Obama authorizes updating our nukes!

Ralphy1

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It seems that they are outdated, so with the Russian bear showing claws again along with threats from other nations and terrorist groups, it is wise not to fall behind. Also, it provides work for a lot people. Is Obama the new Dr. Strangelove? I'll let you decide...
 

Yup, and a lot of those who love Obama now detest some of his policies...
 

I love our President for being thoughtful and for his taking our hand while walking us back into war. But a different war, less boots more strategic air strikes.
We cannot have crazy people beheading people..... It is vulgar.

Nukes .. Dust them off and give them a facelift. ;-)
 
Ms Sam said:
I love our President for being thoughtful and for his taking our hand while walking us back into war. But a different war, less boots more strategic air strikes.
We cannot have crazy people beheading people..... It is vulgar.

Nukes .. Dust them off and give them a facelift. ;-)
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What I dislike about my fellow progressives is they take their ideology as carved in stone... Exactly like the Conservatives.. And we admonish the Conservatives for it. What they don't see is that the world is fluid. Things change. We, fortunately elected a man that could change with it as circumstances demand. He isn't making any rash moves.. and to the annoyance of the Hawks and Neocons... didn't react immediately, but strategized and built a coalition. He had no choice.. unfortunately, but to counter this new and horrendous threat.

As for the Nukes.. WHO believed even 5 years ago that a Putin would surface and want to re-ignite the cold war. What should our response be? Sit back and let him rattle his sabre, re-establish the Soviet Union.. and face him with outdated and perhaps malfuntioning weapons?

The Progressives who detest his policies need to stand back for a moment and imagine the world if we were NOT able to defend ourselves.. or if we were to let any despot or terror group have their way.
 
Ralphy1 said:
It seems that they are outdated, so with the Russian bear showing claws again along with threats from other nations and terrorist groups, it is wise not to fall behind. Also, it provides work for a lot people. Is Obama the new Dr. Strangelove? I'll let you decide...
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What, no mention of 'American claws'? As I noted in another thread here, since WWII, 201 out of 248 conflicts have seen military operations being launched by the US. By comparison, Russia has been involved in about 19. Unfortunately I can't find any record of which ones Russia started or was only involved in as a result of someone else starting it/them, but really the comparison is stark in it's implications. 201 compared to 19. Who has claws? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

What's more this link: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/90-deaths-war-civilians.html also points to the US accounting for 41% of the worlds total military budget while Russia accounts for 4.1%. So who exactly is 'falling behind'?
 
Yes.. debby... US = Bad.. I get your etiology, In the short time I've read your posts.. I get the picture.. However, lest you forget.. the US pulled many countries butts out of the fire.. Particularly one little island Kingdom BEGGING for the big bad powerful USA to come help.. umm.. somewhere around 1945 or so.. if memory serves me well.. Had we not.. not sure how Canada would have been affected today.. but.. hey.. Sprechen ze Deutsch?
 
RE:We cannot have crazy people beheading people..... It is vulgar.

I can assume this beheading has been going for hundreds of years on all parts of the globe and nobody complained.

Leaving it to the media and Facebook to glorify it today.There are quite a few out there that will pay or do anything to see the video of a actual beheading.
I suppose if they cut out the heart nobody would give a damn.
 
QuickSilver said:
.......WHO believed even 5 years ago that a Putin would surface and want to re-ignite the cold war. .......
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http://www.thenation.com/article/179579/cold-war-against-russia-without-debate


"Future historians will note that in April 2014, nearly a quarter-century after the end of the Soviet Union, the White House declared a new Cold War on Russia—and that, in a grave failure of representative democracy, there was scarcely a public word of debate, much less opposition, from the American political or media establishment....."

It should be noted that the woman who co-wrote the article that begins as above, has stellar credentials in the fields of journalism and politics and has written a book on the subjects as well as editing one. The guy is a professor at both NYU and Princeton and he's written a couple of books on politics. They see it apparently, a little differently than you and many others.


Note: Just to add that the article is well written, very easy to read and lays out the progression of events in pretty much the way that I've come to believe.
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes.. debby... US = Bad.. I get your etiology, In the short time I've read your posts.. I get the picture.. However, lest you forget.. the US pulled many countries butts out of the fire.. Particularly one little island Kingdom BEGGING for the big bad powerful USA to come help.. umm.. somewhere around 1945 or so.. if memory serves me well.. Had we not.. not sure how Canada would have been affected today.. but.. hey.. Sprechen ze Deutsch?
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And I'll happily give credit where credit is due Quicksilver. Like I've long said that if I ever got in trouble in a foreign country, I'd rather be an American citizen because your government seems to work for it's citizens in that scenario, whereas mine seems to make excuses for its inactivity.

But those good acts aren't going to pull the worlds butt out of the fire because the bad acts are escalating. I already gave you a link to look at (Cold War Against Russia - Without Debate) and there are a great many people much smarter than I and who move in the realm of politics and politicians and such, and they are seriously worried. And they also point to direct causation by the US.

As to the rest of what you said, what little island kingdom? Are you talking about Britain? Because from what I understand, until Japan attacked the US in the Pacific in 1941, the US's only aid to Britain was only in the form of agricultural products and weapons and machinery because Britains industry couldn't produce what was needed as a result of being in the war which Britain entered in 1939. The US's arrival on European soil was apparently in 1942 and according to one site I looked at, that came about because Hitler had declared war on the US in 1941 and not as a result of Britain 'begging' for help. If I'm wrong on that, I'll be happy to make that adjustment.

Canada lost about 45,000 soldiers out of a population of 11 million and the US lost 407,000 out of a pop. of 131 million. We did our share.
 
I agree with you in that we should have stayed out of Europe in WWII.. It wasn't our problem.. Now Japan actually attacked us in Pearl Harbor. That was an act of war against the US.. and justified the declaration.

I believe we entered Europe in June of 1944 with the invasion of Normandy. I find it hard to believe that Hitler declared war on us in 1941 and we waited until 1944 to enter Europe.

I wasn't aware that Hitler declared war on the US.. never heard that.. could be wrong.. just never heard that he had.
 
Just found out that Hitler DID declare war on the US in 1941 after Pearl Harbor because we declared war on Japan.. who was Germany's ally. Guess even Hitler recognized that allies are important.. Anyway.. we didn't get around to kicking his Heinie until 1944.. We should have left him alone and not lost all those men.
 
So, Quicksilver, to sum up; US shouldn't have come to Europe at all, in WW2, and now you wonder why we haven't rushed to help in Iraq; although' we have had special forces there for a while; intelligence; aid flights...and the rest.

Every time we have rushed in recently; it has ended up worse than previously...
 
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So, Quicksilver, to sum up; US shouldn't have come to Europe at all, in WW2, and now you wonder why we haven't rushed to help in Iraq; although' we have had special forces there for a while; intelligence; aid flights...and the rest.

Every time we have rushed in recently; it has ended up worse than previously...
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Then perhaps Britain should stay out of it..
 
I'm seeing a lot of quibbling over the past going on here. The past is dead but it still haunts the present.
We need to heed the lessons of the past, but it is the present that we must deal with.
Or at least, it is what our leaders must deal with.

Heaven help them in that task because neither they, nor we, even with the lessons of the past in mind, can foretell the future.
 
QuickSilver said:
I agree with you in that we should have stayed out of Europe in WWII.. It wasn't our problem.. Now Japan actually attacked us in Pearl Harbor. That was an act of war against the US.. and justified the declaration.

I believe we entered Europe in June of 1944 with the invasion of Normandy. I find it hard to believe that Hitler declared war on us in 1941 and we waited until 1944 to enter Europe.

I wasn't aware that Hitler declared war on the US.. never heard that.. could be wrong.. just never heard that he had.
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Hitler declared war on the US in 1941 and I've read that the US arrived in 1942 in the UK. Prior to that, Japan had attacked the US in 1941 at Pearl Harbour.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
I'm seeing a lot of quibbling over the past going on here. The past is dead but it still haunts the present.
We need to heed the lessons of the past, but it is the present that we must deal with.
Or at least, it is what our leaders must deal with.

Heaven help them in that task because neither they, nor we, even with the lessons of the past in mind, can foretell the future.
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The past has a multitude of lessons to teach that would aid in dealing with the present. The problem is that when you bring information to the people, they refuse to look at it because doing so might necessitate an adjustment in understanding. And human beings are ever reluctant to change. Too often that only happens when they are forced. And an abdication of our responsibilities as voters and citizens by laying it gratefully at the feet of our 'leaders (who) must deal with it' only allows them to go on and on, playing their games with our lives and our children's futures.

I came across this article by a professor at Princeton and NYU. Everyone needs to read this article and find out exactly who is 'running things in Ukraine'. Those people that the American administration has chosen to support, in your names, are simply evil. The first link is to the terrific article and the second is to a Youtube video of the 'rebels' that the US supported as they are burning down the Trade Union House in Odessa in May. Forty six people were burned alive and any who tried to escape the building were cut down and mutilated by the crowd. In the video, you will see women filling bottles with gas and rags and the explosions of fire at the windows of the building. Fortunately for us, no visible burning people, etc., just the mob throwing molotov cocktails and shooting at the building. These are the people who took over Ukraine's government and who are 'running' things now.

http://www.thenation.com/article/180466/silence-american-hawks-about-kievs-atrocities


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKpJ1-ECpPg

And Dame Warrigal, if things continue as they are, World War 3 could very well be on its way. And it wasn't Russia that started all of this.
 
And Dame Warrigal, if things continue as they are, World War 3 could very well be on its way. And it wasn't Russia that started all of this.
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I have similar misgivings and I agree that wars begin long before the declarations of war are issued.
 
Even the Bible promises that.. war and rumor of war..

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

So it's ok..
 
You REALLY REALLY love anything you can find to put America in a bad light.... Don't you ..lol!!!

No... It hasn't changed a thing for me... the USA did not commit any atrocities... IF.. and I mean IF it's true.. that's bad.. but doesn't mean the US condoned anything. What's your point anyway? Just to bitch about the US? You are sounding like a one hit wonder.

So I need to ask, not to be snarky.. but out of curiousity.. Are you a Communist? If so that would explain your sympathetic feelings toward Putin, and would be more comprehensible to me.. If not then I have to assume you are just anti-American.. not unlike many citizens of the Crown.
 

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