Make up your mind, Texas.....

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Make up your mind, Texas!!! You don't want the U.S. military in your state 'cause you think the gubmint wants to take your land and lock you up in chains. Your governor sends the Texas National Guard to "guard" against the U.S. Special Operations teams. Now... you're begging for government assistance.

Texas has said for the past few years they want to secede. Maybe we shoulda let them.

Ted Cruz railed against giving Federal assistance to the victims of Sandy when it hit the Northeast. "We shouldn't be spending money we don't have!" Now, Cruz is on stage telling his fellow Texans that Federal assistance is on the way.

It's sad to see those elected to run the government be obstructionists and keep the government from working the way it should... until they need the government.
 

"Texas has said for the past few years they want to secede. Maybe we shoulda let them."

Am I right in thinking that Texas is the only state that still has a right to secede, or is my American history at fault? Perhaps that bit has been repealed.
 

Apparently the right to secede exists only in the mind, and not within the law.

Unfortunately for these, ahem, regional patriots, what’s going on in Scotland has little to do with our federal government. In fact, the idea that states can secede from the U.S. is nothing more than a pervasive myth.

Simply put, the ruling in the 1867 Supreme Court case Texas v. White makes any state effort to legally secede from the U.S. absolutely pointless. Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase’s majority opinion reads, “The union between Texas and the other states was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the states.” Pretty concrete stuff.

The joint resolution for the annexation of Texas by the United States also has no mention of Texas’ right to break from the union. Alas, for Lone Star nation fantasists and all other aspiring secessionists, the furthest Texas could go would be to break itself into five states—basically what all those rich guys keep trying to do with California, to no avail.

Of course, none of that has stopped the dreamers from dreaming. Mainly concentrated in Southern states, pro-secessionists wax rhapsodic about of a life free of that pesky federal government. The most recent, notable flare-up in this ludicrous talk occurred back in 2012 when Texas Governor Rick Perry made comments that were construed as advocating for Texas’ secession in an interview.

“We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that? But Texas is a very unique place, and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot,” he said.
In spite of the fact that the former presidential candidate stressed that he was not in favor of Texas’ secession after the interview, it incited a storm of media attention, and a petition for Texas’ withdrawal from the union cropped up in the wake of his comments that garnered more than 125,000 signatures. That’s a lot of wasted ink and paper.

And Texans aren’t alone. Citizens from Alabama, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and Louisiana are among the states that have filed similar petitions to withdraw from the union. The states with the highest number of “secession” searches (in descending order) are South Carolina, Alabama, West Virginia, Arkansas, Texas, North Carolina and Mississippi, according to Google Trends data.

But the cold, hard facts are these: Any state attempting to leave the union wouldn’t be seceding, it would be rebelling. We all know how well that went last time.
So while the Scots might be able to peacefully, legally free themselves of Queen Elizabeth and their neighbors to the south with a measure of grace, it’s going to take more than a few votes and some legal maneuvering to split up America’s union.

http://www.vocativ.com/usa/us-politics/texas-secession/
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Which European country was it that had civil wars and break up that finally saw Kosovo leave or secede? I think it was Yugoslavia and the region that I'm thinking of was known as Kosovo. Apparently Bill Clinton declared that the conflict over Kosovo was a threat to the security of the US and thereafter NATO got involved and aided Kosovo in their efforts to secede by supplying 'air support' to the conflict.

My question is, why is it okay for Kosovo to secede but not Texas? Or in the case of Canada, if Quebec wanted to secede and their population all voted for it, why not Quebec? Isn't that what democracy is all about? Groups of people with enough numbers behind them, deciding how they want to run their 'lives'. Of course, that would mean that the seceding region should also shoulder their share of debt to that point and also stand on their own from that point forward. One link I glanced at re: Kosovo indicated that it hasn't worked out as well as the folks from Kosovo might have liked and there was a significant emigration to the rest of Europe in an effort to find jobs and a better life and that's something that the seceders should always consider.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/breakup-yugoslavia (shows map of the old Yugloslavia and identifies where Kosovo is)

Good cartoon by the way QS. Very appropriate from the sounds of it.
 
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Yeah let the Texans drown, they are Americans that don't think like we do!! If enough women and children die then maybe the gene pool will be cleansed..
 
Ironically they will get their aid and bitch about how much or how fast they got it. Ted Cruz or Rick Perry will later figure out a way to bitch...bet on it.
 
AZ Jim said:
Ironically they will get their aid and bitch about how much or how fast they got it. Ted Cruz or Rick Perry will later figure out a way to bitch...bet on it.
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Actually, Ted Cruz has bitched about the East Coast hurricane relief. He's all for relief for Texas now, of course. But then, we all know he is at best a hypocrite and at worst a total ding-a-ling.

The uproar over the military exercises began, not as some sort of government conspiracy reaction, but as a reaction of the people in Bastrop, Texas. They packed the room to hear the usual platitudes. They were there, the vast majority of them, because they were not yet two years out from a devastating fire that killed many, and destroyed 1700 [ yes, you read that right ] homes. The area is loblolly pine forested area along the Colorado River. The forest was burned to a crisp, about half of it. The people who had been spared in the fire or the people who had rebuilt [ including my daughter and son-in-law ] were still traumatized from the fire when they were told there would be "exercises" by the Special Forces sections of all military branches and the "exercises" would be held on "private land", tho' no one would say whose "private land" or where that might be.

The guv [ no, I am not a fan of his ] said the Texas National Guard would see to it that things are on the up-and-up ... not because he bought into any conspiracy theory, but to assuage the concerns of the still traumatized residents of Bastrop and Bastrop County, Texas.
 
And that's the problem, Jackie. Except for a very very few conspiracy nutzoids at the meeting in Bastrop, that is what the media ran with. And it exploded into even more noxious reporting.

As I said in my previous post, that was not the major concern of the people of Bastrop, traumatized heavily only recently, and not yet fully recovered. What damage was the military intending to foist upon them, upon their beloved area, just to have "military exercises" in that one particular area of Texas? Why not somewhere else in Texas, somewhere unscathed by tragedy? Texas is a huge State, after all ... why an area burned to a crisp and not at all recovered?

And here we are ... the notion persists and undoubtedly the media and the nutzoids are all too willing to continue.

BTW, my family and I drove around Bastrop State Park recently. Acres and acres and acres of blackened skeletons of trees. Some green springing up in places, even some teeny tiny seedling pines. It will take years and years and years to recover ... the park, and the people who lost everything, the ones who "girded their loins" and cleaned up, rebuilt, etc.
 
Ken N Tx said:
Yeah let the Texans drown, they are Americans that don't think like we do!! If enough women and children die then maybe the gene pool will be cleansed..
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I think if Texans took a little more time to think before they voted, it would not only be good for Texas and Texans but all of America as well. As to the desire to see them in this kind of trouble most Americans want the best for them in spite of their politics.
 
AZ Jim said:
I think if Texans took a little more time to think before they voted, it would not only be good for Texas and Texans but all of America as well. As to the desire to see them in this kind of trouble most Americans want the best for them in spite of their politics.
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No one seriously wants to see innocent folks suffer. However, those politicians came to power in Texas because the majority of the people voted for them... There's an old saying in politics.. "People deserve to get what they voted for.... AND HARD" I agree... maybe Texans should think a little more before voting these nut jobs in.
 
QuickSilver said:
No one seriously wants to see innocent folks suffer. However, those politicians came to power in Texas because the majority of the people voted for them... There's an old saying in politics.. "People deserve to get what they voted for.... AND HARD" I agree... maybe Texans should think a little more before voting these nut jobs in.
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Perhaps some people need remember that it was a Texan, Lyndon B. Johnson, who signed into law those laws that turned "the South" against Democrats.

The "majority", yes, we are so severely gerrymandered that that is what happens. But do NOT tell me that your State, other States, are not just as heavily gerrymandered.

So the "people deserve to get what they voted for" and that is, apparently devastating fire and devastating floods. You might consider global warming a bit in this. Not just the Texans who "deserve" what has happened. And it is NOT just Texas politicians who pooh-pooh this -- check YOUR politicians. We "deserve"? -- that is as callous a remark as any I've heard.

I am appalled at the readiness of people in here to "blame the victim" [ learned about that in psychology/sociology I -- didn't you? ] as opposed to acknowledging the power of money and the corrupted press.

You might need to be reminded here ... I am not a native Texan. I do not particularly care for most parts of Texas -- other than the only sane part which is Austin and the Hill Country. But I do not care to have Texas as a whole, and Texans as a group, slandered.

In my lifetime I have, and still do, agitate for the rights of the disabled. I know what blinders and bigotry can do to people.
 
Everyone knows it was Johnson who lost the Dixiecrats for generations, and turned them into Republicans by signing civil rights legislation into law.. So what does that say about the Dixiecrats? AND Republicans for that matter.

As for aide to Texas... OF course the government will send it.... and of course Obama will do the right thing to help people. What does that say about Obama?

I am certainly NOT slandering Texans... Just reminding them who and WHAT they voted into power.. which they did... and there can be no denying that... can there.. Perhaps Texans need to remember that when they next go to the polls.
 
No one wishes ill upon the Texans. Even with all their blowing about seceding from America, even with the paranoia about our military exercises, in spite of the anti-American talk from your Canadian Cruz. It's ok that you elected Rick Perry who couldn't be a water-boy for the President, yet runs his mouth like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. We forgive you for George Bush, after all though he talks with a Texas drawl he, like you is a transplant. I've read some of your posts and you sound like a reasonable man so please try to understand our disdain for the Texas voting record.


[h=1]Obama Rescues Arrogant And Ungrateful Texas Republicans With Federal Disaster Declaration[/h]politicususa.com/2015/05/30/obama-rescues-arrogant-ungrateful-texas-republicans-federal-disaster-declaration.html
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President Obama has rescued arrogant and ungrateful Texas Republicans by signing a federal disaster declaration for those areas impacted by the state’s deadly floods.
The White House announced that President Obama signed the disaster declaration for the areas of Texas hit by flooding:
The President today declared a major disaster exists in the State of Texas and ordered federal aid to supplement state, tribal, and local recovery efforts in the area affected by severe storms, tornadoes, straight-line winds, and flooding beginning on May 4, 2015, and continuing.
The President’s action makes federal funding available to affected individuals in the counties of Harris, Hays, and Van Zandt.
Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster.
Federal funding also is available to state, tribal, and eligible local governments and certain private nonprofit organizations on a cost-sharing basis for emergency work and the repair or replacement of facilities damaged by the severe storms, tornadoes, straight-line winds, and flooding in the counties of Cooke, Gaines, Grimes, Harris, Hays, Navarro, and Van Zandt.
Federal funding is also available on a cost-sharing basis for hazard mitigation measures statewide.
W. Craig Fugate, Administrator, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), Department of Homeland Security, named Kevin L. Hannes as the Federal Coordinating Officer for federal recovery operations in the affected area.
FEMA said that damage surveys are continuing in other areas, and additional counties may be designated for assistance after the assessments are fully completed.

These are the same Texas Republicans who have been arrogantly dabbling in succession talk for years, and most recently have been gripped by a paranoid conspiracy theory that President Obama is sending the military to take over the state.

Gov. Greg Abbott has not thanked the President for his quick action to help Texas. Instead the statement of gratitude was spoken by“> Texas Division of Emergency Management Chief Nim Kidd, “I thank the President and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for their prompt response to Texas’ urgent need for a federal disaster declaration. We have seen so many lives lost, homes damaged or destroyed, and communities threatened by this devastating storm system. Texas is grateful for the swift response by FEMA and I look forward to working with my FEMA partners to ensure critical assistance is delivered to Texans in need.”
Sen. Ted Cruz, who demanded the federal aid, has also not thanked President Obama.
The behavior of Cruz and Abbott is different from former Gov. Rick Perry who publicly thanked President Obama after a fertilizer plant explosion in West, TX in 2013, “President Obama called from Air Force One as he was en route to Boston. We greatly appreciate his call, and his gracious offer of support, of course, and the quick turnaround of the emergency declaration that will be forthcoming, and his offer of prayers.”
Arrogant Republicans like Greg Abbott and Ted Cruz won’t thank the President for literally rescuing their state with prompt action in a time of disaster. Cruz and Abbott are ignoring basic civility because they think it is good politics to ignore Obama while begging for a federal handout.
If Texas were capable of going it alone, they could handle their own natural disaster, but they can’t. What’s even worse is that many Texas Republicans lack the basic decency to thank the President for quicking being there for them in their time o
 

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