Now there is a strategy! Isis will be crushed, even in Syria!

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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With NATO on board and some Arab nations, it is just a matter of time before we organize a mighty force and destroy them like we did Nazi Germany. I am behind whatever it takes, even boots on the ground, and I know that you are too...
 

Our Foreign Minister says, because ISIL is an ideology, it can't be wiped out by military action but it can be weakened.
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has warned that destroying the marauding Islamic State group entirely will be "impossible" and that it may become a long-term threat similar to al-Qaeda. Reflecting the immense difficulties facing the West as it wrestles with how to stop the militant group creating terror in the Middle East, Ms Bishop said the Islamic State (also known as ISIL) is an ideology as well as a military force and will therefore survive efforts to stamp it out.
She was speaking after the United States sought to quell lingering uncertainties about its goals and strategy for Iraq and Syria by announcing at a Nato summit the establishment of a 10-country "core coalition" – including Australia – to tackle the Islamic State.

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Asked whether that coalition's goal was to destroy the group, Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media on Sunday: "I think that's impossible … Have we destroyed al-Qaeda?" She said the group had "the potential" to become like al-Qaeda, which has haunted the West for a decade and a half and spawned many offshoots, including the Islamic State itself. The coalition's initial goal, Ms Bishop said, was "to stop its spread beyond Syria and Iraq and to prevent it carrying out mass killings and potential genocide".

The military effort – which could include RAAF help with air strikes – would then "work very hard at pushing [the Islamic State] back from the territory it has taken", while cutting off its flow of money and foreign fighters, Ms Bishop said.
US President Barack Obama, after copping criticism for saying Washington did not have a strategy for Iraq and Syria, has since adopted a more assertive stance, insisting the goal was to "degrade and destroy" the Islamic State.

Ms Bishop's US counterpart, Secretary of State John Kerry, said on Friday there was "no containment policy for ISIL", adding that "leaving them in some capacity intact anywhere would leave a cancer in place that will ultimately come back to haunt us". Ms Bishop said Mr Obama was "absolutely correct" to talk of destroying the Islamic State's military activities on the ground, but added: "What I'm saying is we have to be wary of claiming to be able to eliminate ISIL, because you're talking about an ideology."

She said other countries would likely join the coalition against the Islamic State, although not all would make a military contribution. Some would help cut off the group's funding and manpower. The US and its partners were also eager to stop countries that were buying oil from the group, which was a major source of its revenue, she said.
These matters would be addressed at a United Nations meeting later this month.

"It will include targeting ISIL's financial flows, its recruitment activities, and its social media campaigns. So there's a range of options that are being considered to hit ISIL at every level," Ms Bishop said. The coalition's options are limited by the fact that the US has ruled out putting combat boots on the ground. Its options in Syria are also severely limited because of the mutual hostility with the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

Ms Bishop played down the prospect of military action in Syria, saying there were "legal complexities that have to be worked through thoroughly. Finance and fighter flows will be a major part of our response, so that is how the United States sees Syria –in the context of trying to cut off the financing and the foreign fighters … If we can starve ISIL of resources and personnel, that will achieve some of our objectives," she said. The focus is very much on Iraq and pushing back ISIL from the territory it has currently gained and preventing the genocidal activities on the ground."

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There will be no quick fix for this problem.
 
Hang on to your hat! You ain't seen nuttin' yet. Of course it won't be quick, but it will be done, and of course the ideology will remain, even Nazism still exists in the minds of some...
 

True Ralphy, but the German Government has renounced Nazism and so have the vast majority of Germans.

What is needed is for Islamic nations to renounce aggression as a means of establishing a Caliphate.
They must recognise that terrorism, murder and enforced conversion are crimes against humanity and condemn them.

In the meantime, military action to thwart their ambitions is not only desirable, but necessary.
It must be carefully planned and well executed. This is not something to be botched or undertaken lightly.
There can be no backing out halfway through the mission.
 
Although a caliphate may be desirable on the part of many Muslims Arab nations are beginning to see that Isis is not the way to accomplish it, and this time the mission will be truly accomplished...
 
Let's hope so.
I really don't want to see the gains of The Enlightenment washed away in bloody conquest.

Mind you, it would help if western powers and global trade/commerce weren't so unfair to the poorer nations.
Some changes needed here also.
 
Surely the world will be made safe for democracy once again at the end of the day and at the end of a gun...
 
Quite right, at the end of a Hellfire missile from one of our drones and under the boot of one of our allies...
 
This is an enemy that will never be defeated...and will just resurface in different form. Ralphy I fear you are living in the past
 
No, no, I am definitely looking forward to the future when this scourge is destroyed, especially with your help. BTW, Lisa is very excited about the pending action...
 
remember the biography of Bin Laden? read it again! These people have nothing to lose whereas we in the west....... (I only wish Lisa could be harnessed effectively)
 
Yes, the virgins and all of that, but we have the means to chase them down and kill them, one at a time if necessary... (Lisa can be managed at times but will never be completely controlled.)
 
Boots on the ground and missles and drones won't change a centuries old culture. We've been at war over 10 years with the jihadists. They don't want democracy. They don't know how to live in a democracy. They will make every attempt to take down any democratic government and install their specific brand of fundamentalist Islam.

We will not and can not wipe them off the face of the Earth. They are too plentiful and too well entrenched in democratic societies. Hundreds of thousands of innocents would be killed if we think we can go into Europe, Russia, China, South America, and the U.S. and wipe out every Muslim who wants to do us harm. This is an entirely different playing field that Nazi Germany or Communist USSR.

The first thing that MUST happen is a significant segment of the Arab/Muslim world begin condemning the radicals and assisting with "pest control". Then, we need to empower more agencies like NSA to monitor communication between the radicals. (I do NOT feel this infringes on my personal liberty. If I am doing nothing wrong, I don't care who listens in to my phone conversations!) Lastly, we need quick and certain punishment for those committing acts of terrorism. They may talk big about being martyrs and the umpteen virgins. If the penalty is a quick death and they know that, most will think twice.
 
As you may have read, 30 young Muslim youths who went over from the UK to join in the rebels fight against Assad, are crying that they now want to return home because they do not agree with what IS have been doing.
The British population are dead set against them ever being allowed to return. They chose to go there and pick up a gun and kill so stay there they must, we don't want them back. No-one will ever convince me that these 30 men stood at the roadside watching whilst IS continued their murderous march through Iraq murdering, beheading, crucifying, raping and burying alive, those who refused to join their warped religion. Some of the Liberal idiots here talk about a "deradicilisation programme" for them in order for them to return. Lord help us ! we are bringing vipers into the nest.
 
The first thing that MUST happen is a significant segment of the Arab/Muslim world begin condemning the radicals and assisting with "pest control".
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Absolutely correct. This is why the State Department's initiative is very important. It's about winning hearts and minds because killing bodies only stiffens resolve and increases the ardour of people who identify with those who are being killed.

I ask you, how many of us want to become muslim because they behead our people ? On the contrary, we want to see them destroyed. Muslims feel the same way when their families are killed in their beds with missiles and drones.
 
We have to kill them to save them. Remember when you heard something like that before?
 
Certainly not, but men can become brutish in war. Do you remember soldiers collecting the ears of the Viet Cong?
 
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