Yes! Nice to see someone here has taken the time to educate themselves about gender identity and have understanding and compassion. Good for you, fuzzybuddy!
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Thank you, but when you work in a psych. hospital.........
Not really. I was just answering a question about why god is referred to as "he."
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But then there's the public perception side...
I agree that any given individual may have an "identity mismatch" so far as being comfortable with their *******ia. This is entirely understandable, but it's only half of the issue, the other half is that the remainer of the public also sees this person, and by long engrained visual cues identifies them as male or female. Since there is no real biological concept of reproductive "heat" in humans, sexual identity has been mostly visual since we started walking upright.
So this is basically hardwired into *everyone else*. Even dysphoric individuals--those who do not feel in concert with their sexual organs--recognize others they see using these same ingrained observations. Without the ability to make this reproductive judgement humanity would be largely unable to reproduce enough to avoid extinction.
So it's how an individual appears, which is at least half of the equation, and if a male individual who is uncomfortable with his reproductive organs wants to portray himself as female, but sufficient visual signals send "male" to most casual observers, they're still going to tend to call him "he".
A good example is the seniors' favorite TV show (I'm kidding, maybe), Jeopardy. A recent longtime champ, Amy Schneider, is a man who is more comfortable as a woman. She seems like a nice person, likable, but within two shows I was telling my wife that "Hey. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a guy. Sure looks that way to me."
But I found I was willing to call him a her, and wondered why that was. It came to this.
Amy Schneider seemed likable and sincere and upbeat enough that it would be a cruelty to insist on calling her "him". It was clear enough to me at least that she was male, and she was not snarkily trying to force me to accept her self-identity (not on TV, anyway) so out of a sense of pity, essentially, calling a him a "her" in this case felt about right.
I viewed it as similar to listening to a little kid talking about a pet dog that you know for a fact was run over by a truck, referring to the dog as having "run away". It's not in me to force a reality check in those kinds of situations.
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The same reason Gaia is a she, right?
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Like too many things nowadays, (and feeding off your analogy), things are becoming, (in so many areas), tail wagging the dog scenarios.
Oops....seems Aretha Franklin is a target now....
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Evidently, the Greeks weren't misogynistic when inventing their gods. Good for them!
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The Hebrews were, however...right?Evidently, the Greeks weren't misogynistic when inventing their gods. Good for them!
I'm aware that the Hebrews viewed god as being both male and female...or having both female and male attributes...but the deity is always referred to as male. Talk about gender confusion. LOL
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Can you point us to a source that indicates that the Hebrews thought of Yahweh as both male and female in any sense?
I'd like to take your word for it, but...
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You know, though, I probably got this wrong.
Man and a Woman was a very idealized and romantic film set in modern France.
Alfie was about a sort of cockney ne'er do well.
They weren't particularly graphic even in those days, and the ratings were different then. It may have been "M" for mature audiences.
They were pretty mainstream, really, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had AA nominations.
Of course, now I have to go check...
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but movie ratings didn't start til 1968..You know, though, I probably got this wrong.
Man and a Woman was a very idealized and romantic film set in modern France.
Alfie was about a sort of cockney ne'er do well.
They weren't particularly graphic even in those days, and the ratings were different then. It may have been "M" for mature audiences.
They were pretty mainstream, really, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had AA nominations.
Of course, now I have to go check...
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Ah, yes.
I found that, too.
Note "properly translated and interpreted"...
But hey, it's a free market of ideas, huh?
Next test would be to go to your local mainstream synagogue and try it out.
It appears these people haven't read the Bible, or if they have, they're cherry-picking it as many Christians do. I guess they've skipped over the parts where women are stoned to death for committing adultery (men aren't), are forced to marry their rapists, aren't allowed to speak when in temples
It appears these people are cherry-picking the Bible, which is common among Christians. They're conveniently ignoring the parts in which woman are stoned to death for committing adultery (men aren't), are forced to marry their rapists, are not allowed to speak in temples/churches, and the list goes on. "Properly translated and interpreted?" Not sure how one could possibly misinterpret the misogyny that is rife within the Bible.
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Cripes, Cat. That screen capture was from *your* link to CBE International. It's under the "About Us" menu selection. "Our Mission and Values":
https://www.cbeinternational.org/primary_page/about-cbe/
Let's call it quits right now. We're even as far as I'm concerned.
I know what it says in the "About Us" section. I didn't say I agreed with it. The first link I posted was about "feminine imagery of god in the Hebrew Bible," which was the topic of our discussion. It's all nonsense anyway, so yeah...calling it quits is a good idea.
Seems cherries are in season
This one's rather ripe for the picking;
Leviticus 20:10 KJV
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
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If they put adulterers to death now, the streets would be littered with bodies - mostly of celebrities, doctors & cops.
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Yes, "we all" know your opinion.. are you planning on filling up the entire board with your anti-cop snide remarks?If they put adulterers to death now, the streets would be littered with bodies - mostly of celebrities, doctors & cops.
You forgot politicians
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Call me "toothbrush" and you ain't gonna see the sunrise tomorrow duh!Does it matter? I'll call someone Toothbrush if that's what they prefer
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The media is making people mentally sick! Common sense is gone. Don't believe me? The USA has had 7 mass shooting just this month and the month isn't over yet!
You worry about pronouns? Canadians worry about which one of the 73 genders they might be. Crazies are on the media demanding that special toilets be built for them as they are not "comfortable" entering bathrooms with signs "men/women." Go figure!
You worry about pronouns? Canadians worry about which one of the 73 genders they might be. Crazies are on the media demanding that special toilets be built for them as they are not "comfortable" entering bathrooms with signs "men/women." Go figure!
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I would probably say something like, “pronouns as a form of identity now seem so old fashioned to me, and I have personally moved on to using adjectives…” That’s progress for you.
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