Many Healthcare Workers Refusing Vaccine

Becky1951 said:
It's true we think of only Dr's and nurses.

But once again, higher education does not always equate to higher intelligence. To imply those with a lower level education is without the intelligence to make an informed decision is degrading IMO.
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The point is, for people who are reading these articles, they're seeing "health care workers are not getting the vaccine" and they're thinking Dr.s and nurses are refusing the vaccine, which isn't necessarily true, which makes them reconsider there choice. They're opinion might change if they knew those "healthcare workers" were mainly janitors and food workers.
It's not about higher education meaning higher intelligence, it's about people who have actually studied a subject compared to someone who hasn't, no matter how smart. Next time you have a medical condition, go see a janitor. And next time you have a plumbing problem go see your Dr and see how that works out.
 

fmdog44 said:
If those people are right then science is wrong? The numbers are turning in a positive direction in many areas. Perhaps many of those workers know if they do get it they will be given top priority treatment. Many don't trust the government as many black healthcare workers have expressed fear. I wonder what the numbers in the Tampa Bay area will look like after the partying before and after the Super Bowl.
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Or what the numbers will look like when those that drove and flew in in are back home in a couple weeks. Sigh.
 

garyt1957 said:
The point is, for people who are reading these articles, they're seeing "health care workers are not getting the vaccine" and they're thinking Dr.s and nurses are refusing the vaccine, which isn't necessarily true, which makes them reconsider there choice. They're opinion might change if they knew those "healthcare workers" were mainly janitors and food workers.
It's not about higher education meaning higher intelligence, it's about people who have actually studied a subject compared to someone who hasn't, no matter how smart. Next time you have a medical condition, go see a janitor. And next time you have a plumbing problem go see your Dr and see how that works out.
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This would suggest that people may examine the issue further.........do research on their own ...... maybe that is too much to expect that people look deeper then the Title..........easier to believe all can just be herded like cattle to make the choice others have......

Do any of the articles state the percentage of these are janitors and cafeteria workers.? Maybe they go farther to pick the real smart doctors and nurses as some may have not gone to the "right" school so they should be dismissed as well..........

If they do NOT break down every survey by resume...how do some KNOW it is not Dr or nurses??.......
others are making assumptions too ...............
Many seem to ASSUME only others working in healthcare setting .... but NOT the smart ones ....chose to not have shot...

That is very condescending......... yet being used to dismiss anyone not following group think.....
I encourage people to look at ALL information not assumptions to make their personal choice........

But if too many do not pick the item being pushed ....I am sure many will try to force that on others.........
this is why now days .....people love to shut down or Cancel anyone that disagrees with them or even brings up a discussion
 
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garyt1957 said:
The point is, for people who are reading these articles, they're seeing "health care workers are not getting the vaccine" and they're thinking Dr.s and nurses are refusing the vaccine, which isn't necessarily true, which makes them reconsider there choice. They're opinion might change if they knew those "healthcare workers" were mainly janitors and food workers.
It's not about higher education meaning higher intelligence, it's about people who have actually studied a subject compared to someone who hasn't, no matter how smart. Next time you have a medical condition, go see a janitor. And next time you have a plumbing problem go see your Dr and see how that works out.
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A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective,

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-vaccine-health-care-worker-reluctance/

Dr. Joseph Varon, chief of critical care at Houstonā€™s United Memorial Medical Center, told NPR in December more than half of the nurses in his unit informed him they would not get the vaccine.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ne-workers-are-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

COVID: Why some doctors and nurses hesitate to get vaccinated


https://amp.dw.com/en/covid-why-some-doctors-and-nurses-hesitate-to-get-vaccinated/a-56162735
 
garyt1957 said:
The point is, for people who are reading these articles, they're seeing "health care workers are not getting the vaccine" and they're thinking Dr.s and nurses are refusing the vaccine, which isn't necessarily true, which makes them reconsider there choice. They're opinion might change if they knew those "healthcare workers" were mainly janitors and food workers.
It's not about higher education meaning higher intelligence, it's about people who have actually studied a subject compared to someone who hasn't, no matter how smart. Next time you have a medical condition, go see a janitor. And next time you have a plumbing problem go see your Dr and see how that works out.
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Well, nice try anyway.....

"A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective, according to a recent survey by Surgo Ventures, a non-profit group focused on solving health and social problems. Others in the health field worried the development of the vaccine had been rushed."
 
Becky1951 said:
A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective,

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-vaccine-health-care-worker-reluctance/

Dr. Joseph Varon, chief of critical care at Houstonā€™s United Memorial Medical Center, told NPR in December more than half of the nurses in his unit informed him they would not get the vaccine.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ne-workers-are-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

COVID: Why some doctors and nurses hesitate to get vaccinated


https://amp.dw.com/en/covid-why-some-doctors-and-nurses-hesitate-to-get-vaccinated/a-56162735
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The first article can list everyone in a group that was surveyed even if some of the sub groups listed did not have a significant percentage as a sub group. So I see that article as the same nothing burger as the earlier one.

The second article was published January 2nd and updated on the 3rd, so we don't know when those numbers were gathered and what they are like now. The more than 50 percent at one clinic or medical center is significant, but we don't know the nature of that population. It might be a group of nurses that is all young and might have a lower chance of serious consequences of getting Covid.

The last one was also from a survey done in December and it was also done in Germany. I'm not sure how our experience translates to that of Germany. We are the 8th worst country in the world for Covid deaths per capita and Germany is the 38th worst. Our rate 1410 per million is more than 3 times higher than their 438 per million. So it isn't as risky to skip a vaccination there as it is here.
 
The point is, there are Doctors and nurses, which have medical knowledge verses the Janitors and plumbers, and kitchen help who do not have privy to that knowledge and those Doctors and nurses are turning down the vaccine. I'm sure Germany's Doctors are reasonably educated just as our are.

This push to get those wishing to wait is getting ridiculous.

Snarky remarks and implying those who wish to wait are uneducated, plus many more.

No one who is waiting to get the vaccine is trying to convince others to not get vaccinated just because they are not getting the vaccine, yet there are plenty on the band wagon trying to imply that those waiting don't have the information or education needed to make that decision.

I will continue to read as much information that's available as I can, and will continue to post information I find. Good or bad.

I believe we need to know as much as we can in order to make a decision. The problem is there isn't enough solid, confirmed without a doubt information yet.

Plenty of maybes, possible's, could, should, might, more data needed, more research coming.

Those words come in handy when they have to back peddle when they are wrong.
 
I'm sorry if I've come off as snarky, that has not been my intent.

I do agree that everyone should use whatever reliable, credible information they can get to decide whether or not to get vaccinated.

I am not trying to push anyone to get a shot if they are not wishing to. I'm sorry my posts are giving that impression.

The point I was trying to make with the original healthcare workers article and the one you posted recently is that set of people include both those with extensive medical knowledge and training and those who do not. They did not break down the percentages of differentiated groups turning down the vaccine.

The bottom line for me is that I am fortunate to have had two very closely related genetic relatives, my father and my son, who have had the vaccines without any complications so that bodes well for the same to happen for me. The other thing that I'm happy with is that we have had 33 million people get one or both doses of the vaccine without any widespread problems reported. So based on those two things I feel comfortable getting vaccinated and am looking forward to be eligible to get vaccinated ASAP.

There are many legitimate reasons why someone wouldn't want to be vaccinated yet and hopefully most of those reasons will be addressed as time goes on.
 
asp3 said:
I'm sorry if I've come off as snarky, that has not been my intent.

I do agree that everyone should use whatever reliable, credible information they can get to decide whether or not to get vaccinated.

I am not trying to push anyone to get a shot if they are not wishing to. I'm sorry my posts are giving that impression.

The point I was trying to make with the original healthcare workers article and the one you posted recently is that set of people include both those with extensive medical knowledge and training and those who do not. They did not break down the percentages of differentiated groups turning down the vaccine.

The bottom line for me is that I am fortunate to have had two very closely related genetic relatives, my father and my son, who have had the vaccines without any complications so that bodes well for the same to happen for me. The other thing that I'm happy with is that we have had 33 million people get one or both doses of the vaccine without any widespread problems reported. So based on those two things I feel comfortable getting vaccinated and am looking forward to be eligible to get vaccinated ASAP.

There are many legitimate reasons why someone wouldn't want to be vaccinated yet and hopefully most of those reasons will be addressed as time goes on.
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Oh my I'm sorry asp3, my post was not meant to you personally. You've never posted anything that came off as snarky.
I know your not pushing the vaccine.
 
It's a bad look - doctors and nurses refusing the jab - and I don't blame people for not rushing to have one, but here, we've been told to expect the worst possible outcome IMO - in the coming months (possibly years), we will not be allowed into a supermarket or a chemist to pick up medication unless we can show vaccination proof.
 
win231 said:
Well, nice try anyway.....

"A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective, according to a recent survey by Surgo Ventures, a non-profit group focused on solving health and social problems. Others in the health field worried the development of the vaccine had been rushed."
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I wasn't really arguing the other way. Just that the idea that "health care workers" in many of these articles (especially when they include nursing homes) aren't likely the people most think they are. I have my issues with the vaccine also. I probably won't get one of the mRNA vaccines, but might get one of the others after doing more research.
 
Becky1951 said:
A significant percentage of doctors, nurses, EMS workers, support staff and other health care employees said they turned down the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines over concerns they may not be safe or effective,

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-vaccine-health-care-worker-reluctance/

Dr. Joseph Varon, chief of critical care at Houstonā€™s United Memorial Medical Center, told NPR in December more than half of the nurses in his unit informed him they would not get the vaccine.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ne-workers-are-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

COVID: Why some doctors and nurses hesitate to get vaccinated


https://amp.dw.com/en/covid-why-some-doctors-and-nurses-hesitate-to-get-vaccinated/a-56162735
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Not arguing that they didn't. Although a significant % is certainly not a majority. My point was that any article that quotes "healthcare workers" is not made up of a majority of the people we think they're referring to at first glance. I have my own problems with the vaccine and will probably not get the mRNA version. Still up in the air about the others.
 
From the survey...
"Among all healthcare workers, women, Republicans, and Black healthcare workers were the most hesitant; and Black healthcare workers so far have refused available vaccines at significantly higher rates than the average (35%)."

Hmmm...
 
Irwin said:
From the survey...
"Among all healthcare workers, women, Republicans, and Black healthcare workers were the most hesitant; and Black healthcare workers so far have refused available vaccines at significantly higher rates than the average (35%)."

Hmmm...
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Numerous articles have mentioned the memory of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment as one reason African-Americans are not getting vaccinated. Another article I read had a comment from a female African-American nurse who said that African-American females are one of the least medically studied groups and therefore she didn't feel comfortable that the potential effects of the vaccine were explored enough for her to get a vaccination yet.
 
asp3 said:
Numerous articles have mentioned the memory of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment as one reason African-Americans are not getting vaccinated. Another article I read had a comment from a female African-American nurse who said that African-American females are one of the least medically studied groups and therefore she didn't feel comfortable that the potential effects of the vaccine were explored enough for her to get a vaccination yet.
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Some medical practices in the US and other countries have been horror stories.
 
Jeni said:
So an inactive type virus in a vaccine......... the antibodies last more than a year .... but a real invasion of virus and your body fights off successfully ...... but forgets in 3-5 months ....

I am not sure i am buying into that.....
No this is no way to live...... i agree................ but too much of this has gone too far and we will never return to normal ........
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Youā€™re not getting a weakened virus or killed virus when you get the Covid vaccine so itā€™s an invalid comparison. .
 
old medic said:
One of our medics has had both shots, and basically felt like hell for 2 weeks...
Kicking himself for taking it.
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Only two weeks? Lucky him.

I got sick with a mild case the end of December and have been coughing for 7 weeks with no clear end in sight. If it doesn't clear up in two weeks with the new steroid Rx, the next step is X-rays and CT scans to determine whether my lungs have suffered irreversible lung damage from Covid.

Beyond being 68, I have not a single pre-existing condition - not overweight, don't smoke, no diabetes, no high BP, etc. - and had been very careful.

Compared to some of the personal COVID experiences fellow SF members have suffered, two weeks of feeling like hell would be a walk in the park.
 
I have truly seen such a diverse reaction to the virus and vaccination across the board....
80+ years old with tons of issues... minor symptoms..
63 year old healthy and fell apart and died.
90 something the other day tested negative twice, got the vac and then became positive... has no COVID complaints.
But again Im considered exposed again myself because of his fall...
 
For your consideration only.

Had lunch with two PhD's in the pharma research and development field.

Both of them said they would not get the vaccine.

All the nurses I know and spoken with said hey would not get the vaccine if given a choice. One was a retired head nurse in an ICU.

A friend of mine just had his physical and asked his DR about the vaccine. His Dr. said that he would not recommend that he get the vaccine.
 

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