Normal living' will come months after vaccine, Fauci says;

Kayelle said:
A big resounding NOPE from me too.


To the principal LIAR in all this coverup. .......You finally admitted to all the Lies on tape in your own spoken words....SHAME ON YOU....if I ever believe anything you say again...SHAME ON ME.
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A triple nope! :)
 
CarolfromTX said:
The ONLY reason so many people trust Dr. Fauci is because he seems to be in opposition to the president. I mean, he's a radiologist, not an epidemiologist. So....
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No, he's not a radiologist. He graduated first in his class from Cornell and has always worked in infectious diseases.
 

I think (not stating fact, but instead observation) that there are some things that will be forever changed as a result of the COVID-19 situation:

1. Possibly, more people will stock up on non-perishable items and those items that have a long shelf life, just as we typically do in climates where snow storms or hurricanes are a good possibility.
2. There might be more people routinely working from home, now that IT departments have adjusted for doing so in large numbers during the COVID-19 situation.
3. Students may have the option in many learning situations to school from home since those IT departments have had to adjust for the COVID-19 situation.
4. Online shipping has been fast-forwarded due to the COVID-19 situation so that it has become the norm for many more people.

Possible positive side effects of this could be:

1. Lower gas usage due to lower traffic, along with less environmental impact of combustion engines.
2. Less road stress and rage due to lower traffic volumes.
3. Home schooling may have many opportunities to socialize through taking classes online.
4. Many more people may have chances to take classes by doing so online. This was already well underway before COVID- 19, but may be accelerated because the various IT services have been seriously tested and brought up to speed to cope with the increased internet traffic during COVID-19.
5. With so much online shopping, we may see far fewer fisticuffs at Walmart and similar stores during Black Friday events.

In short, I think the COVID-19 situation has changed the way we will continue to do daily things in many ways, not all of which are negative and which probably won't be affected by whether a vaccine or other medical advancement is found for COVID-19. Many of these changes were already underway, but just accelerated by the introduction of COVID-19 measures.

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
I think (not stating fact, but instead observation) that there are some things that will be forever changed as a result of the COVID-19 situation:

1. Possibly, more people will stock up on non-perishable items and those items that have a long shelf life, just as we typically do in climates where snow storms or hurricanes are a good possibility.
2. There might be more people routinely working from home, now that IT departments have adjusted for doing so in large numbers during the COVID-19 situation.
3. Students may have the option in many learning situations to school from home since those IT departments have had to adjust for the COVID-19 situation.
4. Online shipping has been fast-forwarded due to the COVID-19 situation so that it has become the norm for many more people.

Possible positive side effects of this could be:

1. Lower gas usage due to lower traffic, along with less environmental impact of combustion engines.
2. Less road stress and rage due to lower traffic volumes.
3. Home schooling may have many opportunities to socialize through taking classes online.
4. Many more people may have chances to take classes by doing so online. This was already well underway before COVID- 19, but may be accelerated because the various IT services have been seriously tested and brought up to speed to cope with the increased internet traffic during COVID-19.
5. With so much online shopping, we may see far fewer fisticuffs at Walmart and similar stores during Black Friday events.

In short, I think the COVID-19 situation has changed the way we will continue to do daily things in many ways, not all of which are negative and which probably won't be affected by whether a vaccine or other medical advancement is found for COVID-19. Many of these changes were already underway, but just accelerated by the introduction of COVID-19 measures.

Tony
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What a concise and well thought out post Tony. You have certainly made many valid possible outcomes when this whole thing is said and done.
There was a time when I doubted anything good could ever come of this nightmare, but now you've given me lots to think about, and thank you.

Yes, I'll be thrilled when we are able to travel safely again and I can hug and smile with anyone I choose (what I've missed the most). I accept the fact that some things will never be the same post-Covid, but that this life that we know now, may turn out to be better in some ways than pre-Covid.

Hope is everything.
 
Kayelle said:
What a concise and well thought out post Tony. You have certainly made many valid possible outcomes when this whole thing is said and done.
There was a time when I doubted anything good could ever come of this nightmare, but now you've given me lots to think about, and thank you.

Yes, I'll be thrilled when we are able to travel safely again and I can hug and smile with anyone I choose (what I've missed the most). I accept the fact that some things will never be the same post-Covid, but that this life that we know now, may turn out to be better in some ways than pre-Covid.

Hope is everything.
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Thank you Kayelle! After reading so much about the problems caused by the COVID-19 situation, I figured there had to be a silver lining somewhere. :)

Tony
 
CarolfromTX said:
Overstating it a bit, don't you think? And Nathan said to "get comfortable" with it. To me, that's giving up. And giving in.
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@"CarolfromTX, Talk about overstating, you misconstrued what I said, give it an entirely different meaning, and trudged off like you had good sense.

People: All I'm saying is don't foolishly wish for the past that you may not be able to re-visit, just be real and move on, don't cry over spilled milk.
 
"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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If you ever wondered just how quickly and easily the government could control you, just take a look around. Many of you are scared out of your minds. I go about my business and will abandon masks just as quickly as possible. I didn't wear one until I had to. I have stopped doing nothing. If I can go there, I go. I would not be at all surprised to learn I've already had it. Everyone in my family is considered essential and we all go to work and have since it started. My daughter, in a lab at U of M. My wife, school librarian and caregiver to our grandkids. My daughter, a nurse in the women's prison system. My SIL a shipping store assistant manager dealing with customers, and has Type I diabetes. If I die from it, I die from it. I consider in no greater risk than any other virus.

Consider if you will, that the CDC's recent release of death rates shows that 6% of the total deaths reported died from COVID alone. That means about 10,000 total. The average death had 2.6 comorbidities. Read that again: The average person who died and tested positive with COVID had over 2 other things wrong with them. There is even a listing of over 5,000 people who died from "intentional and unintentional poisoning and other accidents." All listed under COVID deaths. Really?

Fauci:

"Don't wear masks, they don't do any good."
"Wearing masks protects you."
"Wearing masks isn't that effective, but it helps us feel solidarity, like we're in it together."
"Wearing masks protects others."

Which is it? Fauci hasn't been in medicine for over 4 decades. He has been on the government dole in an administrative position. There are many experts who remain active in the field that disagree with him.

Nah, I'm out. I am not buying the hype. Now, does that mean I think it's a farce? Not at all. There are some people who should take precautions, just like any other virus. There are others who need to take care of those people. These people need to use caution. Wear masks, sanitize, be careful. They should be doing whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves. But I do not need the government to protect me, thanks. I am a capable, responsible adult. I can handle it myself.
 
I'mnotdeadyet said:
If you ever wondered just how quickly and easily the government could control you, just take a look around. Many of you are scared out of your minds. I go about my business and will abandon masks just as quickly as possible. I didn't wear one until I had to. I have stopped doing nothing. If I can go there, I go. I would not be at all surprised to learn I've already had it. Everyone in my family is considered essential and we all go to work and have since it started. My daughter, in a lab at U of M. My wife, school librarian and caregiver to our grandkids. My daughter, a nurse in the women's prison system. My SIL a shipping store assistant manager dealing with customers, and has Type I diabetes. If I die from it, I die from it. I consider in no greater risk than any other virus.

Consider if you will, that the CDC's recent release of death rates shows that 6% of the total deaths reported died from COVID alone. That means about 10,000 total. The average death had 2.6 comorbidities. Read that again: The average person who died and tested positive with COVID had over 2 other things wrong with them. There is even a listing of over 5,000 people who died from "intentional and unintentional poisoning and other accidents." All listed under COVID deaths. Really?

Fauci:

"Don't wear masks, they don't do any good."
"Wearing masks protects you."
"Wearing masks isn't that effective, but it helps us feel solidarity, like we're in it together."
"Wearing masks protects others."

Which is it? Fauci hasn't been in medicine for over 4 decades. He has been on the government dole in an administrative position. There are many experts who remain active in the field that disagree with him.

Nah, I'm out. I am not buying the hype. Now, does that mean I think it's a farce? Not at all. There are some people who should take precautions, just like any other virus. There are others who need to take care of those people. These people need to use caution. Wear masks, sanitize, be careful. They should be doing whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves. But I do not need the government to protect me, thanks. I am a capable, responsible adult. I can handle it myself.
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Right up there with ya. I also have stopped going nowhere - unless it's closed. I only wear a mask while shopping - because I have to, not because it "protects" me. I visit all my friends & they visit me - some are in their mid '80's. I also have diabetes & am over 60. So do all the people in my diabetes support group meetings - age 70-83, along with other health issues that go with aging.

Anyone who thinks differently, is more frightened, is entitled to be as cautious or restrictive as they want; I don't have a problem with them.
BUT, when they spout off about how I'm "Putting others at risk," I'll laugh, just as I laugh when I hear some idiot say, "I should get a flu shot to protect others."
 
I doubt any thinking person's life will go back the way it was B.C. (Before Covid)
We can speculate all we want and someone will eventually produce a vaccine
We know so much about Covid19....except the real kicker....how do we stop it?
This reminds me of how thing were when the AIDS epidemic was at it's height
10 questions and only 9 answers
 
I have to say that I have changed little during the pandemic, so far anyway. I do wear a face shield and gloves when out running errands. I hate crowds and avoid them anyway, shopping is done at several different times ...again to avoid crowds.
I keep an eye / ear to some of the news and take care of my business. Most of the people around here keep their distance etc. I have noticed that there are cottagers up here still and many are planning to stay through a winter up here. Many are not insulated , no winter water etc. They all have been very peaceful, quiet ...at least on this lake.
I am hoping they have the sense to leave before it is too late.
"Keep calm and carry on" Winston Churchill said... It works. Thanks Kayelle
 
peramangkelder said:
I doubt any thinking person's life will go back the way it was B.C. (Before Covid)
We can speculate all we want and someone will eventually produce a vaccine
We know so much about Covid19....except the real kicker....how do we stop it?
This reminds me of how thing were when the AIDS epidemic was at it's height
10 questions and only 9 answers
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The last actual pandemic in this country was with the Spanish flu in 1918 where thousand died like flies, and very quickly. Read about it. I was a late in life baby, and my Mom was 10 yrs old in 1918. When I was a child, she told me many stories about the deaths within her family then, and they've been burned into my memory all my life.
This is now the second recent world pandemic and she must be horrified that I'm seeing her nightmare yet again.
 
win231 said:
Right up there with ya. I also have stopped going nowhere - unless it's closed. I only wear a mask while shopping - because I have to, not because it "protects" me. I visit all my friends & they visit me - some are in their mid '80's. I also have diabetes & am over 60. So do all the people in my diabetes support group meetings - age 70-83, along with other health issues that go with aging.

Anyone who thinks differently, is more frightened, is entitled to be as cautious or restrictive as they want; I don't have a problem with them.
BUT, when they spout off about how I'm "Putting others at risk," I'll laugh, just as I laugh when I hear some idiot say, "I should get a flu shot to protect others."
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I'm largely with you so far as this pandemic goes but I can accept taking a vaccine, when one becomes available to protect against Covid 19, and of course you do need a fairly high up take of any vaccine to ensure the virus or whatever infectious agent cant circulate easily in the population.

I'm no where near as sceptical about vaccines as so many on the forum appear to be, though would want to know a new vaccine was as safe as those licencing believe it to be, (does that sound convoluted thinking or just naive, if it does so be it?).
 
AnnieA said:
I knew on January 24th that the world was about to get slammed because highly contagious respiratory viruses plus commercial airline speeds of 460 – 575 miles per hour do not add up to anything other than a pandemic. Either a) I'm smarter than Fauci, or b) he's a liar. I'm pretty sure "a)" is the wrong answer...

24 January 2020

Chinese New Years Events Cancelled

All major Chinese New Year events have been canceled in Beijing from Thursday, along with all other large-scale activities, including temple fairs, in a bid to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Several major tourist attractions and public venues have also been temporarily closed, the city's tourism bureau reports.​

This was within 24 hours of learning of the Wuhan lockdown.

17 February 2020

Fauci tells USA Today's editorial board: Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will be testing for the coronavirus in people in five major cities who show up at clinics with flu-like symptoms but who test negative for the seasonal varieties.​
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If that testing shows the virus has slipped into the country in places federal officials don't know about, "we've got a problem," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told USA TODAY's Editorial Board Monday.​
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Short of that, Fauci says skip the masks unless you are contagious, don't worry about catching anything from Chinese products and certainly don't avoid Chinese people or restaurants.​
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Fauci doesn't want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is "just minuscule." But he does want them to take precautions against the "influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave."​

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Fact is, Fauci has been spoon-feeding bald faced lies from the start.

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I disagree strongly with your assertions about Dr. Fauci.
 
Here's a summary of Dr. Fauci's professional qualifications:

Anthony Stephen Fauci ( /ˈfaʊtʃi/; born December 24, 1940) is an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984. Since January 2020, he has been one of the lead members of the Trump administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force addressing the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States. Fauci is one of the world's leading experts on infectious diseases, and during the early stages of the pandemic The New Yorker and The New York Times described Fauci as one of the most trusted medical figures in the United States.[1][2][3][4]

As a physician with the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Fauci has served American public health in various capacities for more than 50 years, and has been an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan.[3] He has made contributions to HIV/AIDS research and other immunodeficiency diseases, both as a scientist and as the head of the NIAID at the NIH.[5] From 1983 to 2002, Fauci was one of the world's most frequently-cited scientists across all scientific journals.[5]

Carol, where did you get that idea that he is a radiologist?

And for those who seem to be claiming that they are smarter and know more about this than Dr. Fauci, what are your professional qualifications?
 
Sunny said:
Here's a summary of Dr. Fauci's professional qualifications:

Anthony Stephen Fauci ( /ˈfaʊtʃi/; born December 24, 1940) is an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984. Since January 2020, he has been one of the lead members of the Trump administration's White House Coronavirus Task Force addressing the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States. Fauci is one of the world's leading experts on infectious diseases, and during the early stages of the pandemic The New Yorker and The New York Times described Fauci as one of the most trusted medical figures in the United States.[1][2][3][4]

As a physician with the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Fauci has served American public health in various capacities for more than 50 years, and has been an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan.[3] He has made contributions to HIV/AIDS research and other immunodeficiency diseases, both as a scientist and as the head of the NIAID at the NIH.[5] From 1983 to 2002, Fauci was one of the world's most frequently-cited scientists across all scientific journals.[5]

Carol, where did you get that idea that he is a radiologist?

And for those who seem to be claiming that they are smarter and know more about this than Dr. Fauci, what are your professional qualifications?
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"Professional Qualifications" do not mean someone is never wrong, always tells the truth & knows everything.

Here are another doctor's professional qualifications who killed his patient. (see if they impress you):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Murray
In 1973, Murray moved to Houston, Texas, where his father worked, to attend Texas Southern University, and graduated Magna cum laude with a degree in pre-med and biological sciences. Murray continued his education at Meharry Medical College, in Nashville, Tennessee, the same school his father attended, and the first school in the South for African Americans.[citation needed] He began his internal medicine residency at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. Murray completed it at the Loma Linda University Medical Center in California. He then completed a cardiology fellowship at the University of Arizona.[1]
Murray worked at the Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego as an associate director of its cardiology fellowship training program. In 1990, he opened a private practice in Las Vegas. In 2006, he founded the Acres Homes Heart and Vascular Institute in Houston. Murray met Michael Jackson in 2006, in Las Vegas, and treated his daughter Paris when she fell ill. Jackson hired Murray to be his exclusive personal physician prior to his tour in July 2009.[1] Jackson insisted that Murray be employed by his show promoter, AEG Live, for $150,000 monthly.

Another doctor with "Professional Qualifications:" (serving 45 years in prison)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farid_Fata
Fata was born in Lebanon in 1965, to a Melkite Catholic family. After obtaining a medical degree there in 1992, he emigrated to the United States to begin his medical career. He served a residency at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn from 1993 to 1996. From 1996 to 1999, he was a fellow in hematology-oncology at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan. He was an attending physician at Geisinger Medical Center in Danville, Pennsylvania from 2000 to 2003.
He struck out on his own in 2003, opening Michigan Hematology-Oncology (MHO) in Rochester Hills, Michigan. Over the next decade, it grew to seven locations throughout Metro Detroit—in Rochester Hills, Bloomfield Hills, Clarkston, Sterling Heights, Troy, Lapeer and Oak Park.[4] He became a naturalized U.S. citizen in April 2009.[5]
Fata specialized in treating blood cancer. He owned his own lab, pharmacy and radiation treatment facility. At his height, he was treating 17,000 patients at his clinics. He acquired a sterling reputation as one of the best cancer specialists in Metro Detroit. He was known for his aggressive approach, which gave higher doses of chemo drugs more frequently—a protocol he called "European protocol".[1]
Fata's wife, Samar, helped run the business side of his practice as Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer of his companies.[6] She moved back to Lebanon after her husband's arrest; they have since divorced.[1]
 

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