Omicron has changed the shape of the pandemic. Will it end it for good?

Pretending that the omicron variant is mild doesn't make it so.
Thanks, those are interesting links. I think the first kind of shows that although there has been a significant uptick in Covid infections there is not a matching uptick in deaths. Suggesting Omicron is not as likely to kill, but there are still deaths, no doubt. It is still early, these conclusions may change as time goes on.

The second one is more worrisome, 10% long term for kids does not sound good... Again we don't really have all the data or answers, but it doesn't look good at this point.
 

Pretending that the omicron variant is mild doesn't make it so.

Yesterday, the U.S. reported 644,814 new confirmed cases and 2,479 deaths.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/cumulative-cases

Couldn't find in your link anything distinguishing what numbers are Delta (which is still hanging around) and which numbers are the milder (according to scientists) Omnicron.

Didn't see a breakdown of variants in the story about children either.

Those links are more suited to a general Covid thread than an Omnicron variant specific thread.

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I don't usually like either CNN or the mainstream media on Covid issues, but this is an interesting and I think both well thought out and balanced article. Says a lot of the things we have been saying here, but more completely.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/22/world/omicron-changed-pandemic-intl-cmd/index.html

Excellent article. In this piece alone, there are public health officials from England, Scotland, Spain who believe that after Omnicron wanes, we'll move from pandemic to endemic. The top Swiss health official voiced the same a couple of weeks ago.
 
Nobody knows the properties of whatever variant will pop up next. It might be more severe than Omicron, it might be less. Might be more contagious, might be less. Might be dramatically mitigated by previous infections and/or vaccinations, might not.

Late last spring we were celebrating the dip in cases and deaths. Then Delta showed up.

I'm cautiously optimistic, but agree with @suds00. We'll all have to wait and see what happens.
 
The OP asked will the Omnicron variant end the pandemic for good ...that means downgrading eventually to endemic. All pandemics in the history of the world have ended and Covid-19 won't be an exception.

Here's an article with good descriptions of the different terms applied to disease prevalence. The last statement by Schaffner describes how influenza has existed in a mostly endemic state throughout the world for nearly 8,000 years in recorded history. Occasionally an influenza variant will cause epidemics or pandemics, but some years don't even reach the outbreak defination of 'exceeding normal expectations.'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/w...uestions-about-the-future-of-covid/ar-AASZb7A

Excerpt:

(Emphasis mine)

Outbreaks are generally defined as a sudden rise in the number of cases of a disease that exceeds normal expectations.​
An epidemic is essentially “a big outbreak of disease” that is usually limited by time and geography...​
...a pandemic is an epidemic that has spread over a wider geographical area, often worldwide, and is typically caused by a new virus or strain of virus that humans usually have little to no immunity against. In addition to having much higher numbers of infections and deaths than epidemics, pandemics tend to have larger social and economic impacts.​
In the case of the coronavirus, “the end of the pandemic doesn’t mean that the virus is gone,” Schaffner said. “It’s just that it’s in this kind of live-with, smoldering stage [endemic], and we’ll continue to have to cope with it depending upon what the characteristics of that virus are.”​
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Dr. Robert Malone has warned that mass vaccinations can cause the virus to mutate and it could mutate into a more pathogenic strain than we have seen thus far which would be a worst case scenario.
 
Dr. Robert Malone has warned that mass vaccinations can cause the virus to mutate and it could mutate into a more pathogenic strain than we have seen thus far which would be a worst case scenario.
Dr. Malone is embraced by Joe Rogan? Such great examples of wisdom. That's enough proof for me. I will immediately start a cleansing diet of green tea and psyllium husks which will remove the vaccine from my body, ASAP.
 
Dr. Malone is embraced by Joe Rogan? Such great examples of wisdom. That's enough proof for me. I will immediately start a cleansing diet of green tea and psyllium husks which will remove the vaccine from my
There is a lot of guilt by association going around.

I've seen this in other comments about someone. If a person dislikes a doctor or experts known associates therefore that doctor or expert is automatically dismissed.
 
Pretending that the omicron variant is mild doesn't make it so.

Yesterday, the U.S. reported 644,814 new confirmed cases and 2,479 deaths.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/cumulative-cases

The kids are not alright: Data suggests 10% of children with COVID-19 become "long-haulers"
https://www.salon.com/2022/01/22/th...s-10-of-children-with-19-become-long-haulers/
That second link is cumulative cases - all cases combined - and the article specifies "since the 50th case was recorded."

So a total of all cases from all strains since the beginning. In the US there's been a steep drop in the # of daily cases since omicron started taking over Delta several weeks ago. In other countries the numbers dropped earlier because omicron took over earlier. The US is one of omicron's final final destinations on its trip around the globe.

Second link is talking about covid-19, the coronavirus strain that caused the pandemic, and the deadliest of all.

Just want to mention, too; scientists are quickly discovering very effective treatments to stop long-haul covid. Some are being used in trials as I type. If trials go well, approval and production of these treatments will probably be expedited.
 
both sides are dismissing doctors and so-called experts that have an opinion or present facts which they disagree with
I agree, I read articles posted here and make up my mind about what is discussed in them, I don't know half of who they are and even those I do know of if I disagreed with those in the past I still read them, maybe I get a different perspective of what they are saying, maybe not but they all deserve to be considered imo.

Not even bothering to read or listen due to someone's association to someone else is being very closed minded imo.
 
I agree, I read articles posted here and make up my mind about what is discussed in them, I don't know half of who they are and even those I do know of if I disagreed with those in the past I still read them, maybe I get a different perspective of what they are saying, maybe not but they all deserve to be considered imo.

Not even bothering to read or listen due to someone's association to someone else is being very closed minded imo.
Up to a point, I agree. But, the person must also have some creds and be able to back up what they say. We must be able to separate those who contribute, discuss and are willing to engage in back and forth dialogue from those who are just shooting off their mouths or have a hidden agenda. Otherwise the discussion gets overwhelmed by static and nonsense.

IOW, we must each decide whose opinions have credibility and contribute to the discussion and separate them from those who who speak from ignorance or have different agendas. This is not unusual. Anybody who has been on a jury knows that one job of the jurors is to decide which witnesses they can believe and trust. And which ones they won't. It's not always easy.
 

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