Many healthcare workers here aren't vaccinated....

I will have my second shot in 2 weeks and I am glad to get it. I understand that if you get the virus the vaccine makes it easier to get through just like the flue shot does. I see medical folks that do what they tell patients not to do all the time. You have to take care of yourself. Everybody in my family now has had their shots with me getting the second one soon. We are grateful for the vaccine but will wear our masks when out.
 

John cycling said:
This <-- is what you're reading in those medical journals.
People need to start thinking with their brains and logic, instead of believing all the BS that they're told.
Anyone who thinks injecting poisons in themselves is going to make them healthier, is not thinking intelligently nor logically.
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Glad that you're a "healthy person". We need more of them today, but your post really throws me under the bus. "Injecting poison"? I can't believe how much poison I must have absorbed, over the years. My parents obviously in a child raising coma, trotted me to the doc for all of the vaccinations that were required to ward off various "things" that they thought would damage me or make me ineligible to attend school. This was in the 30's.

Then the military got ahold of me a few years later and bombarded me with another set of "poisons". Other poisons have been absorbed over the years. Tetanus, flu, pneumonia, come to mind.

I was unprepared for any of these assaults on my body. Political advisors, selected newscasters, and writers, masquerading as medical experts weren't around to "protect" me from the evils of the medical profession. Neither political party interfered on my behalf.

Amazingly, even after this recent dreaded poison, I'm still alive and kicking at 87. Only time will tell if I'll just wear out and die (which could be any time now) but I'll never know if it's the latest "poison" I absorbed last January or not. Only those with certain political leanings will know for sure - -not the docs or medical pro's.
 

it's not any different than if you go to eat at a restaurant and the workers and other guests aren't vaccinated. you guys kill me. none of you want to get vaccinated but you're the first ones to holler if you don't think you're being protected enough because the healthcare workers aren't vaccinated. we've been putting our lives on the line for over a year and nobody worried about us then.
 
DaveA said:
Glad that you're a "healthy person". We need more of them today, but your post really throws me under the bus. "Injecting poison"? I can't believe how much poison I must have absorbed, over the years. My parents obviously in a child raising coma, trotted me to the doc for all of the vaccinations that were required to ward off various "things" that they thought would damage me or make me ineligible to attend school. This was in the 30's.

Then the military got ahold of me a few years later and bombarded me with another set of "poisons". Other poisons have been absorbed over the years. Tetanus, flu, pneumonia, come to mind.

I was unprepared for any of these assaults on my body. Political advisors, selected newscasters, and writers, masquerading as medical experts weren't around to "protect" me from the evils of the medical profession. Neither political party interfered on my behalf.

Amazingly, even after this recent dreaded poison, I'm still alive and kicking at 87. Only time will tell if I'll just wear out and die (which could be any time now) but I'll never know if it's the latest "poison" I absorbed last January or not. Only those with certain political leanings will know for sure - -not the docs or medical pro's.
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I'm not a well person, Dave; immunosuppressants keep me alive.

I was replying to someone about something. I don't believe these are poisonous -- depending upon what your definition of poison is:

Copied directly:

1. : a substance that through its chemical action usually kills, injures, or impairs an organism

b(1) : something destructive or harmful

(2) : an object of aversion or abhorrence

2 : a substance that inhibits the activity of another substance or the course of a reaction or process a catalyst poison

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poison
 
MarciKS said:
it's not any different than if you go to eat at a restaurant and the workers and other guests aren't vaccinated. you guys kill me. none of you want to get vaccinated but you're the first ones to holler if you don't think you're being protected enough because the healthcare workers aren't vaccinated. we've been putting our lives on the line for over a year and nobody worried about us then.
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Thank you for doing this, MarciKs. I was hospitalized twice last year (not for COVID) and was placed into "check for virus" areas of the emergency rooms and hospitals proper. I know what the hospital workers were dealing with. I've been to medical doctors and have seen all of the people who work in these places were still dealing with on a daily basis. I was in these situations for only short periods of time; you were putting your life on the line day after day, hour after hour. Again, I thank you!
 
Probably depends on state guidelines, but here, if a healthcare provider foregoes the vaccine, they're required to wear a mask at all times at work.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
The CDC has said that vaccinated people have almost no chance of getting the virus; therefore, they can't transmit it.
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That's outdated information. Vaccinated people are increasingly contracting Covid, but usually have milder cases. They're still contagious even with mild cases. Since I'm not vaccinated for medical reasons, I wear a mask to protect myself from vaccinated as well as unvaccinated people.
 
Colleen said:
My husband is having surgery on Monday, 6/21, so we've had his Pre-op done last week and today he has to have his bloodwork done for type & cross match, plus he has to have his Covid testing done.

We've both been fully vaccinated since February (Moderna) and I asked the surgical coordinator if I needed to get a Covid test to go with him in the hospital. She said it wasn't necessary. I asked if I should bring our vaccine certificate with me when he registers for surgery on Monday and she said they're not checking that. I asked her if she was vaccinated and she said no...not many healthcare workers here "believe" in the vaccine because it's too "new".

Unreal. That makes no sense to me. We're asked to be vaccinated and they're even doing a Covid test on him (not even on me) but they're not doing much to protect us as patients. What's wrong with this "logic"???

My husband's own son, who is 51, was here last weekend to help do a couple things around the house I couldn't do (and my husband can't do at this point) told me he wouldn't be able to go to the hospital with me on Monday for his dad's surgery because he'd probably have to have a Covid test and he wouldn't get it because he doesn't believe in it. That speaks volumes to me about how selfish and stupid he is. He even tested positive in November and said it was nothing more than the flu. He didn't stay home and continued to work and was never re-tested.

I guess I'm getting too old to understand what's happening to people's attitudes.
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I don't know what a "surgical coordinator" is, but this one doesn't sound too bright. I guess anyone can be called a "medical professional." But if you look at my contribution to this discussion earlier today, you will see that over 96% of doctors nationwide have been vaccinated. Even Trump was vaccinated, after he got the virus!

Just a look at those charts they keep printing in the newspapers is enough to tell us what the truth is. As the vaccination line goes up, the cases (and particularly the Covid deaths) go down. It couldn't be a more clear connection. And yet, some people continue to stubbornly cling to the lies they believed and continue to believe... why? Because they might have to admit they were wrong?

I hope all goes well with your husband's surgery.
 
AnnieA said:
That's outdated information. Vaccinated people are increasingly contracting Covid, but usually have milder cases. They're still contagious even with mild cases. Since I'm not vaccinated for medical reasons, I wear a mask to protect myself from vaccinated as well as unvaccinated people.
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The CDC guidelines as of two days ago (6/17) are still rather complicated. However, they currently say:

"If you’ve been around someone who has COVID-19, you do not need to stay away from others or get tested unless you have symptoms.
  • "However, if you live or work in a correctional or detention facility or a homeless shelter and are around someone who has COVID-19, you should still get tested, even if you don’t have symptoms."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

While not specifically stated, my interpretation is that if a fully vaccinated person who's come into contact with the virus doesn't have to stay away from others, then there's a very low chance that he can spread it to these others. What we do know is that vaccination isn't 100%. If it's 92% effective, that means that it's expected that 8% of vaccinated people will still get the virus. As I said, there's a very low probability; but it's not 100%. And, yes, I still wear a mask.
 
John cycling said:
This <-- is what you're reading in those medical journals.
People need to start thinking with their brains and logic, instead of believing all the BS that they're told.
Anyone who thinks injecting poisons in themselves is going to make them healthier, is not thinking intelligently nor logically.
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John, I'm curious. What are your thoughts on other vaccines such as polio, small pox, measles, diphtheria, whopping cough, etc.?
 
Other than standard precautions and sanitary conditions I wouldn't worry about what the providers MIGHT have or be laying around a hospital. My guess if every known and new disease was tested for in a hospital or elsewhere we probably be stunned as to what is there.
 
John cycling said:
That's totally hilarious. 🤣
It's the vaccinated people who are worried, not the healthy people like me who haven't been poisoned! 🤣
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How'd it go when in the military and you started giving them the "poison speech" while you were lining up for your shots? Did they excuse you?

I never attempted to give them a line of BS about the shots and somehow I have a feeling that they wouldn't have been ready to listen. Just imagine how many of us who were military eligible and not dodging the service, were "poisoned" involuntarily.
 
DaveA said:
How'd it go when in the military and you started giving them the "poison speech" while you were lining up for your shots? Did they excuse you?

I never attempted to give them a line of BS about the shots and somehow I have a feeling that they wouldn't have been ready to listen. Just imagine how many of us who were military eligible and not dodging the service, were "poisoned" involuntarily.
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All those vaccines that were given to those in the military were tested thoroughly before being given to the population.
 
DaveA said:
I never attempted to give them a line of BS about the shots and somehow I have a feeling that they wouldn't have been ready to listen. Just imagine how many of us who were military eligible and not dodging the service, were "poisoned" involuntarily.
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If you believe they're all poison, Dave, why do you say it would have been a line of BS if you'd told them that? It seems to me you'd have had trouble, but why not say you didn't want to tell them the truth or some such?
 
MarciKS said:
it's not any different than if you go to eat at a restaurant and the workers and other guests aren't vaccinated. you guys kill me. none of you want to get vaccinated but you're the first ones to holler if you don't think you're being protected enough because the healthcare workers aren't vaccinated. we've been putting our lives on the line for over a year and nobody worried about us then.
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Thats why I will not eat out anymore. I order delivery if I want something special. I am taking a chance that the people preparing it are not vaccinated. I do the best that I can being sure my family and I are vaccinated.
 
terry123 said:
Thats why I will not eat out anymore. I order delivery if I want something special. I am taking a chance that the people preparing it are not vaccinated. I do the best that I can being sure my family and I are vaccinated.
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Well and you also have to take into account that some people just can't get the vaccine. And that's everywhere. Not just hospitals and clinics. We can't spend all of our time finger pointing and freaking out because someone isn't vaccinated. This is our new normal whether folks like it or not. If the OP is that worried about it, why stop with hospitals? She won't be able to go anywhere and not worry about being protected by staff and visitors/customers no matter where she goes.
 
Sunny said:
I don't know what a "surgical coordinator" is, but this one doesn't sound too bright. I guess anyone can be called a "medical professional." But if you look at my contribution to this discussion earlier today, you will see that over 96% of doctors nationwide have been vaccinated. Even Trump was vaccinated, after he got the virus!

Just a look at those charts they keep printing in the newspapers is enough to tell us what the truth is. As the vaccination line goes up, the cases (and particularly the Covid deaths) go down. It couldn't be a more clear connection. And yet, some people continue to stubbornly cling to the lies they believed and continue to believe... why? Because they might have to admit they were wrong?

I hope all goes well with your husband's surgery.
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Clerical position, basically a scheduler.
 
terry123 said:
Thats why I will not eat out anymore. I order delivery if I want something special. I am taking a chance that the people preparing it are not vaccinated. I do the best that I can being sure my family and I are vaccinated.
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I see what you are saying but I thought they said surface transmission was not as prevelent as
airborne droplets. True a cook or handler could sneeze without a mask but the virus would be the last thing I'd be worried. Ecoli and bunch of other bacteria, germs etc that could cause all sorts of stomach issues alone.

Also in "normal" times with 50-70% getting a flu vax that's only 50% effective you would be in no more danger from the virus than other stuff.

And the over use of scented sanitizers and/or colonges give me more issues from food served or takeout than germs.
 
terry123 said:
Thats why I will not eat out anymore. I order delivery if I want something special. I am taking a chance that the people preparing it are not vaccinated. I do the best that I can being sure my family and I are vaccinated.
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I know what you mean. I haven't eaten restaurant food since the first week of March 2020. Got to be careful. :cool:.
 
Last week it was made illegal for anyone working in a care home here in the UK as a health worker or carer, to not have the Vaccination...

It's now been made law that they must have both doses of the vaccine ...

  • Decision follows an extensive public consultation with thousands of staff, providers, residents and families
  • Further consultation will be launched on whether to extend to other health and social care settings

Care home residents will be better protected from death and serious illness, following confirmation people working in care homes will need to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19.


The new legislation means from October – subject to Parliamentary approval and a subsequent 16-week grace period – anyone working in a CQC-registered care home in England for residents requiring nursing or personal care must have 2 doses of a COVID-19 vaccine unless they have a medical exemption.


It will apply to all workers employed directly by the care home or care home provider (on a full-time or part-time basis), those employed by an agency and deployed by the care home, and volunteers deployed in the care home.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...vaccinated-under-new-law-to-protect-residents

I was listening to a debate on the car radio on the day this was announced... and a caller anounced that she was a 'carer' in a care home for the elderly.. and she was Not going to have the Vaccination regardless of if she lost her job... yet another caller called her selfish ... and the first caller said..''Well if you think I'm selfish now , watch me go to work in Tesco (large supermarket chain) where I can breathe my germs all over your kids'' :oops:
 
My opinion only, I think whether a person takes the vaccine or not is their and only their choice and decision. With so much being said for and against the Virus vaccine, it's come down to what you believe is best for you.

But, the bigger issue that I have with the vaccine is that so many of the colleges and universities are 'forcing' the young adults to be vaccinated before returning to the classroom. This isn't right. I understand the need for everyone to be comfortable with each other they come in contact with, but each person should be allowed to make their own choice. It does worry me that too many of the young men (mostly) are being affected by the vaccine's side-effects, especially of the heart (Myocarditis).
 
911 said:
My opinion only, I think whether a person takes the vaccine or not is their and only their choice and decision. With so much being said for and against the Virus vaccine, it's come down to what you believe is best for you.

But, the bigger issue that I have with the vaccine is that so many of the colleges and universities are 'forcing' the young adults to be vaccinated before returning to the classroom. This isn't right. I understand the need for everyone to be comfortable with each other they come in contact with, but each person should be allowed to make their own choice. It does worry me that too many of the young men (mostly) are being affected by the vaccine's side-effects, especially of the heart (Myocarditis).
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They are exploiting the young people in particular by banking on their dreams & desires. They already do it with tuition so using the vaccine as another administrative box to check doesn't surprise me. And many students/parents will do what ever without thinking about the potential consequences.

And it's not just young people having heart issues. Know someone 80 plus was hospitalized for a week with in a month of recieving a second shot of a vax with heart trouble. They really sounded bad. Took the better part of a month and lots of drugs they never had to take before to sound normal.

There might not be vaccine passports but there is/will be pressure, shaming, limitations. Also wether it's the vax or other things most people are followers, want to belong to a specific group which they are banking on. And people who took the vax or did something frequently seek validation of the decision by seeing other people made the same decision(a source of peer pressure).
 

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