Nov. 1 from frontline heroes to unemployed.

chic said:
why fire doctors, nurses and medical personnel now?
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The logic is they are exposed to a lot of people who at risk for Covid complications. These are the first people the voluntary vaccination was made available to.
chic said:
I don't understand this move from a scientific perspective
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Many scientists and doctors believe this will reduce the risk to patients and others cared for by these people. I have not been able to find any good epidemiological data one way or the other. However there does seem to be epidemiological data that shows healthcare providers who get flu shots are less likely to infect their patients with flu. And some places require flu shots for these people, but not a lot. The idea is that if it works for flu it may well work for Covid.

I suspect there may also be a legal/liability concern. Lots of lawsuits against doctors, hospitals, and healthcare providers. I have not seen anyone say it, but I am thinking some of the hospital administrators and company may be worried that if someone could blame them for getting Covid if they don't require employees to get vaccinated. Could be wrong on this, but I know fear of litigation has lead to some pretty convoluted thinking...
chic said:
It feels like a control issue, not a health issue
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Yeah, I understand that feeling, I don't like government mandates either. I am not sure on this one though.
 

Don M. said:
5 times as many police officers have died from Covid, than the number killed by gunfire, since this pandemic hit. Given the types of individuals these officers have to deal with, I would think that the police would be quite willing to be vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html

Between this vaccine "resistance", and a growing number of police resigning, or calling in "sick", I'm sure the criminals are cheering.
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Some may have religious reasons for refusing to be vaccinated and that should be a valid exemption for them don't you think?
 
chic said:
Some may have religious reasons for refusing to be vaccinated and that should be a valid exemption for them don't you think?
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I've heard that "religious reasons" are a valid reason for people to Not get vaccinated. What kind of reasons are included? Is there something in the Bible about vaccinations? Is there a particular religion that discourages vaccinations? I can probably count the number of times I've been to a church in the past 50 years on the fingers of one hand, so I can't understand the correlation between religion and vaccines.

Enlighten me???
 

Don M. said:
I've heard that "religious reasons" are a valid reason for people to Not get vaccinated.
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I think there are religions that do not believe in a lot of modern medicine, like Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses. I suppose the vaccine might not be acceptable to these people.

The courts have not supported objections of this kind for healthcare workers who refuse the flu vaccine. See: https://ogletree.com/insights/let-the-masking-debate-continue-but-maybe-not-in-our-hospitals/ The woman who refused the vaccination and wearing a mask was fired and the courts upheld the firing.
 
chic said:
Some may have religious reasons for refusing to be vaccinated and that should be a valid exemption for them don't you think?
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NO!! religious or not you are able to transmit disease like anyone else.
Catholics and Christians have no excuse - the Pope and the Bishops said so!!
Muslims have no excuse: the Imams said so!
All other religious are rolling up their sleeves!
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Shero said:
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NO!! religious or not you are able to transmit disease like anyone else.
Catholics and Christians have no excuse - the Pope and the Bishops said so!!
Muslims have no excuse: the Imams said so!
All other religious are rolling up their sleeves!
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Studies have shown that people who can write a little French are immune.
 
chic said:
In some U. S. cities, specifically L.A. Nov. 1 was the deadline for medical workers in to get vaxxed or get fired. This makes no sense to me at all. If this pandemic is as dangerous as we are led to believe, why fire doctors, nurses and medical personnel now? Why can't they just continue as they did before there was a vaccine? I don't understand this move from a scientific perspective. It feels like a control issue, not a health issue which is what it should be.
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Yeah, it's to protect both the workers and the patients. It is a health issue, and only a health issue.
 
@chic I should have said it is a public health issue, and only a public health issue.

I am still furious that the biggest medical center in my state does not require their workers to be vaccinated. If they ever do, I have been assured by the powers that be, they will allow the religious exemptions. I am furious about that, too, because that policy would still put patients in harm's way.

"While vaccines are extremely safe and effective, no medical product is 100 percent safe or effective. Vaccines have been proven, over decades, to be one of the safest and most powerful disease prevention tools available."
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-...iologics/vaccine-safety-questions-and-answers

The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday decided it would not step in to block a COVID-19 vaccine requirement for health care workers in Maine, which does not offer religious exemptions.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-rejects-religious-exemptions-for-vaccine-mandates-in-6-3-maine-ruling/ar-AAQ6ZfL
 
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It's not only "Frontline" workers. Now, Aaron Rodgers, the Green Bay Packers QB, has been sidelined, after testing Positive. He has claimed to be "immunized". The NFL has strict guidelines for its players....understandably so....but Rodgers must think he is "exempt".

However, that may be good news....locally, as the Chiefs are scheduled to play GB this coming weekend. Maybe Rodgers absence will give the Chiefs a much needed advantage.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aaron-rodgers-covid-19-packers-qb-out-sunday/
 
WheatenLover said:
@chic I should have said it is a public health issue, and only a public health issue.

I am still furious that the biggest medical center in my state does not require their workers to be vaccinated. If they ever do, I have been assured by the powers that be, they will allow the religious exemptions. I am furious about that, too, because that policy would still put patients in harm's way.

"While vaccines are extremely safe and effective, no medical product is 100 percent safe or effective. Vaccines have been proven, over decades, to be one of the safest and most powerful disease prevention tools available."
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-...iologics/vaccine-safety-questions-and-answers

The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday decided it would not step in to block a COVID-19 vaccine requirement for health care workers in Maine, which does not offer religious exemptions.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-rejects-religious-exemptions-for-vaccine-mandates-in-6-3-maine-ruling/ar-AAQ6ZfL
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Medical workers should be required to take a vaccine during this coronavirus pandemic, can't believe they are not doing so. The only exemption should be for medical reasons verified by a doctor, not religious or anything else.
 
chic said:
In some U. S. cities, specifically L.A. Nov. 1 was the deadline for medical workers in to get vaxxed or get fired. This makes no sense to me at all. If this pandemic is as dangerous as we are led to believe, why fire doctors, nurses and medical personnel now? Why can't they just continue as they did before there was a vaccine? I don't understand this move from a scientific perspective. It feels like a control issue, not a health issue which is what it should be.
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We keep being told to "listen to the science". Well the latest studies show that vaccinations to not reduce transmission. (They only reduce hospitalization and death) Therefore, the non-vaccinated are only endangering themselves. Why, then, would we compel people to get vaccinated? Personally, I have two and will will probably have boosters. However, there are legitimate concerns and dangers, which are not accurately being documented. Therefore, I cannot blame a someone (particularly a medical professional) who has examined the risks and decided against.
 
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Your overly dramatic photos are not appropriate for this serious topic Chic. They only represent your overblown and irrational paranoia on this subject. You're a smart lady, you should really do some research at reputable sources like the CDC and get over your exaggerated fear of a vaccine that saves lives and is approved and recommended for this deadly virus.
 
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Daytona Al said:
We keep being told to "listen to the science". Well the latest studies show that vaccinations to not reduce transmission. (They only reduce hospitalization and death) Therefore, the non-vaccinated are only endangering themselves. Why, then, would we compel people to get vaccinated? Personally, I have two and will will probably have boosters. However, there are legitimate concerns and dangers, which are not accurately being documented. Therefore, I cannot blame a someone (particularly a medical professional) who has examined the risks and decided against.
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Which latest studies??? Please produce the necessary links to support your ridiculous assumption.
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