Many healthcare workers here aren't vaccinated....

[win231]

They are exploiting the young people in particular by banking on their dreams & desires. They already do it with tuition so using the vaccine as another administrative box to check doesn't surprise me. And many students/parents will do what ever without thinking about the potential consequences.

And it's not just young people having heart issues. Know someone 80 plus was hospitalized for a week with in a month of recieving a second shot of a vax with heart trouble. They really sounded bad. Took the better part of a month and lots of drugs they never had to take before to sound normal.

There might not be vaccine passports but there is/will be pressure, shaming, limitations. Also wether it's the vax or other things most people are followers, want to belong to a specific group which they are banking on. And people who took the vax or did something frequently seek validation of the decision by seeing other people made the same decision(a source of peer pressure).

Exactly. One of the two main reasons vaccinated people try to convince others to do as they do - they gain confidence from others who make the same choice they do. And their confidence is shaken by those who choose not to get vaccinated - which indicates their confidence was already shaky to begin with.

 

[Dancing_Queen]

I was listening to a debate on the car radio on the day this was announced... and a caller anounced that she was a 'carer' in a care home for the elderly.. and she was Not going to have the Vaccination regardless of if she lost her job... yet another caller called her selfish ... and the first caller said..''Well if you think I'm selfish now , watch me go to work in Tesco (large supermarket chain) where I can breathe my germs all over your kids''

Sad.

 

[MarciKS]

So let me get this straight....

It's ok to force healthcare workers to get vaccinated but not college kids? Is that what I'm reading here? Seems a little one sided but hey...I should be used to that.

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

If there are two places where all workers should be vaccinated, that would be hospitals/clinics and nursing homes. About 5 days ago, a federal judge ruled against a 100+ healthcare workers at a Houston hospital.

"He [Judge] added that the workers were free to accept or reject a vaccine and that they would "simply need to work elsewhere" if they chose the latter.

"If a worker refuses an assignment, changed office, earlier start time, or other directive, he may be properly fired. Every employment includes limits on the worker's behavior in exchange for his remuneration," Hughes wrote. "That is all part of the bargain."

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-judge-just-ruled-against-031929578.html

Well, those employees refused to get the vaccine after losing the lawsuit. So today, they were fired or resigned. And rightly so in an at will employment state.

"A spokesperson for Houston Methodist Hospital system said 153 employees either resigned in the two-week suspension period or were terminated on Tuesday."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireS...orkers-fired-resign-covid-19-vaccine-78430061

The job market is wide open. They can seek alternative employment where the unvaccinated are welcome.

 

[MarciKS]

Well, those employees refused to get the vaccine after losing the lawsuit. So today, they were fired or resigned. And rightly so in an at will employment state.

"A spokesperson for Houston Methodist Hospital system said 153 employees either resigned in the two-week suspension period or were terminated on Tuesday."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireS...orkers-fired-resign-covid-19-vaccine-78430061

The job market is wide open. They can seek alternative employment where the unvaccinated are welcome.

What happens when all the places require it? If nobody wants to get it...who the hell is gonna work?

 

[Dancing_Queen]

What happens when all the places require it? If nobody wants to get it...who the hell is gonna work?

First, it isn't "nobody" who wants to get the vaccine. One hundred and fifty-three people out of an entire hospital system is a drop in the bucket. Second, If all places were to require it, there would be no places for these people to work. If they were to want to work, they'd either have to get the vaccine or move to states like Florida that passed a law making it illegal to require vaccines even in private workplaces. (This law, of course, is being litigated.)

 

[DaveA]

If you believe they're all poison, Dave, why do you say it would have been a line of BS if you'd told them that? It seems to me you'd have had trouble, but why not say you didn't want to tell them the truth or some such?

My evidently confusing post was- -Back then, NO ONE ever stepped out of the line and attempted to sell the BS about the shots being unproven or "poison" as some people claim today. I'm far from a believer in the "poison" theory.

I'm one of the "followers" that still believe that my doctors and health pros, know more about medical treatments than I do. At my age I take a handful of pills everyday. When the doc thinks that, after testing, my meds should be adjusted, I don't engage him in a discussion regarding Big Pharma or if he's "on the take' from some particular firm.

Same with the vaccine and, in years past, a few operations. Until I decide that reading articles on the computer or listening to politically selected TV news, gives me the knowledge to treat myself, I'll put myself in the hands of my doctors and whatever hospital is suggested.

Same as I do when the electronics fail on my car. Take it to the shop or dealer.

 

[Dancing_Queen]

My evidently confusing post was- -Back then, NO ONE ever stepped out of the line and attempted to sell the BS about the shots being unproven or "poison" as some people claim today. I'm far from a believer in the "poison" theory.

I'm one of the "followers" that still believe that my doctors and health pros, know more about medical treatments than I do. At my age I take a handful of pills everyday. When the doc thinks that, after testing, my meds should be adjusted, I don't engage him in a discussion regarding Big Pharma or if he's "on the take' from some particular firm.

Same with the vaccine and, in years past, a few operations. Until I decide that reading articles on the computer or listening to politically selected TV news, gives me the knowledge to treat myself, I'll put myself in the hands of my doctors and whatever hospital is suggested.

Same as I do when the electronics fail on my car. Take it to the shop or dealer.

Thanks for the clarification, Dave.

 

[Butterfly]

I, for one, would not utilize the services of a hospital or clinic that allowed employees to work without being vaccinated.

Maybe said employees have the right to choose, but so do I, and I choose not to be treated, examined, cared for or whatever else by medical personnel who are not vaccinated.

 

[Becky1951]

I, for one, would not utilize the services of a hospital or clinic that allowed employees to work without being vaccinated.

Maybe said employees have the right to choose, but so do I, and I choose not to be treated, examined, cared for or whatever else by medical personnel who are not vaccinated.

If your having a heart attack are you going to refuse going to the nearest hospital if they have some unvaccinated employees? Or if your in a car accident bleeding to death and time is critical are you going to refuse to be taken to the nearest hospital if they have unvaccinated employees? If your unconscious for any reason you won't have a choice, you will be taken to the nearest hospital regardless of who is or isn't vaccinated.

 

[Butterfly]

If your having a heart attack are you going to refuse going to the nearest hospital if they have some unvaccinated employees? Or if your in a car accident bleeding to death and time is critical are you going to refuse to be taken to the nearest hospital if they have unvaccinated employees? If your unconscious for any reason you won't have a choice, you will be taken to the nearest hospital regardless of who is or isn't vaccinated.

Not a problem here. The two big hospital systems here require vaccination, as I believe any responsible hospital should.