Naomi Judd's Suicide by Firearm

Alligatorob said:
I believe the first release I saw saying she died of mental illness was correct, and the best way to put it. The family has been impressively open about this, not an easy thing to do.

My brother committed suicide by firearm when he was in his 30s. I think it is one of the worst things a family can have to endure.

Exactly right, anyone contemplating suicide should think about the effect it will have on their loved ones. I know that is hard given the mental state of some of these people, but it will be the biggest and longest lasting impact of the suicide.

That is different, and I can understand it. In fact if and when that day comes for me I may do the same. Still have to consider the impact on the family though.
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ITA, she died of mental illness; the gun was simply the tool she chose.
 

Pepper said:
Why didn't she do it when she was alone in the house? Ashley had to be the one to discover her mother's body. What a horrible mess; Naomi must have been in hell of depression that her own daughter had to almost witness the event. This detail disturbs me more than the actual suicide, which of course, is incredibly sad.
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I think she was in a very dark place and just acted at the moment. I don't think she planned that she would take her life at that exact time. May she rest peacefully now, there was a lot of turmoil in her mind and she was not happy or at peace. My heart goes out to her daughters, heartbreaking. :(
 
I don't think they had a gun 'available' for her to use, it's likely that she could easily access a firearm and may have even had her own for protection. Many people say it is a quick and sure way to commit suicide, rather than taking pills or doing things that might not result in death. It has to be horrific to discover anyone who killed themselves like that, I can't even begin to imagine how her daughter felt and the nightmares that will haunt her the rest of her life. :(

Jules said:
Since her family knew she had emotional issues, I’m semi surprised her family had a gun available.
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Does the US have a clause in M.A.I.D. that allows someone with severe depression to end their life? It would be less painful than all the horror of other methods. I believe they are considering this here.
 
Nathan said:
I've heard this said thousands of times, and yea- it's true but I'd have to say that most of everyone's lives from birth is a selfish act.
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...just to clarify: I don't single out people who commit suicide to be "selfish", anymore than we all are basically selfish creatures...hope that made sense.
 
ohioboy said:
Concerning Naomi, no, it was not selfish. Not when mental illness drives a person to an intolerable level of insanity.
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I understand what you're saying here as I suffer from mental illness myself and am well aquainted with that razor's-edge loss of control. - I suppose I should amend that to meaning in the case of having any control at all, though that's a bit of a rabbit hole.
 
I feel so sorry for her daughters. How horrible it must've been for them. But I also feel sorry for Naomi. To be that depressed that she couldn't even hold out to be honored....!! I saw part of the interview on World News Tonight, but haven't watched the special the entire interview aired on. But from what I saw of it of Ashley looked so broken.
 
I was a psychiatric nurse. I school, they taught to ask the patient if he wanted to kill himself. I thought that was stupid. If I really wanted to kill myself, would I tell the one person, who could stop me? I remember the first time I got a "yes" for that question. I could hear the determination in his voice, when he said, "yes". I knew if I let him out of my sight, he'd be dead. Once the decision is made to end it, they will do it. Usually, you can intervene, and the suicidal ideation will pass. Having a handy gun around doesn't aid the situation.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I was a psychiatric nurse. I school, they taught to ask the patient if he wanted to kill himself. I thought that was stupid. If I really wanted to kill myself, would I tell the one person, who could stop me? I remember the first time I got a "yes" for that question. I could hear the determination in his voice, when he said, "yes". I knew if I let him out of my sight, he'd be dead. Once the decision is made to end it, they will do it. Usually, you can intervene, and the suicidal ideation will pass. Having a handy gun around doesn't aid the situation.
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Psychologists who treat people for depression ask people if they want to kill themselves. If you say yes, then they have to alert the authorities and you are hospitalized. This really defeats the purpose of treatment. My sister is on the razor's edge and she's not getting the treatment she needs because of this stupid law. There is a specific program that is supposed to help severely depressed people but Kaiser won't put her in the program until she has unsuccessfully attempted suicide.
 
Flaneuse said:
Psychologists who treat people for depression ask people if they want to kill themselves. If you say yes, then they have to alert the authorities and you are hospitalized. This really defeats the purpose of treatment.
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Never heard of such a thing, do you have a specific source, and I'm not talking about a legitimate Mental health hold.
 
ohioboy said:
Never heard of such a thing, do you have a specific source, and I'm not talking about a legitimate Mental health hold.
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It's called a "5150."
5150 is the number of the section of the Welfare and Institutions Code, which allows an adult who is experiencing a mental health crisis to be involuntarily detained for a 72- hour psychiatric hospitalization when evaluated to be a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled.

It also enables confiscation of any firearms in the home.
A person can call also call authorities & report someone else.
 
That is the mental health hold, but my point was, a simple statement to a doctor you may be or are suicidal is not enough to justify an involuntary commitment.
 
ohioboy said:
That is the mental health hold, but my point was, a simple statement to a doctor you may be or are suicidal is not enough to justify an involuntary commitment.
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The doctor may be required to report such a statement & that may result in a hold. Maybe laws are different in different states.
 
ohioboy said:
That is the mental health hold, but my point was, a simple statement to a doctor you may be or are suicidal is not enough to justify an involuntary commitment.
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It is in California, at the discretion of the provider.
 

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