More guns don't seem to be the answer....

Lethe200

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Angry Drivers, Lots of Guns: An Explosion in Road Rage Shootings
Dozens have been reported in Texas alone amid a pandemic surge in gun purchases and a country increasingly on edge.
NY Times 12April2022
(full article: access restricted to max 5/per month) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/us/road-rage-shootings-guns-texas.html

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... These eruptions of sudden violence — a man in Tulsa, Okla., firing repeatedly after an argument at a red light; a Georgia driver shot while on a family road trip — are not unique to any part of America, among a population that is increasingly on edge and carrying guns. But they have been perhaps most pronounced on the roads of Texas.

“In the past, people curse one another, throw up the finger and keep moving,” Mayor Sylvester Turner of Houston said in an interview. “Now instead of throwing up the finger, they’re pulling out the gun and shooting.”

As more motorists seemed to be firing guns last year, the Dallas Police Department began tracking road rage shootings for the first time. The results were alarming: 45 people wounded, 11 killed.

In Austin last year, the police recorded 160 episodes of drivers pointing or firing a gun; this year, there have been 15 road rage shootings, with three people struck. (Two others were stabbed in altercations stemming from road rage.)

... For its report on an increase in road rage shootings, the gun control group Everytown for Gun Safety relied on the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that compiles data from government sources and media reports. The group found that more than 500 people had been injured or killed in reported road rage shootings last year, up from fewer than 300 in 2019.

“The story that it’s telling is a definite and really worrying increase in incidents of road rage involving a gun,” said Sarah Burd-Sharps, the senior director of research at Everytown for Gun Safety. “Only in this country is someone shot and injured or killed every 17 hours in a road rage incident.”
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger as The Terminator addressed the issue in Terminator: Dark Fate. He had a room full of guns… 🙀

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I was watching a Fly-on-the-wall cop show on TV just yesterday ( American).. and they operate in Kansas City.. The lead cop said the same as the OP.
He said in KC as many people have guns as they have wallets ... and the slightest irritation will have them shooting someone rather than sort the problem out verbally or a non violent manner . He said that he's never known the gun problem as bad, as it has become recently..
 
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"More guns don't seem to be the answer..." to which I have to ask, what is the question?

Yesterday there was a fatality at the Royal Easter Show in Sydney. A fight broke out between two gangs (South Sea Islander men) and knives were produced. It appears to have been pre-planned. One man is dead with a stab wound to the heart. Another is in hospital but no bystanders were affected.

For this to happen at such a family friendly event is shocking but thankfully no firearms were involved.

I would say that violence is never the answer. Violence itself is the problem.
 
Instead of listening to the media, we can reference the statements and positions of the actual security people, involved in these issues.

For example, the national organizations of police chiefs.

These are security professionals. They are not politicians or pundits trying to win political points.
 
I never thought that guns were the answer unless you are a hunter or a rancher. For urbanites, carrying guns is carrying trouble. Remember that a lot of mental hospitals have closed over the years. So, where do you think that these mental patients went? Yup! They are walking the streets of our cities and our towns. Just don't get them mad or they might give you free air conditioning.
 
I think it's a combination of overcrowding, drugs, availability of weapons and social media. People have to get away from everybody and go to the country and chill (but don't come here).
 
I was watching a Fly-on-the-wall cop show on TV just yesterday ( American).. and they operate in Kansas City.. The lead cop said the same as the OP.
He said in KC as many people have guns as they have wallets ... and the slightest irritation will have them shooting someone rather than sort the problem out verbally or a non violent manner . He said that he's never known the gun problem as bad, as it has become recently..

I lived and worked in Kansas City for 30 years....we left that city about 20 years ago. Even back then, there were areas where no Sane person would venture into...especially after dark. Then, on the other side of the State, there is St. Louis....where the crime and murder rates are almost 50% higher. And Then, there are places like Chicago, Detroit, and Baltimore which make the Missouri cities seem almost Safe, by comparison.

That's a primary reason why we moved to a nice rural area when I retired. Out here. virtually everyone owns guns, and deer and turkey seasons are almost "religious" holidays. However, the people out here say Hello to each other, rather than F...You.
 
I was watching a Fly-on-the-wall cop show on TV just yesterday ( American).. and they operate in Kansas City.. The lead cop said the same as the OP.
He said in KC as many people have guns as they have wallets ... and the slightest irritation will have them shooting someone rather than sort the problem out verbally or a non violent manner . He said that he's never known the gun problem as bad, as it has become recently..
Like all big cities in America.

Find a city cop and he will tell you the same thing you heard from our KC cop.

Live outside of the city, in a suburb and it is just the opposite. I have lived in Denver, Charlottesville, Memphis, and now a suburb of KC. KC is by far the best place I have lived. The people are good and violence is unusual, except for downtown, and even there it is not every night, unlike Memphis and Denver. We go downtown for dinner and shows and never worry. Nothing like Memphis was. We have areas to stay away from, but that is just the way it is, throughout America.
 
It is just common sense some people can keep control of themselves and others cannot..... under stress and mental issues some people make really stupid choices...these incidents are that most people never ever pull their gun .... only those who turned brain on pause. trying to look tough then when in situation where someone else is armed you went from 0-to stupid in 5 seconds.....

Never got the whole road rage issue either if someone is being aggressive and stupid i avoid them ..... even if that is taking a detour....etc
what does it matter if someone gets in front of you or rides your tail let them go .... it is NOT worth confrontation ....
no one seems to see consequences anymore .....
always told my kids to drive defensively and it really does not matter WHO is at fault at end of the day your car is totaled and your are walking.
 
I was watching a Fly-on-the-wall cop show on TV just yesterday ( American).. and they operate in Kansas City.. The lead cop said the same as the OP.
He said in KC as many people have guns as they have wallets ... and the slightest irritation will have them shooting someone rather than sort the problem out verbally or a non violent manner . He said that he's never known the gun problem as bad, as it has become recently..
Actually, it isn't a gun problem, its a people problem. How often have you seen a gun just jump up and shoot someone all by itself? Is it the knife's fault if an angry person stabs someone? Is it the car's fault if the driver runs someone down? Why do you always want to blame the crazies on the guns?
 
Actually, it isn't a gun problem, its a people problem. How often have you seen a gun just jump up and shoot someone all by itself? Is it the knife's fault if an angry person stabs someone? Is it the car's fault if the driver runs someone down? Why do you always want to blame the crazies on the guns?
Why do I ..always want to blame the crazies on guns ? I think you've mistaken me for the Cop.:rolleyes:.. it wasn't me who said it, I'm just repeating what the Kansas city cop said on TV yesterday
 
Ohio just passed a law taking effect in a few months, any person not otherwise prohibited by law to possess a weapon, can conceal carry without a permit or any instruction training.
 
Ohio just passed a law taking effect in a few months, any person not otherwise prohibited by law to possess a weapon, can conceal carry without a permit or any instruction training.

In N.C. we go through some classroom instruction, pass a test, and prove we can safely handle the handgun at the range. A background check from the county sheriff with fingerprinting is also required.
 
No one needs military style guns and certainly not magazines over 5 shells! No one hunts with an AR-15 either. Those are only meant for killing humans!
5 shells? LOL. Please do tell us how 5 shells would have saved these homeowners' lives: (note that each yellow paper on ground is a "shell")

 
Live outside of the city, in a suburb and it is just the opposite. I have lived in Denver, Charlottesville, Memphis, and now a suburb of KC.
What suburb are you in? We lived Blue Springs for 30 years, and it was quite nice. The "bad" areas back then, were 31st and Troost, and areas to the South of there. Now, going East from the downtown area, all the way to I-435, and the Raytown area, seem to have gone downhill substantially.

We have a Daughter/Son-in-law who have a nice place on Lake Tapawingo. They are still working, but are remodeling a house on the Lake of the Ozarks for when they retire.

We still go to the casinos a few times a year...mostly Harrah's and Ameristar, and we seldom venture beyond them.

When working, the main office was the huge building at 2345 Grand Ave. I spent most of my time at Hallmark Cards and Am. Century Investments near the Plaza.

I sometimes miss KC, but I look at the KC news frequently, and often shake my head.
 
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