National Guard Deployed To N.Y.C. Subways

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I mentioned in another thread that I would never ride a New York City subway again. I believe it was in response to @HoneyNut's (then) impending trip to New York and her possibly riding the subway. Every other day I see news about violent subway crimes. Most recently two conductors were attacked...one slashed across his neck. Blessedly, he is alright. Subway crime is up 46% in New York.

In addition to 750 National Guardsmen, 250 police officers will be patrolling the subway system. Wow...this story even made The Times Of India's news. I don't know if they are affiliated with The New York Times. Linking the Daily News article because it's easier to read.
Hochul sends 750 National Guard troops to NYC subways following spate of violence
 

I have road the subway system in NYC. When I was working in the ghetto in 1973, the train went about as far as it would go, and there was my stop. It was one of the most violent areas in the country at the time. I felt uneasy, especially late at night. Fortunately nothing untoward happened. I was wondering if I would have felt safer with military people with machine guns would have helped me feel safer. I really don't know. If they can find weapons by checking bags that would help. But the whole thing sounds like a bit of over reaction, and might send a message that "marshal law" might happen if things keep deteriorating.
 
I saw that this last weekend there were several "mass shootings". It seems like this is regular now. Maybe it IS getting to the point of needing the the National Guards presence in public to send the message of "order" in a time of "chaos". Immigration problems are happening all over the country also. Are things spinning out of control? Should we step in now, before it gets worse? Our troops are trained as peace keepers. Our streets/public is not very safe. Maybe I would feel better with armed security forces patrolling our public. Very weird to imagine that!
 
It's the mentally ill committing most of the crimes. When arrested, they are immediately released as there is no where to put them I'm more afraid of AccessARide than the subway. When my nearby station completes the elevator, it will be my main option. I only need to use one subway line; it is relatively safe.

I applaud Gov. Hochel for deploying the National Guard. I blame Bill deBlasio for his ridiculous policies. The City Council is full of it too.
 
When I used to travel on the NYC subway trains back in the 70's and 80's, I never really had any problems. But then again, I always stayed alert. If I was waiting for a train, and a band of rowdy teenagers were waiting for the same train, I would just wait after the train came and the band of ruffians got on, and just take the next train. You would here stories where a band of young hooligans would rob passengers on a train. One day there was a band of about 15 that boareded a train. I waited for the next one.
 
The National Guard is badly needed in Chicago. South and west sides. The mayor's will not do this ever. I think they are afraid of losing tourism business and are very liberal to the utmost. Talking about crime here means nothing to the government. I live in a small calm suburb
 
We used the subway system in NYC a lot when we were younger. Now that we are seniors, we do not feel safe using it. We used taxis the last time we were there.
It is not just reserve to NYC. As a senior, I would not venture myself to take the subway in Paris or Brussels either.
 
Pepper said:
It's the mentally ill committing most of the crimes. When arrested, they are immediately released as there is no where to put them I'm more afraid of AccessARide than the subway. When my nearby station completes the elevator, it will be my main option. I only need to use one subway line; it is relatively safe.

I applaud Gov. Hochel for deploying the National Guard. I blame Bill deBlasio for his ridiculous policies. The City Council is full of it too.
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Ultimately, I blame the richest among us. Tax the billionaires more to pay for housing and mental facilities where people can live safely. The billionaires will not even feel the tax - they will not feel it. They will cry and moan and weep and tell their social media followers they are in enormous pain from taxation, but they are big cry-babies.

The average 4-year-old has more courage than these billionaires. Tax them.
 
Mayor Eric Adams understands NYC's need for Rich People. I commend him for that. If Rich People left, it would be like Escape from NY. There is no NY without the wealthy, not one worth living in.
 
Tish said:
Oh my word, sounds like total Chaos.
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Yes that is the point. It's a battle in a political war. There will be many more skirmishes along the way, but NYC and New Yorker's will figure out a way as they always have.

NYT - "Shootings in the city are down 26 percent so far this year compared with last, with murder declining by 11 percent. Burglaries and robberies are also less frequent.

But the question of how bad crime actually is versus how bad it is perceived to be is complicated by the occurrence of rare but terrifying incidents, like the death of Michelle Go, who, in January last year, was pushed onto the subway tracks by a homeless man in Times Square at 9:30 on a Saturday morning.

These sensational moments, compounded by history and exposure — the notion that if some acts of violence are random they can randomly happen to you — turn the walls of reason porous and flood us with emotion. They are attenuated, to some extent, by Mr. Adams’s own rhetoric, which has often lacked the reassuring effects of clarity."
 
againstthegrain said:
Yes that is the point. It's a battle in a political war.
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I agree, there were 93 pedestrian deaths in NYC last year, a few dozen cyclist deaths, who knows how many traffic accident deaths, etc. But for some reason the news likes to emphasize subway deaths.

Quite awhile ago, so maybe not accurate now, I read that the most dangerous activity (statistically) that most of us do, is crossing the street.
 
I thought the military in the US couldn't perform law enforcement duties. I would ask why not just order in the state police and ask for other departments to allow their officers to come into NYC for overtime. Also these bag checks are basically dressed up stop and frisk which doesn't go over well in urban areas.

I hear and see alot of crime stories from NYC including less than 50 people account for over one thousand crimes or something? And mentally ill as mentioned up thread. Alot of legal pot possession apparently has created many unlicensed dealers selling some pretty strong stuff if not stolen from legal shops. And juveniles are as brazen and callous as ever Laws, criteria for arrest and prosecution change over time so one has to alway put statistics in context.

Right now I see a show for the subway riders. They already have photo op pictures circulating.
 
I heard about this. I'm really sorry it has become that bad.

It's been over 30 years since I rode BART (bay area rapid transit) in the San Francisco bay area. I'd have no idea how it is today but I'd probably skip it.
 
I hope the NY National Guard are NOT going to be issued ammunition. Remember Kent State ? The NG are NOT trained in law enforcement duties. They could be sent on patrol WITH NYPD officers, to patrol the subways in groups of ten. 750 is not a lot of bodies, in a city with 8 million people, is it ? Jimb.
 
The National Guard is a State Militia, not federal.


18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
 

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