Not that anyone is asking

Keep banging on the door until it opens.

The poor child. I wonder why his grandmother hasn't been more active with this child's plight.
Tara won't let the grandma (her mom) see the kids very often. She's not allowed at their house and they only visit her on major holidays.

The house they live in is owned by Collin's paternal grandfather. He's renting it to them; his son and Tara. So if Collin's father kicks Tara out, she pretty much has to leave.
 

I feel bad for the poor kid to live under such stressful conditions at the ripe old age of 2.

Is there a financial incentive for Tara to keep Collin in her custody?
Yes, there is. Cash, food stamps, and free medical. The father works but Tara probably told the welfare office that he doesn't live with her, so her benefits probably aren't effected by his income.
 
It was on Sunday that Collin told me he doesn't love his mom and that she's mean to him. She picked him up a few hours after he told me that, and it wasn't til after they left that I remembered him telling me a long story when he first got here on Friday. I didn't understand a word of it. His speech is horrible, sounds a lot like baby babble except you can tell he's actually trying to say something. You know he knows what he's saying.

I realized he was telling me about Tara, what she does to him. He was probably telling me she yells in his face that he's a bad boy, and drags him to his room and slams the door. It kills me that I didn't understand what he was saying, but thinking back, it was probably this. And I smiled. I freaking smiled. He looked so puzzled.

God, this is killing me.
 

Now that you’ve had your shots, do you think the Welfare people would let you come over and talk to them directly. Phone conversations are never as good.
 
You can't react to what you're not sure you understood. My grandson will be three end of May and that's how he talks, too. Ask very simple questions.
What kills me is what might be (or probably is) going through his mind. He told the teacher, he told me, he told my cousin when we went to visit her, and it didn't change anything. It didn't even make us mad. "We" sent him home.

All those times people say "this person fell through the cracks" or "the system let this person down"...I'm hearing that.
 
Now that you’ve had your shots, do you think the Welfare people would let you come over and talk to them directly. Phone conversations are never as good.
Murr, Do Absolutely Nothing at this time.
Ok so I got a call from CPS in the county where Tara and the kids live (with their dad). She started out saying "We're calling to ask if you have any concerns before we close this case." Well, Tara told me months ago that they already closed the case. And she stopped going to couples counseling and family counseling and taking Collin to speech therapy, so I believe Tara. But whatever, I told the CPS worker "Yes, I have concerns" and I told her what they were, including that both parents are drinking again. She asked me if I saw that with my own eyes, and I said yes, and I told her they drove home afterward with kids in the car, and it's about a 50 mile drive.

When I told her what Collin said, the CPS lady said "Well, he's a little kid. They say things that aren't necessarily true." Way to advocate, lady! He's not even 3 yet. He doesn't know how to lie yet. He's learning, though...from his mother.

Anyway I told her all my concerns. The rest is up to them. I'm not expecting much; the bar is set pretty low.
 
You can't react to what you're not sure you understood. My grandson will be three end of May and that's how he talks, too. Ask very simple questions.
Next time she brings him, I will. And I won't wait for him to open up to me because that didn't work for him last time. I'm just gonna ask stuff like Is mom being nice now? and Are you happy with mom? - stuff like that. And then let him talk.
 
I was once (twice, actually) a Woman

About a dozen years ago I had to use a walker to get around and my sister and kids came over whenever they could to help me out with everything. Mostly, my sister. I’d had 3 major back surgeries by then, living on unemployment and my dream house savings account. My friends had disappeared one by one, and I’d given up on socializing and dating.

I had a lot to be thankful for. The surgeries were helping and I had a really good physical therapist. I was gradually getting better, but the accident totally changed the trajectory of my life. I hated having to take my medications, there was nothing on my calendar but medical appointments, and time just seemed to be standing still.

Anyway, there I was in my mid-fifties, feeling way older, in constant pain, losing my hair. Anesthesia can do that, they said. Could be. I’m the only baldie in my family. Oddly, I did sprout hair on my back, with a very distinct part down the middle (surgical scar). I couldn’t scuba dive anymore, or go hiking or play sports or even ride a bicycle. I needed help with just about everything and I couldn’t drive very far. So, yeah, I was freaking depressed, and even though my kids and grandkids visited a lot and my sister came and helped every day, I was really lonely and depressed and absolutely out of my mind with boredom.

My sister suggested social media. I joined several social sites and a few Yahoo groups. That got confusing because one of the residual effects of the injury to my head is that I have a hard time remembering certain things. Names especially, and evidently, passwords fall under that category. So eventually I whittled it down to Facebook, one Yahoo group, and 2 social sites.

On one of those, I met a woman I’ll call Dee, and after a couple weeks we started emailing. The emails were funny and got pretty flirty, too, but it still sort of came out of left field when she sent me a photo of, let’s say, “all the cleavage”. Well, you don’t have to be depressed and in a crippling mid-life crisis with hair suddenly growing on your back to find that interesting, but it did make it particularly interesting. For several months I willfully and quite enthusiastically enjoyed online shenanigans with Dee until it came to light that she was married. And so I ended it.

I ended it, but she didn’t. Not because I was all that and a bag’o chips – she knew my situation – but she wanted me to help her leave her husband. She wanted me to hire an attorney for her, buy her a plane ticket and let her move in with me. Her and her husband had major problems now, she said, and it was all my fault.

Sure, you could say I was unknowingly complicit, but I told her they had a major problem before I stumbled in. In a nutshell, I told her she was on her own, and that pissed her off.

She knew what social sites I was on, and about my Facebook and the Yahoo group, and she flooded all of them with a cherry-picked series of our emails and …sigh… photos of me. Very ~private~ photos. She also knew where I worked, so she found my employer’s email and sent him a bunch of that stuff too.

I got banned from both social sites, left the Yahoo group, and deleted my Facebook account. My employer said he wouldn’t hold my job open for me anymore. Oh man, and the lectures I got from my mom and my aunts…whoo-wee-boy! Worst of all, my daughter stopped speaking to me. For years.

I don’t know how but over the next few years or so it seemed like Dee could find me just about everywhere I went online, and she harassed me and my online friends relentlessly. I got super paranoid about the internet, especially social media, and I got rid of my computer. Dee’s wrath was worse than my accident, seriously.

In 2017, after a 4th surgery, I was back to using a walker. I'd had to quit working and move from my 3-br house into this little 1-br apartment. I was fed up with the pain, man. I was more depressed and lonelier than ever, thinking about just ending it all with a bottle of morphine. My sister brought me a PC and talked me into trying social media again. It had been good for me when it wasn’t life-ruining. Filled the hours, took my mind off the pain, helped me stop feeling sorry for myself. And I enjoy writing (wasn't much else I could do, actually).

So, I joined 2 social sites, but as a woman. I wasn’t taking any chances; left-over paranoia. And I’m not positive but I think Senior Forums was one of the 2. My sister and a neighbor lady helped write some of the posts because I was like, “Oops, I can’t say that, she’ll know it’s me!”, so I wound up a composite of myself and them. (It was kind of fun, actually.)

Anyway, my sister swears that Senior Forums was one of the two sites where I was a woman. So, shall we say my feminine side might be on here somewhere, in old posts. I can’t confirm that because I don’t remember what name I used, and neither does my sister, so I haven't found "her". This would have been in 2017. And it wasn’t for very long because not really being myself got pretty old pretty quick. Plus the paranoia about Dee faded away. My daughter was speaking to me by then, too.


I’m doing great now, comparatively. No more morphine or baclofen, and I’m down to low doses of hydrocodone. I graduated from a walker to a cane, and then nothin' but my feet. I was daddy to Collin for 2 ½ years, and I’m still in his life. I can run pretty well, just not for very long, went hiking and biking recently, and haven’t needed any help around the house for a long while.

And the icing on the cake; I met a very, very nice lady – in person!
 
WoW!! What a story... that's incredible, what a terrible situation to have been in ... lemme ask you tho', what makes you sure Dee, won't find you here now ? :oops::eek:...we'll protect you if she does tho' don't worry...;)
It's been like 5 years since she's found me anywhere. Hopefully she met someone or worked things out with her husband or whatever. Plus, there's not much she can do to me now. Well, there's the pictures and that, but that's nothing now that things are good with me and my daughter and the rest of my family, and I'm retired so no worries there. No sense living in fear at this point.

Plus, you guys have my back, so it's all good. :)
 
Ok so I got a call from CPS in the county where Tara and the kids live (with their dad). She started out saying "We're calling to ask if you have any concerns before we close this case." Well, Tara told me months ago that they already closed the case. And she stopped going to couples counseling and family counseling and taking Collin to speech therapy, so I believe Tara. But whatever, I told the CPS worker "Yes, I have concerns" and I told her what they were, including that both parents are drinking again. She asked me if I saw that with my own eyes, and I said yes, and I told her they drove home afterward with kids in the car, and it's about a 50 mile drive.

When I told her what Collin said, the CPS lady said "Well, he's a little kid. They say things that aren't necessarily true." Way to advocate, lady! He's not even 3 yet. He doesn't know how to lie yet. He's learning, though...from his mother.

Anyway I told her all my concerns. The rest is up to them. I'm not expecting much; the bar is set pretty low.
So, about that ^

CPS paid a visit to Tara. No action taken. But Tara said I'm not allowed to see Collin anymore. 😞
 
Oh nooo....1/2 expected by you I suspect... but that's just beyond heartbreaking for you... now you're left with imagining what's happing to that little boy!!

I'm so sorry Murr ...:(
Yeah, I gave it a 50/50 chance of going bad.

I will worry about him, and wonder.

Hope the father does the right thing but I doubt he'll act quickly. Tara is extremely manipulative and he's not very bright. He's a good pretty guy, though.

Yep, this is f*cked up.
 
Yeah, I gave it a 50/50 chance of going bad.

I will worry about him, and wonder.

Hope the father does the right thing but I doubt he'll act quickly. Tara is extremely manipulative and he's not very bright. He's a good pretty guy, though.

Yep, this is f*cked up.
Do you ever want to drive by their house and see how things are going, from the outside?
I'd be so tempted to do that.

Outside looking in.....
 
So you weren’t an anonymous source?
CPS worker called me last week and I answered questions like "have you seen them drink with your own eyes". I told her Collin's parents shared a 12pk of beer after my mom's funeral, then drove the kids home. My answers plus details I gave my doctor (who initially called CPS) told Tara where the info came from.

But honestly, I wouldn't put it past CPS to tell her who it came from anyway.
 
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Do you ever want to drive by their house and see how things are going, from the outside?
I'd be so tempted to do that.

Outside looking in.....
They live in a tiny remote village about an hour and a half away at the end of a long dirt road. You can't drive by, and they'd see me coming if I drove down close enough to see anything. There'd be a scene that Collin doesn't need to see and hear.
 


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