No room at the hospital

Also... cancer treatment is, and should be, up to the individual and their oncologist. I have close friends who have undergone treatment and are cancer free. OTOH, just had an acquaintances mother-in-law pass from breast cancer. In May she was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer and told she had only months to live even with chemo and radiation. Her oncologist said the treatments would give her, maybe, a few more weeks of life. But, the quality of her life would be quite compromised by the treatments and the state of the cancer when diagnosed. She chose to have quality over quantity. I believe every person diagnosed with cancers needs to assess their condition, age, potential treatment adverse effects, family, etc., etc. No one person's situation is going to mirror another's exactly.
And your last statement is how people feel about the c-vaccines.. "No one person's situation is going to mirror anothers's exactly". ON POINT!!! Some people have been told not to take the vaccine due to various reasons. Sadly we do no hear of the people that are having horrible side effects.
 

They are also leaving due to being forced to choose between a job that they have done commendably daily all through this pandemic but that doesn't matter does it? Just getting vaccinated is all that matters. :rolleyes: S
Forced mandate is important because patients who don't have Covid can get it from a medical worker who is not vaccinated. I have cancer, and do everything possible to avoid getting Covid. It made me really angry to find out a nurse I saw frequently when I underwent radiation therapy was not vaccinated. In fact, almost 30,000 people employed by University of Pittsburgh Medical Center are not vaccinated. This is out of 93,000 employees.
 

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You may think you have the right to make others' health decisions for them. You are mistaken.
You have the right to program yourself; not others.
This is a serious public health issue, Win. The people who are not vaccinated are risking themselves, their families, their friends, and their communities.

My ex-husband is in terrible pain from having acquired Covid from someone at the nursing home where he was undergoing rehab. He was infected with Covid a week after he got out of quarantine. The home required him to be quarantined for two weeks because he thinks Covid is a hoax and/or God will protect him, and/or Covid is a minor illness, like a cold.

I begged him to just get vaccinated and explained how he is at higher risk because of his age (77), his diabetes, his being about 100 lbs overweight, and his being in a nursing home.

Just to make it clear, Win, so you don't leap to an erroneous conclusion, my ex is barely able to talk, and has had only one very brief conversation with one of his daughters in the last 10 days. All of his family (including me and my kids) have decided unanimously, without discussion, not to mention anything about him not having been vaccinated. We all love him, and dearly want him to recover without the complications of long Covid..
 
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I do wish you'd stop with the robot thing. Have you considered, Win, that you may be the programmed robot?
Nobody gets everything they want. People who repeat everything they hear are programmed robots.
This is a serious public health issue, Win. The people who are not vaccinated are risking themselves, their families, their friends, and their communities.

My ex-husband is in terrible pain from having acquired Covid from someone at the nursing home where he was undergoing rehab. He was infected with Covid a week after he got out of quarantine. The home required him to be quarantined for two weeks because he thinks Covid is a hoax and/or God will protect him, and/or Covid is a minor illness, like a cold.

I begged him to just get vaccinated and explained how he is at higher risk because of his age (77), his diabetes, his being about 100 lbs overweight, and his being in a nursing home.

Just to make it clear, Win, so you don't leap to an erroneous conclusion, my ex is barely able to talk, and has had only one very brief conversation with one of his daughters in the last 10 days. All of his family (including me and my kids) have decided unanimously, without discussion, not to mention anything about him not having been vaccinated. We all love him, and dearly want him to recover without the complications of long Covid..
1. I never said (or even thought) Covid is a hoax.

2. Many high-risk people who are elderly or have serious health issues can become quite ill & die from Covid, just as they can from the flu or other illness they are too weak to recover from.
Two days ago, I lost a friend who was only 66. He had other health issues & got a flu shot a few months ago on the advice of his doctor. After he was hospitalized, his doctor said, "No more shots for you - for ANYTHING."
Ever since, he's been in & out of the hospital with breathing problems - until he died.

3. People who are not vaccinated are not risking anyone - just as people who don't get a flu shot are not risking anyone. If you really thought a vaccine protected you, you would already know that. You have fallen prey to "Guilt Advertising," another form of Programming.
 
Forced mandate is important because patients who don't have Covid can get it from a medical worker who is not vaccinated. I have cancer, and do everything possible to avoid getting Covid. It made me really angry to find out a nurse I saw frequently when I underwent radiation therapy was not vaccinated. In fact, almost 30,000 people employed by University of Pittsburgh Medical Center are not vaccinated. This is out of 93,000 employees.
"Forced mandate is important because patients who don't have Covid can get it from a medical worker who is not vaccinated."

They can also get it from a vaccinated medical person who is asymptomatic.
 
Nobody gets everything they want. People who repeat everything they hear are programmed robots.

1. I never said (or even thought) Covid is a hoax.

2. Many high-risk people who are elderly or have serious health issues can become quite ill & die from Covid, just as they can from the flu or other illness they are too weak to recover from.
Two days ago, I lost a friend who was only 66. He had other health issues & got a flu shot a few months ago on the advice of his doctor. After he was hospitalized, his doctor said, "No more shots for you - for ANYTHING."
Ever since, he's been in & out of the hospital with breathing problems - until he died.

3. People who are not vaccinated are not risking anyone - just as people who don't get a flu shot are not risking anyone. If you really thought a vaccine protected you, you would already know that. You have fallen prey to "Guilt Advertising," another form of Programming.
Sorry to hear about your friend Win. I already know I AM NOT a candidate for C-vaccine, nor the flu vaccine. One size does not fit all.
 
Forced mandate is important because patients who don't have Covid can get it from a medical worker who is not vaccinated. I have cancer, and do everything possible to avoid getting Covid. It made me really angry to find out a nurse I saw frequently when I underwent radiation therapy was not vaccinated. In fact, almost 30,000 people employed by University of Pittsburgh Medical Center are not vaccinated. This is out of 93,000 employees.
Since you're vaccinated, and you believe the vaccine protects you, you shouldn't be concerned about the unvaccinated.
The fact that you are concerned shows you have no confidence in the vaccine.
Since that's the case, why are you trying so hard to sell others on a vaccine you have no confidence in, yourself?
 
Since you're vaccinated, and you believe the vaccine protects you, you shouldn't be concerned about the unvaccinated.
The fact that you are concerned shows you have no confidence in the vaccine.
Since that's the case, why are you trying so hard to sell others on a vaccine you have no confidence in, yourself?
Win, settle down please. We all know that some people are contracting the Delta variant, despite being vaccinated. I know two elderly people who have Covid now, despite being vaccinated. Thank goodness theirs are very mild cases.

I am concerned about the unvaccinated for the sake of all of our families, friends, and communities, along with myself of course. Unless a vaccine has eradicated a disease, I figure none of them are 100% anyway. My own chances of living if I decided to not care about the other people involved (family, friends, community) and to not be vaccinated, are near zero.

BTW, you are leaping to erroneous conclusions again. I have lots of confidence in myself. I am confident that I made the right decision in being vaccinated. So is my oncologist.
 
I agree 101%. They also have vaccinated people advocating for the vaccine... If I was able to take the vaccine - I wouldn't because its being pushed TOO HARD!!!!!! Make you think - W T$#$@#
Exactly! All that pushing, daily news articles, tv, promoting get the vaccine, stupid incentives, I don't recall any incentives to get the flu shot or any other vaccine. Oh wait, I just told a big fat lie! I remember when I was little our family Dr showing me a nice big sucker and telling me as soon as I got my shot that sucker was mine! 🤣

Now the vaccine mandate and even more are refusing to get it. Just to much push push and a whole lot of BS.
 
Win, settle down please. We all know that some people are contracting the Delta variant, despite being vaccinated. I know two elderly people who have Covid now, despite being vaccinated. Thank goodness theirs are very mild cases.

I am concerned about the unvaccinated for the sake of all of our families, friends, and communities, along with myself of course. Unless a vaccine has eradicated a disease, I figure none of them are 100% anyway. My own chances of living if I decided to not care about the other people involved (family, friends, community) and to not be vaccinated, are near zero.

BTW, you are leaping to erroneous conclusions again. I have lots of confidence in myself. I am confident that I made the right decision in being vaccinated. So is my oncologist.
Everything you said is truthful and reasonable. Some people have their minds set and won't listen to facts and logic, that's a big problem. If mandates get more people vaccinated, then that's the way to go right now. This is serious, no time to play games.
 
Win, settle down please. We all know that some people are contracting the Delta variant, despite being vaccinated. I know two elderly people who have Covid now, despite being vaccinated. Thank goodness theirs are very mild cases.

I am concerned about the unvaccinated for the sake of all of our families, friends, and communities, along with myself of course. Unless a vaccine has eradicated a disease, I figure none of them are 100% anyway. My own chances of living if I decided to not care about the other people involved (family, friends, community) and to not be vaccinated, are near zero.

BTW, you are leaping to erroneous conclusions again. I have lots of confidence in myself. I am confident that I made the right decision in being vaccinated. So is my oncologist.
"Settle down?" :ROFLMAO: Obviously, it's YOU who needs to settle down.
I'm happy you are confident you made the right decision to be vaccinated. I NEVER criticize anyone for their decision to be vaccinated.....UNLESS they insult others who don't make the same decision they made. That says a lot about the type of person they are AND how little confidence they have in the vaccine.
 
Nobody gets everything they want. People who repeat everything they hear are programmed robots.

1. I never said (or even thought) Covid is a hoax.

2. Many high-risk people who are elderly or have serious health issues can become quite ill & die from Covid, just as they can from the flu or other illness they are too weak to recover from.
Two days ago, I lost a friend who was only 66. He had other health issues & got a flu shot a few months ago on the advice of his doctor. After he was hospitalized, his doctor said, "No more shots for you - for ANYTHING."
Ever since, he's been in & out of the hospital with breathing problems - until he died.

3. People who are not vaccinated are not risking anyone - just as people who don't get a flu shot are not risking anyone. If you really thought a vaccine protected you, you would already know that. You have fallen prey to "Guilt Advertising," another form of Programming.
Win, I am sorry your friend died.

1. I never said that you thought Covid is a hoax. I didn't imply it either.

2. I have not fallen prey to anything except a rational mind.

3. I completely disagree with you on this point. Covid has already killed over 700,000 people in the US.
 
Win, I am sorry your friend died.

1. I never said that you thought Covid is a hoax. I didn't imply it either.

2. I have not fallen prey to anything except a rational mind.

3. I completely disagree with you on this point. Covid has already killed over 700,000 people in the US.
#3 - We're back to that Programming thing & believing everything we're told.
 
There is really no way to know how many have actually died of Covid. But we do know they are listing causes of death that had nothing to do with Covid. We also know that we can't expect much honesty when billions of dollars are at stake.
Okay, but that doesn't answer my question.
 
Okay, but that doesn't answer my question.
The British Medical Journal, Lancet, says:

In the first case series of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 from Wuhan, published on Jan 24, underlying comorbidities were reported in 50% of patients (diabetes [20%], hypertension [15%], and cardiovascular disease [15%]). Subsequently, data from 122ā€ˆ653 laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 cases reported to CDC in the USA between Feb 12 and March 28, showed that approximately one third of patients had at least one underlying condition or risk factor, of which diabetes was the most frequently reported (in 10.9% of cases). Moreover, 78% of intensive care unit (ICU) admissions and 94% of deaths (where complete information on underlying conditions or risk factors was available) occurred in those with at least one underlying health condition. More recently, the first report characterising glycaemic control among patients hospitalized with COVID-19 in the USA (1122 patients admitted to 88 US hospitals between March 1 and April 6) showed that approximately 40% had diabetes or uncontrolled hyperglycaemia on admission, and death rates were more than four times higher among those with diabetes or hyperglycaemia (28.8%) than those without either condition (6.2%). From the available evidence, diabetes (or more broadly poor glycaemic control) is clearly one of the most important comorbidities linked to COVID-19 severity and outcomes.
Coronavirus - Actual Risk of Death by Age from the CDC
So, it can be argued that the 94% of the people who had 2 or more underlying medical conditions would have been just fine, if they had not been exposed to Coronavirus. But of course, we don't know if these people would have live one day, one week, one month or one year longer if they had not contracted COVID.
On the other hand, it is also possible that many of these people were not long for this world regardless, and may have been done in by the flu, pneumonia or something else.
It is speculation either way. It's curious how the mass media will only accept the speculation that makes COVID appear worse... and none that downplays the risks. That's not science, that's politics...

If you think this is just EHSO being a Doubting Thomas, Florida Gov. went on Fox & Friends (mid September 2020) and complained that reports of his state's COVID-19 deaths were greatly exaggerated. He used as an example a person from Orlando who had died in a motorcycle crash. DeSantis said the death"was categorized as a COVID death just because the person had previously tested positive (for COVID). We've had other incidents in which there's no real relationship, and it's been counted. So, we want to look at that and see how pervasive that issue is as well."
In this one case, the local CBS affiliate followed up on this report : The medical examiner responded that, following the motorcycle crash, "the person was subsequently hospitalized for a long period of time, got pneumonia. It happened to be COVID pneumonia, and they died.... In that case, we did [attribute] it to COVID pneumonia."

And other cases reported that no tests for COVID were performed, the doctor or medical examined simply assigned the death to Coronavirus based on a "presumption". In other words, "I'm busy, call it COVID!"

There are many questions yet to be objectively answered:

  • What role and to what extent did the flu play in these reported coronavirus deaths?
  • Same for pneumonia and other diseases
  • How serious were the "2+ comorbidities" in the people who were reported dying from COVID?
  • What was the expected life expectancy of the people who were reported as dying from COVID, had they not had COVID?
  • Are there any incentives or motivations (monetary, political, etc( for hospitals, medical examiners, etc. to code a death as a COVID fatality?
Another example is Colorado
The Grand County, Colorado coroner Brenda Bock says of the 5 deaths attributed to COVID-19, 2 were actually people who died from gunshot wounds. We have found almost innumerable similar examples in other states, easily verified. Google it.

A premium paid to hospitals for calling a death "due to Coronavirus"?
While some states, like Minnesota and California, list only laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 diagnoses as COVID-19 deaths, other states, like New York, list all "presumed" cases, which is allowed under guidelines from Dr. Birx and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They do not require a lab test, coding deaths based on presumptions and suspicions.. Why? The coronavirus relief legislation created a 20% premium, or add-on, for COVID-19 Medicare patients.

Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minnesota, who is also a physician in Minnesota, said on Laura Ingraham Angle on April 8, 2020 that hospitals get paid more if Medicare patients are listed as having COVID-19 and get 3X times as much money if the patient needs a ventilator.

Dr. Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for - if they're Medicare - typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

Obviously, hospital administrators can pressure physicians to call deaths "probable" COVID-19, on discharge papers or death certificates to get the higher Medicare allocation allowed under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act.

Is this just a conspiracy theory?
Apparently not, even Snopes said it's plausible Medicare pays these fees, PolitiFact wrote, "The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information." and Ask FactCheck said "The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses."


Conclusion​

Are the deaths being exaggerated? Since we don't have all the facts and access to the raw data, we simply CANNOT yet know. Time will tell. But the evidence is mounting that the system creates plenty incentive for hospital administrators to inflate the COVID-19 fatalities. Ask yourself; based on your lifetime of experience, would YOU trust a hospital administrator to be truthful when he can profit from not?


http://www.ehso.com/Coronavirus-Exaggerated-Fatalities.php

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated
 
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Soon there will be ā€œno room at the innā€ no entry to hotels, restaurants, pubs, concerts, travel unless vaccinated.

So better paint your walls a nice color for you will be looking at them a lot !!!!
I hate traveling.
I have no use for hotels or Inns.
I rarely eat in restaurants (I've had enough food poisoning from restaurants, thank you) Even riskier now because they're cutting costs, taking food safety shortcuts, & hiring inexperienced staff.
Pubs? Bars? I have no use for them.
Last concert I attended was in 1972 - Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
 
94.7% of us seniors (65 and older) have at least one jab. That's approx 57 million of us. And for the younger folks, even the high school drop outs, who had the lowest vaccination rate, are finally getting vaxxed at a significant rate. Still behind the educated folks, but are slowly catching up. Soon, at some point getting the vaccination will be a part of every child's life. More and more companies are requiring vaccination as a condition of employment. And, since the unvaxxed are much more likely to require hospitalization and much more likely to die from covid, over time Mother Nature and Darwin will work this out.
 


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