Obama is going to destroy ivory next, some are valuable antiques !

nwlady, I wasn't offended in the least by anything you said. My comment was in reply to Shirley's about where all the members have gone from this 2013 thread. Oh, and yes, I knew it was from 2013 and deemed it relevant to today when I posted my comment.
 

Lara said:
Regarding "Old Topic": I had typed something else in the search box and this thread came up. I knew it was from 2013 but thought it was appropriate to compare Obama's hushed act of violent protest (which did take place…see post 19) to Trump's treatment by the media over trivia…like world coverage regarding his comb-over. Will that hair-thing EVER get old? sheesh. TV time is expensive and our time is precious.

The public deserves to be intelligently informed on serious issues, like destroying artifacts! Is Obama above of our laws regarding peaceful protesting?

Shirley, I too wonder where all the members have gone on this site. Bullied off by 24/7 insults in political threads? Or are the conservatives just not so loud? Or both?

Are we not allowed to bump an old topic? If so, why is it in the search box? If one feels they have nothing to add then can't they just scroll past it? And who says 2013 is old? Where is the cut off point? It relates to today as I put in my post.

The thread was started by Happyflowerlady and she is still a very active member here. I appreciated that she was being this topic to our attention.
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I didn't know of this until this old thread popped up but upon reflection I do see some wisdom in it. Largely symbolic but it would not only remove this precious material from the market, it would have dramatically showed the world that we do care what happens to these beautiful creatures which die to please some art enthusiasts desire for a knickknack.
 
AZ Jim said:
Largely symbolic but it would not only remove this precious material from the market, it would have dramatically showed the world that we do care what happens to these beautiful creatures which die to please some art enthusiasts desire for a knickknack.
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I agree, this has to do with wild elephant conservation and saving them (and other animals) from death just so people can sell their tusks for profit.

In recent years, as many as 22,000 elephants—possibly more—have been killed annually for their ivory to supply the illicit ivory trade.
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I think we're all against the ivory trade and there must be a good reason to destroy the stockpiles, someone out there wants it and will pay lots of money for it. Who are the ivory customers I do not know, if we could identify and eliminate the market it would be a big feat. Objects made of ivory are not art in my view any more than fur coats or relics made out of human body parts.

I do have some items that I think is ivory as well, an antique bracelet and some beads that I would never wear and I don't know why I bother to keep.

As far as this being an old thread, I have seen people move on since being here, probably normal on forums, and I've noticed most posts are quite tame lately.
 
Shirley said:
Did he actually go through with destroying works of art? Shalimar, I have to disagree with you here. Destroying art won't bring back the dead elephants. I don't condone further killing of elephants or any endangered animal. However, destroying art reminds me of the Taliban who destroyed the Buddha statues. I nearly cried when I saw that.
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Yes, Obama did follow through with the destruction in November of 2013 and again this past spring 2015 (post 19). I agree with you, Shirley. I wanted to cry too when I saw those Buddha statues destroyed. I just watched something on PBS where there are two high tech experts recreating those artifacts but it will never be the same. Sad.
 
Lara said:
Yes, Obama did follow through with the destruction in November of 2013 and again this past spring 2015 (post 19). I agree with you, Shirley. I wanted to cry too when I saw those Buddha statues destroyed. I just watched something on PBS where there are two high tech experts recreating those artifacts but it will never be the same. Sad.
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Priorities!! What I think is sad is the destruction of beautiful animals just to satisfy the selfish desires of a few who want a trophy on the top of the TV!!!!!!!!
 
Cookie said:
I think we're all against the ivory trade and there must be a good reason to destroy the stockpiles, someone out there wants it and will pay lots of money for it. Who are the ivory customers I do not know, if we could identify and eliminate the market it would be a big feat. Objects made of ivory are not art in my view any more than fur coats or relics made out of human body parts.

I do have some items that I think is ivory as well, an antique bracelet and some beads that I would never wear and I don't know why I bother to keep.

As far as this being an old thread, I have seen people move on since being here, probably normal on forums, and I've noticed most posts are quite tame lately.
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I totally agree with this post, especially, " ivory not being art".

We should all be more concerned about how to save the elephant.
 
I love art too. But is there any reason that these configurations of expression cannot be fashioned from Clay or some NON-PRECIOUS material? Would they not be just as beautiful as the Ivory creations? If not can someone explain why?
 
AZ Jim said:
Priorities!! What I think is sad is the destruction of beautiful animals just to satisfy the selfish desires of a few who want a trophy on the top of the TV!!!!!!!!
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Way to heavy for a TV. Most trophy hunters are to busy to watch tv. If you want to stop it but a bounty on the poachers as the post is about that and not trophy hunters
 
rt3 said:
Way to heavy for a TV. Most trophy hunters are to busy to watch tv. If you want to stop it but a bounty on the poachers as the post is about that and not trophy hunters
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This is not about "trophy" hunters. It is about those who purchase art pieces made of elephant Ivory. Trophy hunters is an entirely different subject. I used the term in my post to identify the people who buy the art pieces made from this illegal material.
 
Is anyone saying that these creations are not art? I am positively not advocating the killing of more elephants. I think anyone caught killing them or in anyway connected to their death should be put in jail for a long, long time. But it just seems like a shame to destroy artwork that is already created. Maybe confiscate them, put them in a museum, charge admission, take the money to stop the killing and help increase their habitat.
 

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There is no question about the talent reflected in these art pieces. They're possession or display helps create the urge to own. It only serves to add to the problem rather than snuff it out. My question remains, why can't the same art be made of a material that doesn't require killing a elephant to obtain?
 
I'm not an expert on ivory but I believe that it has a lustrous quality that is impossible to replicate in any other medium. That doesn't justify the killing of more elephants but why destroy that which we already have? All that money could be used to help us poor folks.
 
It's a politician song and dance. These type of trade ceilings and floor only raise the prices. Take the save the whales people they went out and got some boats and did something. Oh well time for another glass of whine.
 
Shirley said:
I'm not an expert on ivory but I believe that it has a lustrous quality that is impossible to replicate in any other medium. That doesn't justify the killing of more elephants but why destroy that which we already have? All that money could be used to help us poor folks.
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Shirley, if it was kept, someone would want it and be willing to pay for it, or steal it, even if it was in a museum. That is the problem with humans, once it is deemed a museum piece and valuable, greedy people want it and then want more and more and more and then the elephant are in extreme danger. It's best to dispose of it all so that it doesn't become a commodity. It is tainted by the cruelty to elephants.
 
AZ Jim said:
There is no question about the talent reflected in these art pieces. They're possession or display helps create the urge to own. It only serves to add to the problem rather than snuff it out. My question remains, why can't the same art be made of a material that doesn't require killing a elephant to obtain?
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Elk molars (teeth) are too small.
 
Davey Jones said:
Does burning the ivory tusks save the elephant?
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No it doesn't. Obama burned a lot of ivory in 2013 and it did nothing so they did it again in the spring….nothing.

Happyflowerlady said:
This article references the first crushing , which did indeed take place in November of 2013, and also talks about another one that they just did this spring.
Obviously, the first destruction of ivory didn't change anything; and so now they are destroying more priceless antiques.

Why don't they just crack down on the illegal elephant hunters, instead of destroying ivory that does <<<nothing>>> to save any elephant from being killed ?

It seems to me that if they sold these valuable carvings to the people who want to collect old ivory, it would be selling ivory that no new elephant had to die for, and the money from the sales could be then used to increase security to help stop poachers. So, it would serve two purposes at once, where this seems to serve no purpose​
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The solution is to devalue ivory to where no one has any need for it since they can't make money off it.
Burning the valuable artifacts is only going to increase it's rarity and desire to replace it and thus increase it's $Worth$ ​

I think Shirley had a great idea too...to put them in a museum and collect donations to patrol and keep the elephants safe.
 
"That's like saying all of the great master's paintings must be burned and no more art may be created because someone might steal it."

I guess I don't see the relationship here.
 

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