More race riots in America
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At least one of the police officers has been suspended for being out of control.
He was pointing his weapon at people involved in the protest and threatened to kill them.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/20/us/missouri-police-officer-suspended/index.html
Another piece of video shows the police and protestors well separated from each other and the protestors are obeying orders to move off the road and one of the police is pointing his weapon at them and lighting them up with lazer beams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZl-Do1U0
He was pointing his weapon at people involved in the protest and threatened to kill them.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/20/us/missouri-police-officer-suspended/index.html
Another piece of video shows the police and protestors well separated from each other and the protestors are obeying orders to move off the road and one of the police is pointing his weapon at them and lighting them up with lazer beams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZl-Do1U0
ClassicRockr
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The way he came at the store clerk, in the video, sure would point towards that! I sure wouldn't want to get him "peeved" at me!
I hope incidents like this bring to light the hiring and training practices of many smaller town police departments in America.
I understand the local police feel stressed, can't stand the media and just want this over with. But being a member of a paramilitary organization they're should be discipline/restraint from the officers themselves and more control from their command structure. It seems like many of these neighboring out of town police officers brought in are being used and acting like contractors.
But police departments across America are already filled with adrenaline junkies, bullies, the righteous etc. Their leadership has allowed and even invited this type of police officer.
It starts at the hiring process. Like most government jobs a police officer position is given out by the politicians as or for political favors. They find ways to skirt around the civil service aspect of government hiring practices. In our county which is a reflection of many across America you need a politician's name as a reference on your application just be a secretary in an office let alone a cop. In years past our town has been caught hiring convicted criminals and applicants with a known violent past. Tests have had to be rescored. Applicants frequently complained about the two minute interview. Military veterans and college graduates have successfully sued to show their qualifications merited them getting the job over lesser qualified individuals. Veterans are frequently denied veterans preference in the testing/hiring process. The tests many small towns use can be scored the way the town wants-supposedly answers and patterns profile the applicant. I was told by politicians they usually are set the test to look for either a gung ho arrest them all or a real "low" key do as little possible individual. Keep in mind there are no right or wrong answers and this is for an applicant, not an academy graduate. There are stories of those who answered differently on the same question where one got hired and the other didn't. But that shows a lack of standards even with a state mandate of a police officer skill set.
Also just like corporate America many towns downsize and/or outsource with part-time or temporary officers which means many places are patrolled and staffed by guys that work as a cop less than half the year. They are frequently used to cover vacations or so called slow times. Some police I've talked to say if they hire one of these part-timers they have to be sent to a police academy again.
I think a lot these St Louis/Ferguson area police officers simply never dealt with or had any serious training for situations like this.
Luckily for us, we have young men and women who are prepared to do these Policing duties for us, to keep us safe............... they make mistakes, as we all do in life, let the law run its course to solve this, incidentally, on the early pages of this thread someone commented that the British Police were frightened to go in and stop the riots in Birmingham...... not true, the lads and lasses on the ground were furious that they had been ordered to stand back.........mealy mouthed senior officers and politicians ordered them to do so.
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BREAKING NEWS!!!!!There are more news media, photographer then there are demonstrators.
I heard a news reporter who was there on a radio talk show last night. She said that there were two news cameramen there for every one protestor, and said that she felt if the cameras left the scene so would the protestors. Another case where greedy media comes first over what's right for the people and the community.
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Interesting information, WhatInThe.
Because of our different development history we don't have any such thing as local police. We have state and federal police forces only so recruitment and training is much more centralised. The same applies to education and hospitals. This takes political patronage out of the equation.
Our police, unlike the British, are armed with pistols and they also carry tazers, which have been controversial at times.
Because of our different development history we don't have any such thing as local police. We have state and federal police forces only so recruitment and training is much more centralised. The same applies to education and hospitals. This takes political patronage out of the equation.
Our police, unlike the British, are armed with pistols and they also carry tazers, which have been controversial at times.
I wish federalization or jobs had less patronage in them but unfortunately not. To go to any of the major military academies you need a national politician's reference in which a daisy chain of favors start at the local level. Some deserve it, some get in simply because they had easy access to a politician and some will do anything and everything to obtain their goal. I don't know which is worse sometimes the politician who gives the favors or the people that seek them out.
Although federal law enforcement requirements eliminate a lot of applicants there tends to be enough that a "reference" from a politico will not hurt. The problem is the politicians have so much control over budgets and are already in a system based on favors & deals that the politicians reference has become a way of life/business as usual.
The politics does not stop at the hiring process. Many local politicians stick their nose in to promotions and non civil service test hires which affect the local departments. Not only to gain rank but to get on a something like a task force or get on a special squad like SWAT you frequently need at least a verbal reference from a politico. Special units and training can build an officer's resume and lead to overtime which is like gold in many departments.
Problems is the a "favor" frequently needs to be returned which could amount to cover ups and poor decisions which could include accepting budget cuts which could affect one's job.
BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 10:00 AM
The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown.
Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.
A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture. (AAPOS) This comes after St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter tweeted out last night that a dozen local witnesses confirmed Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson’s version of the Brown shooting story.
They said last night on the radio that the report about the 'orbital blowout' was false.
Davey Jones
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Thank Gawd....still trying to figure out what an "orbital blowout" is,first time Ive ever heard that one.
Thought something happened up in space with a satellite.
Very Interesting, SeaBreeze.....Thanks for sharing the latest.
Today Cnn is stating he had a swollen face with no serious injury. Yesterday the news stated that the media was leaving ferguson because of further evidence backing the police officer. Like others have mentioned, looks like it's best to wait until all the evidence is in.The media should get the heck out of there Misty, they made their headlines, promoted the violence with their presence, and they need to stay away. When reporters from all over are there, 2 to 1 ration to the protestors, you know there's a problem with the main stream media. All the reports of this incident, on both sides, appears to be very iffy, will be interesting to find out the whole truth of the matter.
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Very Interesting, SeaBreeze.....Thanks for sharing the latest.
My question to CNN & any other news source is... "What does it matter if the cop's facial bones were fractured or not?" If there is evidence that the officer was attacked & struck, that was enough for him to draw his pistol & order them to freeze. If Brown did, in fact, charge at the officer, that was reason to shoot.
Period.
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"That's pretty much what I see as well - opportunistic theft. Nothing to do with the central issue. This scenario has been played out many, many times here ... but as always the liberals will find excuses for it" (quote from Situ Phil)
SPOT ON !!!
... and have people here seen the photos of the "victim" robbing someone????
They were published in the paper a few days ago, might have not made to America.. too inflammatory???
SPOT ON !!!
... and have people here seen the photos of the "victim" robbing someone????
They were published in the paper a few days ago, might have not made to America.. too inflammatory???
Elyzabeth
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Sea breeze the media is not responsible for what is happening
The police are not responsible for what is happening..
The criminals who are doing the lootings and robberies are responsible for what is happening,
and only they, are responsible for it!!!
The police are not responsible for what is happening..
The criminals who are doing the lootings and robberies are responsible for what is happening,
and only they, are responsible for it!!!
So true, SeaBreeze...now that they are leaving, things are quieting down. Instead of just reporting the news, they try to promote news and put their own slant to the news.
I think the words "opportunistic theft" do a pretty good job of describing the situation.
Let not forget the media are not the only guilty ones.
You have state and federal politicians jumping in front of the spotlight as well as activist who are there to simply promote their name and personal gain.
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Sometimes. The indigenous population is ravaged by alcohol and there have been riots after someone has been thrown out of a pub. Ditto if an aborigine child is killed while being chased by the police (not necessarily the police at fault) and anger is whipped up in the community. The anger that is released is not necessarily directly relevant to the particular incident but something that has built up over years of slights and discrimination. Nothing on the scale of what we are seeing in Missouri though.
We sometimes have clashes between different ethnic groups. The so-called Cronulla riot was really just a brawl between Anglo and Lebanese youths over a perceived insult to some Anglo girls on the beach. It happened in two waves. First the Lebanese were attacked by the surfies, who are very territorial by the way, and the next day the Lebanese returned with reinforcements looking for revenge. They worked their way down the beach promenade smashing car windows but the police prevented serious bloodshed. It was very nasty and the worst part was one of our talk back parrots stirring up resentment against the Lebanese and encouraging the violence. Social media via mobile phones was a feature of this incident.
Earlier than this a group of Lebanese and Maoris boys declared war on the Vietnamese, again over a girl, and it looked like something out of West Side Story. Interestingly, the Vietnamese won the battle due to superior martial arts skills.
As race problems go, these are not terribly problematic because they aren't persistent. The Indigenous problem is persistent but improving over time. They still suffer discrimination but less than in past times.
Please don't think that racism doesn't exist in Australia. It does and it is ugly but it does not erupt into violence very often.
The thing is that these men..when they have been shot by the police, according to the black community..was an avid church goer..loved his mom..and frequently worked for charity...
But when you look them up on Facebook..they are standing there..usually holding a gun or knife..with a gang scarf on their heads!!
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