Milk is Racist say experts...

Della said:
Out of something ridiculous a little good may come. My vegan son has shown me lots of evidence that drinking cow's milk is not good for humans and may cause cancer.
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By all means, in your case, stay away from milk but let the rest of us gurgle our way to the grave while swilling down our milkshakes and frappes!! :D
 

timoc said:
Ye Gods!! Now I know the world has gone completely and utterly bonkers.
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I really don't understand how there can be such an emotional tinged response to sociological/historical research. I suspect if the topic had been gratifying to your cultural identity you would not react the same way (such as, if it was a study about colonialism and the spread of western contract law).

Though I guess it is the word 'white' that is triggering emotion and a confusion about 'white supremacy'. Since it is a UK research thing I doubt if they mean the KKK, I think they are using the terminology to describe the way white culture assumes it is more correct than others.

Analogies would be like humorous YouTube videos where an American tells an Australian that they love their accent, but when the Australian tells the American they love the American's accent, the American vehemently denies having any accent. Or the humorous YouTube video of an office meeting in India where the Indians are expressing surprise and amusement over the little short names of the Americans in the meeting.

I found the latter very funny because I recognized myself as doing that, always being amazed at how long the names were of our Indian teammates.
 
Lilac said:
Not sure who came up with that, but maybe it was an oatmeal hater. I will have to disagree with them.

After having another blood panel that was worse than the previous, I fell down the rabbit hole on the net & was trying to find something to make a difference. I had been trying different supplements & along with exercise, but nothing was working.

I found a study about people who ate oatmeal for 5 out 7 days which showed that their cholesterol had been lowered. This reminded me when my husband & I ate oatmeal for breakfast everyday when we worked & we had no issues.

I started to eat oatmeal for breakfast five days a week for 6 months. My cholesterol went back to normal levels as well other things on my blood panel that was out of wack. My doctor was amazed because the previous panel was bad & she asked what I did. I just said diet & to be honest, I was shocked at the results. I continued that for the next six months & my panel was still good. I will be going back again for another panel soon & I'm hoping for the same results.

And yes, I have milk with mine with a little sugar.
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Oatmeal contains phytic acid which lowers the absorption of some nutrients.
Every single thing is both good and bad on a sliding scale. That's why we don't want to go overboard with anything, but we want to maintain a happy medium.
Example: the sun. Too much, hello cataracts. Too little: hello depression.
 

I don't see where the word "racist" fits into this at all. I think whoever introduced it (one of the academics? a smartass journalist?) was just trying to get a hullabaloo started. How can a food be racist?

But medical professionals, scholars, etc. did antagonize the tobacco lobby in this country by daring(!) to say that smoking is bad for us and often causes death. The tobacco lobby ridiculed the idea and accused the academics of prejudice against them, lying, etc., until they couldn't deny it any more.

Holly, you seem to be mainly incensed about the use of tax dollars for scientific research. This project may have been a silly one, but where should the line be drawn for studies about food and health? What if it turned out that milk really was bad for us? (I don't believe it, I'm a milk drinker and always put it in my coffee, and how else could we eat cold cereal for breakfast?) But what if these studies found that there was some truth to the hypothesis? Should a test of probability be applied before granting the money for the research?

I'm not arguing, just wondering. What could we use instead of tax money? Of course, getting back to the scientific research, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Asking for a grant for something totally ludicrous, without previous academic credentials, should get a resounding "No." But dragging the tax money argument into it is walking on pretty thin ice, IMO. If somebody actually said that milk is racist, that itself is the problem, not whether the study was funded by tax money.
 
Sunny said:
I don't see where the word "racist" fits into this at all. I think whoever introduced it (one of the academics? a smartass journalist?) was just trying to get a hullabaloo started. How can a food be racist?

But medical professionals, scholars, etc. did antagonize the tobacco lobby in this country by daring(!) to say that smoking is bad for us and often causes death. The tobacco lobby ridiculed the idea and accused the academics of prejudice against them, lying, etc., until they couldn't deny it any more.

Holly, you seem to be mainly incensed about the use of tax dollars for scientific research. This project may have been a silly one, but where should the line be drawn for studies about food and health? What if it turned out that milk really was bad for us? (I don't believe it, I'm a milk drinker and always put it in my coffee, and how else could we eat cold cereal for breakfast?) But what if these studies found that there was some truth to the hypothesis? Should a test of probability be applied before granting the money for the research?
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I'm talking about British Public money..not Dollars.:rolleyes::rolleyes:.you wanna spend your dollars on this garbage go ahead... but I don't in the uk, and neither do most when we're just recently come out of a deep recession.. We are drowning in legal and illegal immigrants, no infrastructure..hospitals, Police stations closing at a rate of knots... no new schools being built to cope with the influx.. no new doctors surgeries, no new dentists, years wait for operations, people being kept on trolleys in hospital corridors for days at a time... .....

You work out why I think it's madness that British people's tax money is going on this garbage without our permission..FGS... sick of you nitpicking everything I say... :mad: if you'd have read the Op properly...obviously too hard for you, you would have seen this study is in the UK!
 
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Sunny's post seemed a general question about tax dollars (or pounds or euros or whatever) being used to fund research - not a specific one about any individual country.

Sunny, yes I.m sure the word racist was introduced by the journalists - it isnt mentioned anywhere in the actual excerpt about the study.

But makes a good clickbait headline.

Gutter journalism - where your purpose is not to inform or give thought out opinion but to generate clicks for commercial purposes - and best way to do that is to introduce a trigger word to get umpteen knee-jerk outrage comments by people who don't read past the headline.

I dont think the study premise is garbage - but I also dont think it is scientific research - more cultural or historical research

Whether that changes how it should be funded I dont know.
 
hollydolly said:
you wanna spend your dollars on this garbage go ahead... but I don't in the uk, and neither do most when we're just recently come out of a deep recession
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It may not be an obvious connection, but spending on Arts & Humanities is an investment that can increase the amount of tax dollars available for healthcare. Tourism brings in a lot of money, and tourists are attracted by Museums that have interesting exhibits.

Maybe the museum that provided the grant for the milk-colonialism study thinks that tourists from former British colonies will enjoy a little exhibit about milk while listening to a few minutes of the podcast recording interviewing someone in Kenya. It's really a thing, I've personally enjoyed going to museums and seeing exhibits while listening to interviews of people who were there. I mean like I'm going to Greece and spending money there that will go into their economy, but I'm sure not going to check out their medical system (I hope!), but to look at a bunch of ancient artifacts that someone spent tax dollars (presumably) to dig up.
 
HoneyNut said:
It may not be an obvious connection, but spending on Arts & Humanities is an investment that can increase the amount of tax dollars available for healthcare. Tourism brings in a lot of money, and tourists are attracted by Museums that have interesting exhibits.

Maybe the museum that provided the grant for the milk-colonialism study thinks that tourists from former British colonies will enjoy a little exhibit about milk while listening to a few minutes of the podcast recording interviewing someone in Kenya. It's really a thing, I've personally enjoyed going to museums and seeing exhibits while listening to interviews of people who were there. I mean like I'm going to Greece and spending money there that will go into their economy, but I'm sure not going to check out their medical system (I hope!), but to look at a bunch of ancient artifacts that someone spent tax dollars (presumably) to dig up.
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Museums are free here...
 
Today I learnt that developing the ability to digest lactose was one of our last evolutionary changes. Apparently it goes back to Hungary 4000 years ago. To this day 2/3rds of humans are lactose intolerant, so there could be an element of truth in this supposition.
 
hollydolly said:
Museums are free here...
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But hotels and restaurants are not, right? And museums provide jobs and those employees pay taxes. I forget what I paid for my vacation to Wales/London/Paris pre-covid, but trust me I put money into your economy. There were a couple free museums in New York, but I still wound up spending $3000 for my 3 weeks there (too much of that money went to bakeries, ha).

In the big picture you won't fix immigration and health care by blaming a small museum grant. I feel so sorry for that museum and historian, I can't imagine what their feelings must be having been thrown under a bus as the cause of all the country's problems.
 
hollydolly said:
2/3rds ? :unsure:
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Yes.

aprox 2/3 of the world's population are lactose intolerant past early childhood

With that number being heavily skewed by racial group - Caucasian people being the least affected and Asian people being the most affected - so some countries like Norway which are very high percentage of Causacian people have the lowest stats -and place like Vietnam which have almost entirely Asian populations have the highest.

Lactose Intolerance by Country 2024

So clearly pushing dairy consumption onto colonised Asian countries had social and economic consequences - the sort of thing the study is researching.
 
hollydolly said:
I'm talking about British Public money..not Dollars.:rolleyes::rolleyes:.you wanna spend your dollars on this garbage go ahead... but I don't in the uk, and neither do most when we're just recently come out of a deep recession.. We are drowning in legal and illegal immigrants, no infrastructure..hospitals, Police stations closing at a rate of knots... no new schools being built to cope with the influx.. no new doctors surgeries, no new dentists, years wait for operations, people being kept on trolleys in hospital corridors for days at a time... .....

You work out why I think it's madness that British people's tax money is going on this garbage without our permission..FGS... sick of you nitpicking everything I say... :mad: if you'd have read the Op properly...obviously too hard for you, you would have seen this study is in the UK!
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Holly, my point, which apparently set off your extremely short fuse, was that "racist milk" is ridiculous. Using tax money to study the effects of milk is as valid as any other scientific research relating to health.

I am well aware that you are English. You don't let us forget it for a second, plus you have London, England right under your name. The issue about tax dollars (or pounds, or euros, or whatever various countries call their money) is the same. And people here have varying opinions on what our money should be spent on, believe it or not. The far right fringe in this country objects to pretty much every tax that is imposed on them, no matter for what, and the rich have contrived to pay a minimum of taxes, leaving the middle class to foot the bill.

So, what about scientific research? Milk being "racist" sounds like a joke. But what about real research? Should cancer research, for example, be funded? How was the Covid vaccine funded? I don't really know, but I suspect it was not entirely by private contributions within the business community.

Schools teach some courses that I think are totally absurd. But I wouldn't withhold my tax money even if I could. I'd try to change the curriculum if it bothered me that much.

And there are crooked, sometimes violent police who are funded by tax money. Should we stop paying taxes? Or should we go after the bad cops and get them fired (or arrested)? The list goes on and on.

No one enjoys paying taxes. But they are a necessary evil.
 
Gruntlabor, some of our greatest museums are free. All the wonderful museums of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC are completely free to the public. But most museums in this country do charge admission.
 
NYC run museums are free to residents of the city. Unfortunately I don't avail myself of this anymore due to needing help to get there and general dilution of my energy. Love museums.
 
Sunny said:
Holly, my point, which apparently set off your extremely short fuse, was that "racist milk" is ridiculous. Using tax money to study the effects of milk is as valid as any other scientific research relating to health.

I am well aware that you are English. You don't let us forget it for a second, plus you have London, England right under your name. The issue about tax dollars (or pounds, or euros, or whatever various countries call their money) is the same. And people here have varying opinions on what our money should be spent on, believe it or not. The far right fringe in this country objects to pretty much every tax that is imposed on them, no matter for what, and the rich have contrived to pay a minimum of taxes, leaving the middle class to foot the bill.

So, what about scientific research? Milk being "racist" sounds like a joke. But what about real research? Should cancer research, for example, be funded? How was the Covid vaccine funded? I don't really know, but I suspect it was not entirely by private contributions within the business community.

Schools teach some courses that I think are totally absurd. But I wouldn't withhold my tax money even if I could. I'd try to change the curriculum if it bothered me that much.

And there are crooked, sometimes violent police who are funded by tax money. Should we stop paying taxes? Or should we go after the bad cops and get them fired (or arrested)? The list goes on and on.

No one enjoys paying taxes. But they are a necessary evil.
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There you are ..wrong again...you're very rarely right, and you're wrong once again... I am not English and you have been here long enough to know that , but again why get anything right when you so easily get everything wrong..

You attacked me personally, and started shouting about what I think tax DOLLARS should be spent on, when it was clear to everyone else bar you, that the study was taking place in the UK..

The fact is, you do this every time anyone says anything remotely against the USA, ..and you're so fixated on it you're now not even reading things properly and just immediately presuming that this must be Anti-American.. and attack..as always..


..and here you are going off the subject .. it's not about paying taxes per se.. it's about paying for research no-one has agreed to.. which is unnecessary , and especially while the country is struggling with a recession...and taxes are desperately needed for hospitals schools... and many other important issues.

However don't let the facts get in your way.. you concentrate on your little part of the US.. and let me concentrate on more important things in my own country
 
It isn't about "Caucasian" people. Lactase persistence naturally occurs in sub-populations within Northern Europe and Western Africa, with a few more pockets here and there. It is a biological response to food scarcity, a hard-won evolutionary advantage, and hardly something to chastise them for.

Some people have been conditioned to revel in politicizing everything. The study obviously has an intentionally sinister agenda. The fundrakers involved have a history that makes that clear.
 
Who is getting chastised for being or not being lactose intolerant???

No it isn't obvious to me that there is any sinister agenda at all.

Seems perfectly reasonable research project to me. Whether there should be any government funding is another question. The article didn't say how much funding there was or how much had been applied for.
Grants get allocated for various things, usually small in the overall economic budget.
 

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