In each incident they claim they will know more after an autopsy.
No news yet on autopsies.
Macomb County man, 90, dies after COVID-19 vaccine — but doctors say shots are safe
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No news yet on autopsies.
Pam, I had my second shot exactly 2 weeks ago, and I am happy to say I'm just fine. (I had the Pfizer vaccine). Felt lousy for one day, then it passed. Easily worth it, IMO.
Becky, I don't remember ever "spewing information" that it was all right to toss the mask. In fact, I still wear the mask everywhere, as those are the rules anywhere I go. (Except when walking alone outdoors.) But I'm wearing it to obey the rules, and possibly to protect those around me from any lingering viruses I might be carrying. Most of my relatives, friends, and neighbors haven't gotten their shot yet. Some of them are moving heaven and earth to try to get an appointment. I cannot get the disease myself, which is a very nice thing to know.
That disease sounds like a very gruesome way to die, and all those who have recovered from it (or usually, partially recovered) say the same thing: Please, everybody, for God's sake, get the vaccine. You have no idea how awful this is to get, and how long its effects linger. It seems to have a way of poisoning your entire body. Hundreds of thousands of heartbroken families have had to agree that it's time to turn off the ventilators, and let the victims drown in their own fluids.
Whatever source of the vaccine you trust, for the sake of your own life, please get vaccinated as soon as you can.
Becky, I don't remember ever "spewing information" that it was all right to toss the mask. In fact, I still wear the mask everywhere, as those are the rules anywhere I go. (Except when walking alone outdoors.) But I'm wearing it to obey the rules, and possibly to protect those around me from any lingering viruses I might be carrying. Most of my relatives, friends, and neighbors haven't gotten their shot yet. Some of them are moving heaven and earth to try to get an appointment. I cannot get the disease myself, which is a very nice thing to know.
That disease sounds like a very gruesome way to die, and all those who have recovered from it (or usually, partially recovered) say the same thing: Please, everybody, for God's sake, get the vaccine. You have no idea how awful this is to get, and how long its effects linger. It seems to have a way of poisoning your entire body. Hundreds of thousands of heartbroken families have had to agree that it's time to turn off the ventilators, and let the victims drown in their own fluids.
Whatever source of the vaccine you trust, for the sake of your own life, please get vaccinated as soon as you can.
@Sunny We also received the Pfizer vaccine.
RadishRose
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Becky, I'm curious as to what led you to trust the J&J product specifically. Please share.
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Never mind @Becky1951, I found your post on this.
Some of these answers from someone called "Government" (Gary, you should know that that's suspicious in itself) may be temporarily true, such as "does not stop you passing it on." That is true for a few weeks, after getting the second shot. Then, it does. The mask can come off, except that most public buildings still require everybody to wear one.
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Fauci: 'Possible' Americans will be wearing masks in 2022 to protect against Covid-19
In that case, it's even more puzzling why you are continuing all this quibbling and bickering about the vaccine. We don't want to die or be severely damaged by a horrible disease. There is a vaccine (or several vaccines) that are extremely safe, and 95% effective. So what's the problem?
No problem no bickering.
Just commenting on some things such as "you have no idea", you make it sound as if we are clueless regarding this viruses effects.
And "the mask can come off". Which could be dangerous to anyone reading your comment if they believed what you said without checking first.
Becky, you really seem hung up on "the mask can come off," so I'll answer it one more time. The mask is no longer necessary after a period of time after the 2nd shot. If that weren't true, why would anyone bother getting the shot?
But the mask can't come off immediately, because of the rules and regulations. And because for a period of time, it will not be clear who is immune (because they've been vaccinated) and who is not. We can't all go around proclaiming, "I've had both shots!" and therefore not wearing masks. So for a while, everybody will have to continue wearing them.
Example: I've had both shots. It's been 2 weeks. I can probably safely assume that I am immune to the disease. But when I went down to the lobby of my building today, I had the mask on. It felt kind of silly in one way, but on the other hand, how would anyone know that I had gotten the vaccine a bit earlier than most of my neighbors? (Just blind luck in making the appointment.)
The more resistance people have to getting the vaccine, the longer this will probably continue. No one will know who is safe and who is not. For a while, even those of us who are safe from the disease will have to continue social distancing, masks, etc. (I guess the frequent hand washing is more private and is up to us.) The business lockdowns will ease up, the schools will reopen, people will start returning to theaters and sports events, and yes, even the masks will come off, once most of us are vaccinated. This will not go on forever.
But the mask can't come off immediately, because of the rules and regulations. And because for a period of time, it will not be clear who is immune (because they've been vaccinated) and who is not. We can't all go around proclaiming, "I've had both shots!" and therefore not wearing masks. So for a while, everybody will have to continue wearing them.
Example: I've had both shots. It's been 2 weeks. I can probably safely assume that I am immune to the disease. But when I went down to the lobby of my building today, I had the mask on. It felt kind of silly in one way, but on the other hand, how would anyone know that I had gotten the vaccine a bit earlier than most of my neighbors? (Just blind luck in making the appointment.)
The more resistance people have to getting the vaccine, the longer this will probably continue. No one will know who is safe and who is not. For a while, even those of us who are safe from the disease will have to continue social distancing, masks, etc. (I guess the frequent hand washing is more private and is up to us.) The business lockdowns will ease up, the schools will reopen, people will start returning to theaters and sports events, and yes, even the masks will come off, once most of us are vaccinated. This will not go on forever.
No your wrong. There is no time limit attached to when the masks can come off.
Not until they know for sure if a fully vaccinated person is unable to spread the virus. Until then, no you can't take the mask off after a period of time after second shot.
But this what you had said.
"That is true for a few weeks, after getting the second shot. Then, it does. The mask can come off,"
According to the CDC.
"We also don’t yet know whether getting a COVID-19 vaccine will prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to other people, even if you don’t get sick yourself. CDC will continue to update this page as we learn more."
Frequently Asked Questions about Vaccination
Updated Feb. 19, 2021
Do I need to wear a mask and avoid close contact with others if I have gotten 2 doses of the vaccine?
Yes. To protect yourself and others, follow these recommendations:
• Wear a mask over your nose and mouth
• Stay at least 6 feet away from others
• Avoid crowds
• Avoid poorly ventilated spaces
• Wash your hands often
It’s important for everyone to continue using all the tools available to help stop this pandemic as we learn more about how COVID-19 vaccines work in real-world conditions. Experts are also looking at how many people get vaccinated and how the virus is spreading in communities. We also don’t yet know whether getting a COVID-19 vaccine will prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to other people, even if you don’t get sick yourself. CDC will continue to update this page as we learn more.
Together, COVID-19 vaccination and following CDC’s recommendations for how to protect yourself and others will offer the best protection from getting and spreading COVID-19. Additional information can be found at key things to know about the COVID-19 vaccine. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html.
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I have heard of many adverse effects on elderly after they receive a shot.
A friend of mine said his uncle had a stroke the next day after the shot and two days after that died from a heart attack.
Two blood clot issues in three days. They don't make the news. The shot is for the greater good. These vaccines were the result of super human effort to be developed. Normally a vaccine would go through years of trials. Once the Pharma companies were assured that no law suites or liability cases would be prosecuted against them they released the vaccine in record time on the request of the governments. Didn't you see that J&J was waiting for the "emergency release" approval for the vaccine before they released it? That approval waives liability among other things.
What you are seeing is live human trials of the vaccine on the population going on right now.
A friend of mine said his uncle had a stroke the next day after the shot and two days after that died from a heart attack.
Two blood clot issues in three days. They don't make the news. The shot is for the greater good. These vaccines were the result of super human effort to be developed. Normally a vaccine would go through years of trials. Once the Pharma companies were assured that no law suites or liability cases would be prosecuted against them they released the vaccine in record time on the request of the governments. Didn't you see that J&J was waiting for the "emergency release" approval for the vaccine before they released it? That approval waives liability among other things.
What you are seeing is live human trials of the vaccine on the population going on right now.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend's uncle, JB. All we can do is compare the number of people who have died shortly after getting the shot (maybe due to the shot, maybe due to something else), with the number of elderly people - in the thousands - who are receiving the shot every day with no adverse effects other than sometimes mild reactions the next day. And nearly everyone in this country who is getting the vaccine at this point is elderly. From what I've read about it, the vaccine has an incredible safety record. But of course, no safety record of any drug, surgical procedure, vaccine, or whatever is going to be 100%.
I do know that Covid itself (the disease, not the vaccine) can cause fatal blood clots. I think blood thinners are used as a medication in Covid patients.
I do know that Covid itself (the disease, not the vaccine) can cause fatal blood clots. I think blood thinners are used as a medication in Covid patients.
We'll never know because the govt/powers that be won't tell us. Even you admit that people have died from taking an aspirin, yet to my knowledge there has been absolutely no admission that the vaccine has caused a death. I find that curious.
Remember the Dr. who died from the clotting issue right after getting the vaccine? I was reading an article about him and two experts said it likely was the vaccine that did it, and that it's a known (although rare) side effect. What was the CDC's conclusion? No correlation. Really? Also since at least 3 more people have had the same problem. Coincidence?
I will get the vaccine eventually when I can, but is it so wrong to want truthful information from the CDC and WHO? Shouldn't we be able to make our own informed decisions, or is it a case of "You can't handle the truth!" and they feel the need to do our thinking for us?
Everybody likely has some underlying condition but if it's treated and handled is it really a problem? So if a person has high blood pressure but is taking medication that has their BP at 120/65 are they really at risk? What about taking a statin that has your cholesterol way below risk levels. Yet I saw both of those used to explain away a recent death,(may have been the Detroit lady).
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Gaer
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I can see where someone with certain allergies can be extremely ill or die from this. My first shot was today.
I'm very healthy but an hour after the injection, I was overcome with adverse reactions.
I can see how a 90 year old could easily pass away from this injection.
I'm very healthy but an hour after the injection, I was overcome with adverse reactions.
I can see how a 90 year old could easily pass away from this injection.
Nosy Bee-54
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My 88 year old Mom got the first jab yesterday. Talked to her today and except for a slight fever, she is doing great. I think all the doom & gloom covid-19 posts are intended to validate one's anti position and/or to discourage others from getting the vaccine. The naysayers are the type like the social media video showing a woman sitting on the floor in Costco throwing a temper tantrum because management told her to put her mask back on.
You want a shot? Go ahead. Just respect those that don't.
Gaer
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Sorry but I felt great after the vaccine for an hour and thought I'd do some shopping while i was in town. I broke into a hot sweat (Like you get before a heart attack) and was hanging on to my cart and I started to black out. I sat on the floor. people were laughing but i had no choice. Sit down or fall down. Had to drive a half hour home and didn't think I would make it!
I had asked the lady giving the injection what adverse reactions could I expect and she said,
"It doesn't matter. Whatever side effects you experience are better than getting covid."
Made sense! But I had a pretty bad few days. I didn't expect a bad reaction at all because I'm in great health!
You are mistaken. I'm not going to get the vaccine. Yesterday, I drove two of my elderly friends to get their vaccine.
I don't need to "validate my position." It's a personal choice. I encourage anyone who wants the vaccine to get it - much like flu shots which I don't get either.
Could you be putting people into categories to validate your pro position & encourage others to get the vaccine?
Some people find it difficult to respect those that don't because they rely on others to do as they do to bolster their confidence in their decision.
We - hub and I have been fully vaccinated. I've seen research from Moderna (the jabs we got) indicating tests done after full immunization of the issue of asymptomatic transfer: Though the Moderna trial did not look specifically at whether the vaccine can prevent transmission, participants were checked for Covid-19 infection before they received their first and second doses – meaning it was possible to compare the rates of infection in these groups. In all, 14 people tested positive after having one shot, verses 38 who had received a placebo.
Everyone I know in the appropriate vaccine line has been fully vaccinated or is trying to get fully vaccinated, except one person who has a host of allergic reactions.
She's still trying to decide if she will or not.
Dying while trying to desperately suck in your last breath for days is a nasty way to go. My father had emphysema, so it wasn't a question as to what we'd do. That visual was enough.
This is a very interesting website on the state of covid in the world and scientific data on the mutations for anyone that's interested:
https://outbreak.info
Everyone I know in the appropriate vaccine line has been fully vaccinated or is trying to get fully vaccinated, except one person who has a host of allergic reactions.
She's still trying to decide if she will or not.
Dying while trying to desperately suck in your last breath for days is a nasty way to go. My father had emphysema, so it wasn't a question as to what we'd do. That visual was enough.
This is a very interesting website on the state of covid in the world and scientific data on the mutations for anyone that's interested:
https://outbreak.info
CarolfromTX
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He was 90. Crikey, at that age anything could end you. The flu, a stroke, pneumonia. Average life expectancy for a male in this country is something like 76. That’s way more scary to me than taking a vaccine. But the media loves to keep us fearful. I’ve had shot number one with a slightly sore arm being the only side effect.
Too funny...4 of us, my hub and I and our neighbors got our second shot last Fri. We are all used to doing outside projects as we have "land" and our neighbor has horses. We got up the next day with the normal "sore arm" and started to work. All at once all 4 of us just kind of "wound down". We all decided we'd wait till next week to do any hard work...lol. Fatigue sure had set in...lol.
The second shot can be the one that packs more of a punch. When we got our plague shots for overseas travel, it was similar.
The second shot can be the one that packs more of a punch. When we got our plague shots for overseas travel, it was similar.
StarSong
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Good to know, thanks.