More Immigration; More Problems!

Packerjohn

Packerjohn

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You know that most immigrants are hard working and try hard to fit into their new society. However, with the large influx of new comers, there will always be those creeps that should never have been allowed into the country in the 1st place. Here is an example. There are many more. Often the young form gangs in large cities but often the media is silent on this fact.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66098691
 

fuzzybuddy said:
To be flip about the situation- which is worse? Our homegrown creeps, or immigrant creeps? Why are our homegrwon creeps holier than immigrant creeps?
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The immigrant creeps for many reasons. When they come here, they can't speak the language, they have zero to very little skills, they have no medical insurance, so the American taxpayer is footed with a multi-billion dollar bill each year to cover their medical costs, Most are uneducated, many have no home to speak of and on and on.

The homegrown creeps are what they have always been. Lazy, shiftless bums living off the government. Enlistments are down and no one knows why. I have a few reasons, but no one is listening.
 
I wonder what the statistics are on immigration crime vs. home-grown. Of course, in any group from any corner of the world, there will always be a certain number of "creeps." But how many of the immigrants fit into that bracket?

I have read or heard very little about crime from immigrants vs. the amount of crime from natural-born U.S. residents. I suspect the same is true in Canada.
 
It's time all countries put a hold on immigration. Immigrants, the legitimate ones, going into any country should be vetted & documented. If they can't be verified, they don't enter. Anyone coming into our country illegally needs to be called what they are ... Illegal Aliens ... along the chance of staying here. They have no right to be called an Immigrant after breaking a federal law entering illegally.

In the article, it stated the murderer regretted his actions & asked for forgiveness from the families. He only regrets getting caught & possibly being deported during his prison term back to where he came from. There is no way I could ever forgive someone for murdering one of my children, ever.
 
Sunny said:
I wonder what the statistics are on immigration crime vs. home-grown. Of course, in any group from any corner of the world, there will always be a certain number of "creeps." But how many of the immigrants fit into that bracket?

I have read or heard very little about crime from immigrants vs. the amount of crime from natural-born U.S. residents. I suspect the same is true in Canada.
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You ask an interesting question & it would be interesting to see it. We do know there are a lot of criminals & gang members coming across our border that aren't caught. This includes people on the terror watch list entering the same way.

When illegals are preyed upon by other illegals, you can probably be guaranteed that crime will go unreported by them. When they are the victims, they won't call the police when something happens because they fear arrest for entering illegally. The only way law enforcement would know of such a crime, is if it was called in by a witness or it resulted in homicide.

I suspect this crime rate is higher than anyone thinks. The gang members & criminals entering know they can be safer by preying on their fellow illegals.

The only stats you will see of crimes involving immigrants/illegals are reported crimes. However, those will be skewed & inaccurate due to the illegal-on-illegal crimes going unreported.

Sadly, we have more than enough problems with our own & we don't need more arriving.
 
Packerjohn said:
You know that most immigrants are hard working and try hard to fit into their new society. However, with the large influx of new comers, there will always be those creeps that should never have been allowed into the country in the 1st place. Here is an example. There are many more. Often the young form gangs in large cities but often the media is silent on this fact.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66098691
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I talked to a taxi driver today. He is from India and wants to go back home. Why?

He says he needs 3 jobs just to get by here in Canada. He does nothing but work and work 7 days/week. He told me that here is no life. He was poorer in India but a lot happier. He claims he doesn't need all the junk for sale here in Canada.
 
Packerjohn said:
I talked to a taxi driver today. He is from India and wants to go back home. Why?

He says he needs 3 jobs just to get by here in Canada. He does nothing but work and work 7 days/week. He told me that here is no life. He was poorer in India but a lot happier. He claims he doesn't need all the junk for sale here in Canada.
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I've read that a lot of immigrants that came to the U.S. for education and employment end up returning to their homeland for better quality of life.
 
Nathan said:
I've read that a lot of immigrants that came to the U.S. for education and employment end up returning to their homeland for better quality of life.
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I think it's the same for many if not all 'western countries'. They aren't the beacons of hope for a better life that they once were.

Mind you; there's no way I'm moving to any of the countries most of these immigrants are coming from. I'm staying right here thank you!
 
How come every Cab Driver I meet tells me they are an Engineer, an Architect, or an Astronaut in their home country but their papers aren't valid in Canada so they are driving a Cab.
 
Packerjohn said:
I talked to a taxi driver today. He is from India and wants to go back home. Why?

He says he needs 3 jobs just to get by here in Canada. He does nothing but work and work 7 days/week. He told me that here is no life. He was poorer in India but a lot happier. He claims he doesn't need all the junk for sale here in Canada.
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The doors at Pearson International Airport swing BOTH WAYS, right John ? He is FREE to leave Canada, but he won't. Griping by Immigrants is a age old game. It was the same in the 50's when we welcomed hundreds of thousands of "displaced persons " from war torn Europe. Not ALL of them made it here, SOME went back home, again. Not everyone is ready OR able to
make it in Canada ". JimB.
 
Beezer said:
How come every Cab Driver I meet tells me they are an Engineer, an Architect, or an Astronaut in their home country but their papers aren't valid in Canada so they are driving a Cab.
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Same here Beez! I've had cab drivers who were physicians, cardiologists, etc. in Russia. Makes me wonder about their "qualifications!"
 
Beezer said:
How come every Cab Driver I meet tells me they are an Engineer, an Architect, or an Astronaut in their home country but their papers aren't valid in Canada so they are driving a Cab.
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The REAL problem is that they CANNOT read, write, or converse in ENGLISH, at a high school level of ability, so they end up on the low end of the job ladder. Indians gravitate to "clean hands jobs " like in the hotel industry, or the limo driver position. Wearing a suit and tie is like a badge of honor. JImB.
 
Packerjohn said:
I talked to a taxi driver today. He is from India and wants to go back home. Why?

He says he needs 3 jobs just to get by here in Canada. He does nothing but work and work 7 days/week. He told me that here is no life. He was poorer in India but a lot happier. He claims he doesn't need all the junk for sale here in Canada.
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maybe he means he can't afford it..rather than not need it...

Why doesn't he just return home ?.... It makes me laugh when immigrants say this.. my neighbour is a tenant .. and from Eastern Europe.. and he does nothing but complain about this country... he's been here 20 years.. he's had 3 children here who've had excellent education.. he has a good paying job.. he holidays back in Eastern Euope twice a year..... if it's so bad here... go home...
 
hollydolly said:
maybe he means he can't afford it..rather than not need it...

Why doesn't he just return home ?.... It makes me laugh when immigrants say this.. my neighbour is a tenant .. and from Eastern Europe.. and he does nothing but complain about this country... he's been here 20 years.. he's had 3 children here who've had excellent education.. he has a good paying job.. he holidays back in Eastern Euope twice a year..... if it's so bad here... go home...
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I agree. We have people who like to complain about the city I live in. To me the solution is simple. Why suffer? Get a U-Haul truck or whatever, pack up your junk and leave. So far, it's a free country and you can move anywhere from coast to coast.
 
I'll put my hand up here.

I have lived and worked in four countries. My home country (UK), the US (for 18 years), Australia (1 year) and Germany (3 years). This was all job related (not military).

Which is another way of saying - I have been an immigrant. I think I have a good handle on what it means to be one, the stresses, the difficulties, the challenges. When I went to Germany I spoke no German. When I went to the US I didn't understand the culture, and so on. It's tough. Very very tough. I was working, so had money, and even then it was very tough. The pressures are tremendous.

So when I think of an illegal immigrant who has been dis-planted through war, possibly by a war which my home country had a hand in, I have mixed feelings. No-one wants to import crime. But we must also welcome those in need. I can assure all Americans, anyone wanting to move to the US legally are vetted. Everything from health to wealth. You're not getting in without evidence of being able to care for yourself. Illegal is a different matter.

There's no excuse for crime, but understand these are desperate people in a desperate situation. If I had a culture shock as a Brit moving to the US, imagine what it must be like for a Syrian!!!
 
The large number of illegal migrants is destroying the European
systems of government, the open borders have allowed them to
go anywhere, within the EU Bloc of countries, though some have
reintroduced border controls.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eans-shifting-populist-Right-wing-groups.html

I realise that political debate is not allowed here and hope that you
all treat this as information, without any snide remarks, please.

Mike.


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Mike said:
The large number of illegal migrants is destroying the European
systems of government, the open borders have allowed them to
go anywhere, within the EU Bloc of countries, though some have
reintroduced border controls.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eans-shifting-populist-Right-wing-groups.html

I realise that political debate is not allowed here and hope that you
all treat this as information, without any snide remarks, please.

Mike.


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I'm curious to know how immigration is "destroying the European systems of government".

I think the issue is largely the rise of extremism. Far left and far right. We have history in Europe of the far right, and it ended in wars, so we're naturally concerned. But it is the acceptance of extremism, and hate, that is the greater danger.

There was a time where we could discuss, and accept, different points of view. But in the world of Social Media, everything is accelerated, and disagreement isn't acceptable. Everything is X10. What we need is moderation.

I could go on, but there's no way to do so without being political. I'll just say - capitalism is good for all. But only if there is sufficient regulation and a plan for the uplift of all. When it's simply based on making money, it tends to go to the few at the expense of the many. This is where we are at today. Capitalism is the excuse used for greed and avarice. Doing someone wrong has been validated, as long as you're making money from it. Empathy, sympathy, and fairness has been cast aside. So, the only way to get it back is regulation, laws. Greed cannot prevail. There is a tipping point where the have-nots rebel.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
To be flip about the situation- which is worse? Our homegrown creeps, or immigrant creeps? Why are our homegrown creeps holier than immigrant creeps?
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Immigrant creeps are worse IMHO because with homegrown creeps we at least share a culture. :unsure:
 
Beezer said:
How come every Cab Driver I meet tells me they are an Engineer, an Architect, or an Astronaut in their home country but their papers aren't valid in Canada so they are driving a Cab.
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Because it's true. When I co-owned a liquor-grocery store, I hired a guy who was a licensed dentist in his home country of Syria. He could speak and read English very well, but he'd have to go back to dental school to practice in the US. His license wasn't transferable because Syrian dental-school education is behind in technology.

That's probably true for a lot of origin-countries in various fields. For example; a guy who worked at a diamond mine using his bare hands and a straw basket isn't going to know how to use a dragline excavator and a crane lift.
 
Nathan said:
I've read that a lot of immigrants that came to the U.S. for education and employment end up returning to their homeland for better quality of life.
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The good life in the USA is in the movies like "Annie" featuring Daddy War Bucks. The movies like to feature homes with servants and long winding staircases. Unfortunately, the movies do not represent real life.
 
Packerjohn said:
The good life in the USA is in the movies like "Annie" featuring Daddy War Bucks. The movies like to feature homes with servants and long winding staircases. Unfortunately, the movies do not represent real life.
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Nooooo.... you can't spoil a person's dream like that... you're just a jealous Canadian... :sneaky::D
 

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