth's Climate has constantly changed over its existence.
There have been many kill offs. Nothing new to report. Honey Bee's, Eagles, Fish.
All the same.

Maybe the shifting of the Continents along with Volcanic events are sort of the reasons.

More than 99 percent of all species that ever lived (over five billion) [1] are estimated to be extinct. [2][3] Estimates on the number of Earth's current species range from 10 million to 14 million, [4] with about 1.2 million or 14% documented, the rest not yet described.

Life: Evolution and Extinction | Science for the Public

Maybe we are fortunate to believe we are the dominate species? Maybe not.

One only hast to add up all the Coal, Oil, NG equal all the deaths. Maybe we have released half of that Carbon back to recycle.

How much carbon is in the huyman body - Bing

=18%? Sure all the low lands of earth will be under water, new lowlands and better fishing. Sure Holland etc. will be wetlands.
More wars will fix all that!
So Science is proving to itself anyway that when you are dead your cells continue to another demension of life. So I guess mortification sux. Better to bob-brun the candle out is a thought.

MSN

So your essence never really dies unless you get mortification and lay there for a long - long time in a sealed coffin.

But what seals da deal: Microbes !

But now, a study sheds light on what’s driving record methane emissions. The culprits, scientists believe, are microbes — the tiny organisms that live in cows’ stomachs, agricultural fields and wetlands. And that could mean a dangerous feedback loop — in which these emissions cause warming that releases even more greenhouse gases — is already underway.

“The changes that we saw in the last couple of years — and even since 2007 — are microbial,” said Sylvia Michel, lead author of the paper published last month in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. “Wetlands, if they are getting warmer and wetter, maybe they’re producing more methane than they used to.”
 
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MACKTEXAS said:
https://www.epa.gov/climatechange-science/impacts-climate-change
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Good article. Thanks!

From the article :

Adapting to Climate Change​

Adaptation helps us prepare for some of the likely effects of climate change by reducing their impacts on ecosystems and people's well-being. Examples of adaptation include strengthening water conservation programs, upgrading stormwater systems, developing early warning systems for extreme heat events, and preparing for stronger storms through better emergency preparation and response strategies.
 
rwb said:
The fact that the article references climate change as a contributing factor of an event that happened a 1000 years ago is enough for me to wonder if climate change that long ago helped ruin a civilization, why are we still alive? I guess the larger question is if the citizens of the city were the contributing factor due to excessive CO2 build up - from fires? or what sources of energy ruined their lives.
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Yes because apparently it is our action that is causing it. Not volcanos, not natural occurrences, not cyclical changes, no it was us!

What could people have done 1000 years ago to create catastrophic CC? Nothing.
 
rwb said:
For the climate change nuts, here is a story about a Mexican city that was supposedly doomed by climate change according to the so called "experts" about a 1000 or more years ago. Guess what? the rest of the world survived!!

https://www.wired.com/story/lost-maya-city-valeriana-interview/


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What are "climate change nuts"? Climate change is real, and is supported by tons of data. Planning for that change is common sense, which likely means we won't do it, and will then react in shock when disasters happen.

Extremists are just that extreme. Fine, but that doesn't negate climate change being real.
 
VaughanJB said:
What are "climate change nuts"? Climate change is real, and is supported by tons of data. Planning for that change is common sense, which likely means we won't do it, and will then react in shock when disasters happen.

Extremists are just that extreme. Fine, but that doesn't negate climate change being real.
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Well extreme weather events are actually less than before. So, check your data.
 
Tazx said:
Well extreme weather events are actually less than before. So, check your data.
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Sorry, that's just incorrect. Search Google for "are extreme weather events increasing" for a counter.

I know the weather is changing because I'm living it. There is no question in my mind. I only need to look out my window on a December day that is 46F.
 
rwb said:
The fact that the article references climate change as a contributing factor of an event that happened a 1000 years ago is enough for me to wonder if climate change that long ago helped ruin a civilization, why are we still alive? I guess the larger question is if the citizens of the city were the contributing factor due to excessive CO2 build up - from fires? or what sources of energy ruined their lives.
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Exactly right. If events that happened 1000 years ago are lumped in with the modern nonsense notion of anthropomorphic caused climate change, then doesn't that show that we have nothing to do with climate change? Climate has always changed, and always will-- according to cycles, the Sun, Earth's magnetic core, and cosmic rays.
 
VaughanJB said:
Sorry, that's just incorrect. Search Google for "are extreme weather events increasing" for a counter.

I know the weather is changing because I'm living it. There is no question in my mind. I only need to look out my window on a December day that is 46F.
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If it makes the climate change deniers feel better and [somehow] intelligent, maybe just let them be...

There's a saying I once came across somewhere: “I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." We are approaching a quarter of the way into the 21st Century, and still people are mislead and clueless, it's no longer my problem.
 
Nathan said:
If it makes the climate change deniers feel better and [somehow] intelligent, maybe just let them be...

There's a saying I once came across somewhere: “I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." We are approaching a quarter of the way into the 21st Century, and still people are mislead and clueless, it's no longer my problem.
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We've been doing very little here in the U.S. to remedy climate change, and in a little over a month, we're going to begin doing even less.

Drill, baby, drill! Impose new taxes on clean energy technology companies! Suppress information that supports the science of climate change!

That's what we voted for, so that's what we're stuck with. :(
 
HermitHogan said:
We've been doing very little here in the U.S. to remedy climate change, and in a little over a month, we're going to begin doing even less.

Drill, baby, drill! Impose new taxes on clean energy technology companies! Suppress information that supports the science of climate change!

That's what we voted for, so that's what we're stuck with. :(
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Just for the record: count me out on the "we voted for" part
 
rwb said:
For the climate change nuts, here is a story about a Mexican city that was supposedly doomed by climate change according to the so called "experts" about a 1000 or more years ago. Guess what? the rest of the world survived!!

https://www.wired.com/story/lost-maya-city-valeriana-interview/


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You're definitely nuts, if you still can't see the changes climate change has made all over the world. Especially in the polar regions.
 

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