More people just don't want kids.

The fear of fewer replacement babies is almost exclusively centered around supporting long-lived elderly populations.

More babies won't solve - and indeed will exacerbate - these countries' severe housing shortages, pollution levels, increasing existing population displacement due to climate related destruction, youth unemployment rates, future employment challenges with increased robot use and AI, and more.

Countries REALLY needing more population can easily solve that problem by allowing more immigration.

Would like to see the data you're espousing regarding "fear of fewer replacement babies" and your claim that it's "centered around supporting long-lived elderly populations." Please enlighten me/us.

The "allowing more immigration" argument is simply ludicrous, especially in the USA, IMHO. I'll leave it there.
 

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Would like to see the data you're espousing regarding "fear of fewer replacement babies" and your claim that it's "centered around supporting long-lived elderly populations." Please enlighten me/us.
Gladly. This is typical of the reasons cited for countries starting to sweat low birth rates:

Key facts about China’s declining population

China has a rapidly aging population. According to Chinese state media, China is already approaching a “moderately aging” scenario, in which 20% of its population is ages 60 and older. By 2035, that percentage is expected to rise to 30%, or more than 400 million people.

A chart showing that by 2100, China may have more people outside the working-age population than inside it.
By 2100, China also appears poised to roughly double its “dependency ratio” – the proportion of its population that is outside working age (either ages 0 to 14 or ages 65 and older), compared with the proportion that is working age (15 to 64). This is even true in the UN’s “low variant” projection. In fact, based on the UN’s middle-of-the-road estimate, there will be more Chinese people outside the working-age population than in it – a dependency ratio of 101.1 – by the year 2079.

Impact of falling birth rates - Economics Help

Problems of falling birth rate​

Increased share of retired people. The most striking feature of a low birth rate is that it will create a rising share of people over 65, and an inverted population pyramid. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. In 2021, that is three-to-one. By 2035, there will be two working-age persons for every retired person (We Forum). This has profound implications for health care, government spending and tax revenues.

Pressure on government spending. With an ageing population, the government will need to spend more on pensions and health care (old people disproportionately use health care services and social care). At the same time, there will be fewer young people to pay income tax. It gives the government an unwelcome headache and may require higher taxes on a shrinking workforce. If there is strong economic growth and the population decline is mild, this ageing population will be manageable. However, there are concerns that the post-war rates of economic growth have slipped away and we are entering a period of secular stagnation – so we cannot rely on high growth

The costs of an ageing population will be offset to some extent by less spending on education for young people. But, the extra spending on health and social care will far outweigh the lower spending on education.

Less innovation. Young people are more likely to be entrepreneurs, innovators and take risks to develop new technologies and business. With less young people, the potential ‘brain pool’ will be less – giving relatively few ideas for improving living standards.
 
My Daughter never has wanted children. She's now 48 , she's not going to change her mind.. but it used to drive me mad when people would ask if I had grandchildren, when I said no.. they said ..without fail...'' awwww she'll change her mind''... I couldn't make people understand she had made a life choice.. her career and her dogs.. she was and is not interested in having children..
It's just no earthly business of anyone else. I wouldn't dream of commenting on anyone's choice especially about such a big decision.
Having children is certainly not the only purpose of being alive after all. By not having any, it frees a person to do so much else.
 

I never wanted children of my own, I felt I was not good parent material. That being said, I have a step daughter through my late hubby, and two pretty cool step grand kids.
I love kids, just never wanted them. My dr would not agree to tie my tubes because I may change my mind. Never did
If only others would think this carefully. Far too many people have far too many kids without much thought or planning. So many people are utterly unfit to be good parents. My parents shouldn't have even been together, let alone bring up a family to abject misery. My father resented our existence
 
I agree, it is strictly the choice of the woman and nobody's business but hers. I think people are getting wiser than they used to be, they consider everything before having a child, their circumstances, their finances, their stability.....but most of all, their desire to have a child. I think it's a good thing people are using birth control and other methods to avoid having unwanted children. Too many children these days being abused or neglected in their own homes by their parents, my heart goes out to all of them.
I would never had married my wife if she did not want children.
 
If only others would think this carefully. Far too many people have far too many kids without much thought or planning. So many people are utterly unfit to be good parents. My parents shouldn't have even been together, let alone bring up a family to abject misery. My father resented our existence

I hate to speak ill of my parents but ...... between them they were married 9 [nine] times. Six for my mother & three for my dad. I do not think either of them really wanted kids , but I will say my mother really did try to be a good parent. Tried to teach my 1/2 sister & I to be decent people. My dad was a visitation dad , [4-6 hours] on Sat. He never gave my mom a dime of support ...... [I still don't know how he pulled that off ?]

I guess my point is, they didn't lay very good ground work for being married & staying married [I divorced after 31/2 years] {that was 52 years ago} or wanting to be a parent . Or maybe I am just making excuses ??
 
2400 a month for day care. That’s what a young couple near me pay for full time daycare for one (1) child. It’s going up in January.

Fortunately, they have grandparents nearby who will take the children for one day a week, thus lowering the monthly cost to $2000 a month. Is it any wonder they only have one child? My advice to young people in my area is move to someplace where a descent starter home is under $500,000.
 
A significant problem for some potential parents is probably the high cost of a college education. Many aren‘t anxious to shell out a chunk of their retirement savings, even if they get a loan that of course has to be paid back. As an aside, I suspect that those readily available loans have substantially increased the cost of a college education.
 
Agree. If a woman or man don't want children it should be discussed openly and honestly. Now if either is incapable for one reason or another that's is a whole new ball of wax.

I agree too.

This sort of deal breaker should be discussed in advance - something both partners need to be on same page about.

If it were a physical incapability issue you would have the options of IVF, and co or fostering children - that is different to one of you not wanting any children at all.
 
There are lots of reasons but I think too many young adults want too much adult playtime. Yes financial worries/security don't help or motivate people to make that choice.
 
I think too many young adults do not even act like young adults, but instead carry-on like older children.
THIS. Some might even have intentions later in life but so many get wrapped up in their life they frequently taking it further in the wrong direction ie more playtime spending money that could've gone towards children on adult toys,
 
I think the subject of whether a couple want to have children or not falls in the category of 'none of my business'.

Amen. Especially when it comes to knee-jerk reactions about hos civilization is going to end. Some people CAN'T have children, are they any less for that?

Far too many parents act as though their breeding defines who they are. It's quite sad. Breeding takes little real effort, and most anybody can do it. It's not an achievement in terms of a lifetime. Given the state of the family unit in 2024, we ought to applaud those who choose to not have children. This is particularly true when it comes to the stigma they face.
 


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