More countries to end covid restrictions.

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ohioboy said:
Good thing the Jury did not!
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IYO a good thing ....... IMO I truly wish they would have.

And again opinion ........... I think the main reason they did not was the threat of Minn/St Paul burning to the ground.
 

rgp said:
"I just feel you do not do the same."

Well ........ you would be incorrect . I just avoid some in my social circles , and I do have a right to do so. And i sleep just fine.
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Now that is different than avoiding an entire race because of a few bad apples.Of course there is going to be bad apples in every race, religion or whatever you may come across and yes to associate with them if you feel they will bring you and your family down is one thing, but to wrap an entire race or religion or whatever to that because of just a few bad apples then that is not the correct approach.
 
Rah-Rah said:
Now that is different than avoiding an entire race because of a few bad apples.Of course there is going to be bad apples in every race, religion or whatever you may come across and yes to associate with them if you feel they will bring you and your family down is one thing, but to wrap an entire race or religion or whatever to that because of just a few bad apples then that is not the correct approach.
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Well .......... If I may change ? That is your opinion & I respect it ......... I may not agree, but I do respect you & your opinion.
 
rgp said:
Well .......... If I may change ? That is your opinion & I respect it ......... I may not agree, but I do respect you & your opinion.
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Like I have said people will always disagree. That is what people do. I just will always look at every person as equal no matter what their race, religion, gender or sexuality is.
 
Rah-Rah said:
Are you telling me that they are making up false death certificates and that many people have not died? If so, you have lost your mind.
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The fact is: numbers are skewed by listing deaths being caused by COVID, when in fact, people died from other causes and were found to test positive for COVID post mortem. Big difference in every way.
 
Lewkat said:
The fact is: numbers are skewed by listing deaths being caused by COVID, when in fact, people died from other causes and were found to test positive for COVID post mortem. Big difference in every way.
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I was disputing that he was saying that the numbers were just higher and that many deaths didn't even happen. So what I was saying is if he thought doctors were actually filling out false death certificates of deaths that didn't even occur at all?
 
At any rate, several news sites did report today from various parts of the globe that Omicron has hit bottom and no longer the threat that it was. But, some so called scientist will alarmingly come along and warn about another stealth variant more deadly than the last. Just use your own methods of protecting yourselves if you are fearful. No point in all this ridiculous bickering as it resolves absolutely nothing and is utterly childish. One can just jump to another thread anytime.
 
Lewkat said:
At any rate, several news sites did report today from various parts of the globe that Omicron has hit bottom and no longer the threat that it was. But, some so called scientist will alarmingly come along and warn about another stealth variant more deadly than the last. Just use your own methods of protecting yourselves if you are fearful. No point in all this ridiculous bickering as it resolves absolutely nothing and is utterly childish. One can just jump to another thread anytime.
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I agree with you and I do hope that the Omicron variant is coming to an end. People do not seem to understand though that what viruses do are mutate that is the main reason why they come up with a different type of shot every year for the flu because it is a different strand of flu virus. The same can be said for this virus. So yes down the road there just might be another variant to deal with and hopefully by then countries will be even more prepared to deal with it and it will last even less time and so on and so on until these mutations are pretty much meaningless. I hope that is the case.

You are also correct that we all just need to choose our own methods to stay safe no matter what and I have taken that stance pretty much from the beginning of all of this.
 
I'm back to pretty normal living. I only wear a mask where it's mandated. I go to the casino, movie theatre, restaurants, play pickleball, go to the gym, been on a plane. I have to confess I do use covid to get out of things I don't really want to do. My wife wanted me to go to a concert and I used "Well, maybe we shouldn't with covid" Worked too.
 
On the original subject: Opening back up after ...

we had two larger employers ready to pull the plug .... this waiting for things to get back to normal has Yet to see the other shoe drop.
Even with some people resuming a fairly normal routine the economic impact is delayed in some areas/ industries and I can only imagine more businesses held on as long as they could but cannot play this just wait game any longer.
Then what if places close jobs lost even if we OPEN some business has been slowing bleeding out and for some this may be too late.
Things are often connected ... business lost .. suppliers to that business suffer it is a domino effect.
Maybe some other countries want to avoid that and see a future problem ....
The US seems to be bickering so much we are not seeing the forest .....because trees are in our way.....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Rah-Rah said:
I agree with you and I do hope that the Omicron variant is coming to an end. People do not seem to understand though that what viruses do are mutate that is the main reason why they come up with a different type of shot every year for the flu because it is a different strand of flu virus. The same can be said for this virus. So yes down the road there just might be another variant to deal with and hopefully by then countries will be even more prepared to deal with it and it will last even less time and so on and so on until these mutations are pretty much meaningless. I hope that is the case.

You are also correct that we all just need to choose our own methods to stay safe no matter what and I have taken that stance pretty much from the beginning of all of this.
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"People do not seem to understand though that what viruses do are mutate that is the main reason why they come up with a different type of shot every year for the flu because it is a different strand of flu virus. The same can be said for this virus."

I've been in this forum awhile, everyone here does understand viruses mutate and another mutation may be worse.

But we cannot live our lives in daily fear of that happening, and news outlets, experts continue pushing the fear.....daily.

I'm sure we don't forget within 24 hours. Theres a difference in forgetting your keys and forgetting a virus we have lived with for the past 2 years.

We can only do what each of us feel is right for us, take whatever precautions we're comfortable with.
 
Becky1951 said:
"People do not seem to understand though that what viruses do are mutate that is the main reason why they come up with a different type of shot every year for the flu because it is a different strand of flu virus. The same can be said for this virus."

I've been in this forum awhile, everyone here does understand viruses mutate and another mutation may be worse.

But we cannot live our lives in daily fear of that happening, and news outlets, experts continue pushing the fear.....daily.

I'm sure we don't forget within 24 hours. Theres a difference in forgetting your keys and forgetting a virus we have lived with for the past 2 years.

We can only do what each of us feel is right for us, take whatever precautions we're comfortable with.
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I agree with you. I don't live in fear of this virus by locking myself in my house away from everything. I do pretty much everything the same other than I choose to wear a mask which I do not find to be a hindrance and it does give me comfort right now. I certainly want this all to come to an end and pray each night that it will. I also however have to think logically and realistically as well on how this has gone. I am not just going to wake up one day and say to myself Oh I am going to go back to the way it was before all this started because logically that would not in my opinion be in my best interest. So I go about my days wearing my mask and doing what pretty much I have always done. I will go out to dinner with my husband from time to time. Go to the theater as well. I go to church. I just wear my mask and use hand sanitizer and I feel that is what i need to do.
 
win231 said:
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/07/covid19-death-certificate-change-stirs-controversy
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I understand that fully that many have believe that to be the source of inflated Covid death numbers. What I thought you were saying is that doctors were filling out death certificates for fake people who didn't even die to raise the number of Covid deaths. Maybe I misinterpreted what you posted. I do not believe that doctors made up death certificates for fake deaths to inflate the Covid numbers.
 
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Becky1951 said:
"People do not seem to understand though that what viruses do are mutate that is the main reason why they come up with a different type of shot every year for the flu because it is a different strand of flu virus. The same can be said for this virus."

I've been in this forum awhile, everyone here does understand viruses mutate and another mutation may be worse.

But we cannot live our lives in daily fear of that happening, and news outlets, experts continue pushing the fear.....daily.

I'm sure we don't forget within 24 hours. Theres a difference in forgetting your keys and forgetting a virus we have lived with for the past 2 years.

We can only do what each of us feel is right for us, take whatever precautions we're comfortable with.
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Well said @Becky1951!
 
Rah-Rah said:
I understand that fully that many have believe that to be the source of inflated Covid death numbers. What I thought you were saying is that doctors were filling out death certificates for fake people who didn't even die to raise the number of Covid deaths. Maybe I misinterpreted what you posted.
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No, I don't think doctors would fill out death certificates for fake people. I doubt there would be any incentive for that.
But there is a case on its way to court involving an ER nurse who is suing the hospital she was fired from. (I can't find a link on the web)
A patient was brought in who had fatal head injuries in a traffic accident. The doctor ordered the nurse to list the cause of death as Covid because his blood supposedly tested positive. She refused, so she was fired.
 
win231 said:
No, I don't think doctors would fill out death certificates for fake people. I doubt there would be any incentive for that.
But there is a case on its way to court involving an ER nurse who is suing the hospital she was fired from. (I can't find a link on the web)
A patient was brought in who had fatal head injuries in a traffic accident. The doctor ordered the nurse to list the cause of death as Covid because his blood supposedly tested positive. She refused, so she was fired.
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It was a money game ... hospitals showing larger covid numbers got emergency funds....

I think we ALL wish that honesty and real concern for leaning about this as fast as possible was the road taken....
but when you try to allocate funds not just based on lets say population of state / city but as even as you can by number of cases ...
guess what working the numbers WAS played. No one will be held accountable and next time something happens the same lousy data will happen.
 

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